The MK transit situation is becoming STUPID!

[Kamikaze]

Just to clarify one thing, in my last line where I wrote 'trolley' I meant tram.

While you are probably right...I just can't imagine Epcot without the monorail gliding through it.

Oh, I'm not saying it will ever happen, but it really doesn't make sense as to why it exists. If it was on the same line as MK and the resorts, that would be fine, but the train switch at TTC makes it unfeasible.

I don't want to see it happen either, but it just really isn't necessary.

Not sure if you can read but I did say "if I had all the money in the world."

I did see that, but having unlimited money is not an excuse to just throw it away needlessly. Your solution is overcomplicated for the problem.

 

[Kamikaze]

I hears that there really aren't slow seasons anymore. Or at least not like there used to be. Is that incorrect?

With 'smart' guests, the seasons blur together more. Whenever you go, you can get to the major attractions almost every day (excluding the regular phase closing days) if you get to the park at opening and hit the major attraction - meaning the ones that get the longest lines - and use Fastpass. Then when it starts getting busy is when you hit the 'average' lines.

 

[unkadug]

Just to clarify one thing, in my last line where I wrote 'trolley' I meant tram.



Oh, I'm not saying it will ever happen, but it really doesn't make sense as to why it exists. If it was on the same line as MK and the resorts, that would be fine, but the train switch at TTC makes it unfeasible.

I don't want to see it happen either, but it just really isn't necessary.



I did see that, but having unlimited money is not an excuse to just throw it away needlessly. Your solution is overcomplicated for the problem.

He did say "in a Sim City world". So it wouldn't be real money...only simulated money.

It's just a little arm chair imagineering. Heck, we've all done that!

 

[Jake Massoni]

I hear this will go on for a couple weeks, the monorails might have some problems, Last time I was at Disney I found myself sitting on the Monorail for about 30 mins tryin to get to the magic kingdom, i'm thinking that the monorails need some repair or updates.

 

[Kamikaze]

I hear this will go on for a couple weeks, the monorails might have some problems, Last time I was at Disney I found myself sitting on the Monorail for about 30 mins tryin to get to the magic kingdom, i'm thinking that the monorails need some repair or updates.

See: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=770131

He did say "in a Sim City world". So it wouldn't be real money...only simulated money.

It's just a little arm chair imagineering. Heck, we've all done that!

Fair enough. Just seems to me his solution to finding a termite mound was to bulldoze his house.

 

[wedenterprises]

I did see that, but having unlimited money is not an excuse to just throw it away needlessly. Your solution is overcomplicated for the problem.

The TTC doesn't serve it's initial purpose anymore. Buses don't go there anymore and I don't think you can buy tickets there either(?). It's become the MK parking lot hub, so I say just streamline that and bring it IN to the parking lot as a real hub. It actually makes sense.

This would eliminate the tram service and plunk you straight from the MK to within walking distance of your car. People in this thread have complained about wait times at the ferry and wait times at the TTC tram. So yes, this is a solution.

With this plan you would go from MK to within walking distance of your car without the waiting, without any stops in between. You could do it by monorail, ferry or people mover, so it would add a third transit option, making the other two less busy.

The current system is actually more complicated because of the tram, and the distance from the monorail/ferry to your car.

 

[zulemara]

The TTC doesn't serve it's initial purpose anymore. Buses don't go there anymore and I don't think you can buy tickets there either(?). It's become the MK parking lot hub, so I say just streamline that and bring it IN to the parking lot as a real hub. It actually makes sense.

This would eliminate the tram service and plunk you straight from the MK to within walking distance of your car. People in this thread have complained about wait times at the ferry and wait times at the TTC tram. So yes, this is a solution.

With this plan you would go from MK to within walking distance of your car without the waiting, without any stops in between. You could do it by monorail, ferry or people mover, so it would add a third transit option, making the other two less busy.

The current system is actually more complicated because of the tram, and the distance from the monorail/ferry to your car.

you can buy tickets at TTC

People complaining about wait time for Ferries is just stupid and unjustified. Unless there is only 1 running, which is only the middle of the day in sept, oct or jan, feb, there's always going to be another ferry within 10 minutes, 15 tops. It only takes 5 minutes of actual travel time across the lake. People wait 90 minutes for Space mountain but complain about the transportation system(buses, rails, and watercraft) that moves 34 million people in and out of MK in a year.


Also to clarify my previous comment, I refer simple to peak and non peak, but I don't call it the "slow" season anymore. There are times when it's significantly less crowded, but those times seem to be dwindling. That said, I still hit all 4 parks, every E-Tricket except Soarin, and fantasmic in 13 hours last year on a Tuesday in September, and we took about a 1-1.5hr lunch at mcdonalds to cool down during it all.

I came the week of xmas/new years in 2007 and didn't have a problem with crowds at all. It's all about knowing how to avoid them and with the internet, there are plenty of tips to help out.

 

[Florida]

Did you yell at or express displeasure to the 1 Cast Member checking trams, doing his/her job? What if it was beyond his or her control, maybe that area had a large amount of call-ins? Sometimes I see rude Cast Members, and I can't help but think that some guest somewhere made them that way.

tbh I felt sorry for her .....She repeated "Children in the middle" about 3 times and some people just don't understand what the middle means !

 

[musketeer]

Post MSEP tonight --
Time to fill in the moat and move the parking lot?

Yes..YES...OH MY GOD YES!!!!!!!! What an enormous pain. Even if you're a hotel guest, because if you want to park hop, you still have to deal with all that nonsense.

