TP2000
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FYI, I got nothing here in St. George this afternoon. And now the same radio guy said it was just a SoCal thing along the coast.
I wanted to duck and cover!
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FYI, I got nothing here in St. George this afternoon. And now the same radio guy said it was just a SoCal thing along the coast.
I wanted to duck and cover!
TP2000
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I agree. This is a generic downgrade and totally blows apart all their Cheap Words pablum the WDI Comms interns and Parks Blog marketeers post about being great storytellers and creating immersive environments and blah blah blah. The new tile looks like a Home Depot display kitchen.
And then... I looked at the photo of this new tile in its natural setting. Looking at who the audience now is for these parks, do these people even care? Do they even notice? They are just staring at their phones and driving to their next snack bar pickup on Mobile Order.
Are we the stupid ones for caring about traditional details, while folks still show up for "Disney!" and the refillable mugs and souvenir popcorn buckets made in China?
sad, but trueI agree. This is a generic downgrade and totally blows apart all their Cheap Words pablum the WDI Comms interns and Parks Blog marketeers post about being great storytellers and creating immersive environments and blah blah blah. The new tile looks like a Home Depot display kitchen.
And then... I looked at the photo of this new tile in its natural setting. Looking at who the audience now is for these parks, do these people even care? Do they even notice? They are just staring at their phones and driving to their next snack bar pickup on Mobile Order.
Are we the stupid ones for caring about traditional details, while folks still show up for "Disney!" and the refillable mugs and souvenir popcorn buckets made in China?
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Rich T
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The Disney that created and built Epcot was not a monstrously huge media corporation. It was a company that created Horizons, Spaceship Earth and the original Journey Into Imagination.
Today’s Disney is not that Disney. Today’s Disney gives us Smellephants.
Dear Prudence
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It's legitimately wild seeing people who smugly grandstand about changes of other attractions absolutely glow over the recent additions to Tokyo Disney Sea Disney Springs.
Holy Twilight Zone, Batman.
Holy Twilight Zone, Batman.
Dear Prudence
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I was thinking about this recently. It used to be a company about a ragtag group of scrappy kids doing the impossible for the sake of art. Sure, certainly making money was a component (let's not kid ourselves), but the dedication to art and innovation were forefront.
Consumer
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I don't agree with Disney's decisions to retheme Splash Mountain or to update Country Bear Jamboree with Disney songs, but the inclusion of the Preservation Hall Jazz Band for Tiana's Bayou Adventure and Emily Ann Roberts for Country Bear Jamboree gives me confidence that these attraction will sound great. Both Preservation Hall and Emily Ann Roberts are incredibly traditional in their sounds. Emily Ann Roberts, in particular, is an artist I've been listening to for years now. Her eastern Tennessee sound fits perfectly for Country Bear Jamboree, with its Smoky Mountains influence.
Dear Prudence
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Speaking of things I can't believe is real....
The royal family for real said they were embracing that they're basically Satan.
NobodyElse
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waltography
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Pixar is just so royally screwed; what a reprehensible take. Even worse, Inside Out 2 will be successful and they'll learn all the wrong things from it.
They’ll learn the wrong things and I don’t think sequels are the answer but I think they re right to steer away from autobiographical tales. I remember catching some heat here for saying Turning Red had the narrowest target demo I could remember from any Disney film. Sounds like I was kind of on to something.
waltography
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We both know where we stand on Turning Red, but I'd argue the autobiographical nature wasn't an issue for Turning Red so much as the release on Disney+ was (and they simply refuse to admit that).