I can take a bus from Epcot directly to Animal Kingdom, or MGM, or any combination of those three. But it's SUCH a pain to deal with leaving or arriving at the Magic Kingdom.

Magical...whatever. There's enough magic throughout the rest of the place.

 

[montyz81]

The TTC doesn't serve it's initial purpose anymore.

No it doesn't, if you look at the TTC from above, you can see it's original design was to be a hub for multiple monorails. Sort of an attempt at Walt's original Epcot. This is how it was explained to me. These routes were suppose to connect different areas of the 40 square miles or to other parks if there were to ever be created. It was going to be the hub point to go to these places. Cost ended up making replacing that idea with a bus system. I believe you can go to any park and DDD from the TTC.

 

[menamechris]

The TTC doesn't serve it's initial purpose anymore. Buses don't go there anymore and I don't think you can buy tickets there either(?). It's become the MK parking lot hub, so I say just streamline that and bring it IN to the parking lot as a real hub. It actually makes sense.

The TTC is where the bus transfer is. And the ticket booths are still there and open.

 

[Jakester]

The TTC still serves its purpose. It still sells Tickets for WDW, and has a Ferry Station, 3Monorail Stations, and 2bus areas (1 for WDW and another for Bus Drop Offs)

 

[Frau Farbissina]

There is a reason that they've *NEVER* built another park with the "opening sequence" of the Magic Kingdom. It was a great, very creative idea. But, it can be a total disaster if anything goes even slightly wrong.

I always wondered why they didn't do this at the other parks. From what I've read, it was supposed to build excitement. Which, I guess, it does. But it can be such a mess at times.

 

[Samoht]

We got on the monorail at 7:15am this morning at the Poly to get to a 7:30 res at Chef Mickeys at the Contemporary. When it left the station it seemed to be not running very smooth. After a long stop at the tta and a very slow ride to MK an announcement came on saying it would be faster to walk to the Contemporary because the monorail was having mechanical difficulties. We walked which isn't so far but it's very hot and humid and we didn't arrive at CM's until almost 8. It really screwed up our whole day since the plan was to be at DHS at opening which was impossible by the time breakfast was done. In the end the lines for ToT and RRC were over an hour and we had to get fastpasses for TSM which is the kids favorite ride. We didn't end up riding either one but still got to ride star tours 5 times which was awesome.We're going back another day so we will get to ride them but the monorail really screwed us up today...

 

[MaryJaneP]

Was express monorail running?

If it was, alternative path would have been walk to TTC, express to MK, walk to Contemporary. Still walking in heat and humidity, but some ride involved.

 

[WDWisAMAZING]

I understand that sometimes the transportation isn't always the greatest, but I absolutely love the buses and monorails. I feel they make the trip to the park more exciting then driving in a car. All you have to do is sit back and relax (unless you're standing......)

 

[nelsonj3]

Exactly. When Wishes ends, head to BTMR, it's usually a 10 minute wait. Then go walk on Splash. Grab a Dole Whip, stroll down Main Street and shop a little, then head to the Monorail/Ferry and head back after having some fun instead of waiting in line. Right after parades/fireworks is the best time to head to the back of the park.

I agree completely! One of my favorite things to do, especially at MK, is to get a few extra rides in while the park empties out. Sometimes, I just find a quiet place to sit and enjoy the ambiance. MK is very peaceful at night after the crowd has cleared out.

Either way, I NEVER leave right after Wishes. We either leave before or a few hours after.

 

[AEfx]

The TTC still serves its purpose. It still sells Tickets for WDW, and has a Ferry Station, 3Monorail Stations, and 2bus areas (1 for WDW and another for Bus Drop Offs)

But not in the capacity it once was.

Almost no one buys tickets at the gate anymore, at most they use the pickup window to pickup prepaid tickets. There are usually only one or two windows open and staffed as opposed to the fleet of them that used to be used.

The bus situation there is a joke. They simply don't service it much anymore. I waited an hour for a bus to AK, and one only came because another family and I went to the only window open to complain and they called someone. I see why - in that hour I sat there, middle of a busy park day, I saw maybe a dozen people waiting on buses during the whole hour.

It's just not used for anything more than the MK parking lot these days, and it reeks of 1992. (Though that can be said for any number of things at WDW these days.)

I'm definitely in the camp that the TTC has outlived it's usefulness, but alas I believe we are stuck with it as there are far bigger fish to fry.

 

[cymbaldiva]

Perhaps so, but the TTC still makes me smile; it's one of my first Disney memories

Ok, sentimental moment over - resume discussion...

 

[menamechris]

I always wondered why they didn't do this at the other parks. From what I've read, it was supposed to build excitement. Which, I guess, it does. But it can be such a mess at times.

Well, while it can be trouble when crowds build - the crowd is the crowd. If its busy and everyone is trying to leave at once, it doesn't matter. Ever gone to a theme park or even arena that doesn't have a system like this and everyone is leaving at once? You tend to wait in your car in your parking spot until someone "lets you out" - and then you have to wait in a line of cars to get on the road. Regardless of how frustrating the TTC system may seem to many, the alternative is MUCH worse. And I am often amazed at how many posters here marvel at the beauty, wonder, and storytelling in AK, but can't see that it is being utilized in this very design before you even get into the MK. Regardless of how much of a hassle it can be when you decide to leave with thousands of other people - it is an engineering phenomenon (espeically for the late 60s). And it does do an amazing job of setting the Disney experience apart.