PiratesMansion
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What executives are missing is that specificity helps stories better connect with audiences, even if they can't always identify with each particular element of the story being told. Fiddler on the Roof has very little on the surface to do with the life of people in Japan, but the show became a smash hit there anyway because many identified with the themes focused on the loss of tradition and the complicated feelings that results in. "Broad Appeal" sounds nice, but it's really thinly disguised "Least Objectionable Programming", an idea that put NBC in the primetime doldrums before they revived in the 80s on the back of their Thursday Night Lineup. It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
"MORE of the characters you love!!!11" doesn't work if 1) there's no more natural story to tell, 2) people are, in fact, tired of those characters, or 3) it comes at the expense of original stories, as has seemingly been the case for at least the past seven years. Most people don't actually want endless brand extensions; if they did, those Marvel movies would still be making money. There's a shortage of new stories in the marketplace.
So ultimately they're missing the root of the problem-it's less the stories that were told (though I doubt there's one person in the world that isn't a marketing executive who truly believed Lightyear was a movie that organically demanded to be made) than what has already been identified as a clear mistake-that all Pixar films went direct-to-streaming for a period of time. They threw out the baby (theatrical revenue) with the bathwater (the NEW SHINY of streaming), and they still haven't fully dealt with the ramifications of those actions.
"MORE of the characters you love!!!11" doesn't work if 1) there's no more natural story to tell, 2) people are, in fact, tired of those characters, or 3) it comes at the expense of original stories, as has seemingly been the case for at least the past seven years. Most people don't actually want endless brand extensions; if they did, those Marvel movies would still be making money. There's a shortage of new stories in the marketplace.
So ultimately they're missing the root of the problem-it's less the stories that were told (though I doubt there's one person in the world that isn't a marketing executive who truly believed Lightyear was a movie that organically demanded to be made) than what has already been identified as a clear mistake-that all Pixar films went direct-to-streaming for a period of time. They threw out the baby (theatrical revenue) with the bathwater (the NEW SHINY of streaming), and they still haven't fully dealt with the ramifications of those actions.
waltography
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Brad Bird on The Incredibles:
Andrew Stanton on Finding Nemo:
John Lassetter on Cars:
NateD1226
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They honestly did this to themselves. Disney has been and will always be the leader of the nostalgia train. They are slowly reverting back to the 2016-2019 period of Pixar/Disney Animation/Disney Live-Action where it was just sequel/remake on top of sequel/remake. Once Toy Story 5 hits theaters in 2026, everyone is going to start complaining that there is too many sequels and remakes just like they did after Ralph Breaks the Internet embarrassed the brand. So, they are gonna go back to originals, but nobody is going to care because of the brand damage that started all the way back when the live-action Alice In Wonderland became a smash hit. Like you stated, they took the wrong message from that success and thought audiences wanted dozens more of these clear nostalgia-bait stories. It was nice at first. You don't see people complain about Toy Story 3, Monster's University, Cinderella, Jungle Book, etc. They just wore it out so much that audiences are trained to only really care about stories that have recognizable characters. Now, they have been scrambling to find their original branding, causing them to lose their touch within storytelling that was so iconic way back when.
DrAlice
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Shortly after Disney purchased Pixar I read an article predicting Pixar's ultimate demise. At least, the writer was greatly concerned about Pixar's long-term health under the Disney brand. The argument was that Pixar had a process and culture that allowed them to "steep" ideas for a long time, taking several years to develop the final story for each movie they made. This meant they didn't produce very many movies in a given time period, but what they did produce were A+ films (and now classics). At the time the article was written, Disney execs were beginning to step in and demand a more "efficient" workflow so that Pixar could pump out more movies in a shorter amount of time. The author speculated that this would ultimately lead to a deterioration of the quality of film they produced.
And here we are.
But no, you're right Pete Docter, you should stop making original stories, and just focus on more sequels and remakes.
And here we are.
But no, you're right Pete Docter, you should stop making original stories, and just focus on more sequels and remakes.
Communicora
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Let me interrupt your forum scrolling with a Disney YouTuber PSA.
If you watch Hey Brickey! on TikTok and not YouTube, you are watching a scammer.
Ok, back to your scrolling. Have a magical day.
That is crazy. It looks like he posted an update an hour ago and the copyist has been removed.