The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

PiratesMansion

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Well I guess we couldn’t feel more differently on these two new bits of Space Mountain news. Haha

Why do you care about the Hyperspace news though? Is that when you’ll be at the park?
Thankfully it is not happening when I'm in the park. I just don't like Hyperspace or Star Wars, and I don't appreciate how every time I plan a trip to ride my favorite Space Mountain (one of my favorite rides at the resort AND the one attraction where I definitively think DL has the best one in the world), there's always this lingering fear now that they'll spontaneously decide to throw it in and I won't have enough notice to do anything about it.

I'm very happy about the return of Single Rider though, especially because thanks to Genie's arbitrary rules you can't do it more than once in a day. It'll be good to have another way to do Space in a reasonable amount of time, and Space was also the only Single Rider other than RSR that actually functioned the way it was SRLs are supposed to. Anything that will help me do Space more than once in a day with a minimal wait is good in my book.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
More Dollywood thoughts:

After going to Dollywood I don't see myself ever being a Disneyland regular.

I haven't been a passholder of anything since March 2020.

For 200 dollars I got a season pass that included 2 tickets, free parking, and discounts. It in fact covered our 2 day vacation perfectly without my wife needing any separate admission.

The park was just in immaculate shape. I've never seen a theme park this clean ever. Whether you were in a queue line, boarding starion, walkway, or restroom, the park was amazingly clean.

The scenery of the park is amazing. Practically any outdoor area is postcard worthy, with the only exceptions being the cheesy 1950s themed area and "Fair" area.

The rest of the park be it the entrance area, old west country themed areas, and wildwood grove were picture perfect. With lots of beautiful scenery be it from the theming, plants, or surrounding hills.

The Cinnamon Bread was excellent and worth the hype. The all you can eat "Aunt Granny's" sit down was pretty good and was super cheap for being the park's premier restaraunt (26 dollars for all you can eat, 4 sides, 3 entrees, drinks, and dessert). In fact every restaurant we visited in Tennessee gave us so much food, it's so different than what I'm used to in California.

In terms of rides, imagine prime Disney (not current Disney) level maintenance but on coasters. The things that makes the park better to me than any Six Flags or Cedar Fair park is how unique the rides are in addition the scenery they are in. The coasters all did things different than any coasters I have been on before. You can tell Dollywood makes custom builds and doesn't get prebuilt models from coaster vendors like Six Flags and Knotts.

We went on this amazing launching wooden coaster in the mountains, a coaster with launches forwards and backwards with a neat layout, got to be in the wings of an eagle, a dark ride coaster, etc. Nothing felt run of the mill.

The kids areas with flat rides even offer a number of unique rides in addition to the standard fare.

We went on the weirdest ride we've ever been on called Mystery Mine that was an exercise in physical and psychological torture. I don't know what they were thinking with this ride. This was the only ride I disliked and would not recommend, but again, unique.

In terms of upselling they have a skip the line pass that is reasonable (50 dollars I think). We did not purchase this. Both days we went, besides maybe 2ish busy hours in the afternoon, all rides were 15 minutes or less besides Lightning Rod which when operating was about 45 minutes. It seems in the morning the park is dead and once it hit 4pm the park is also dead.

I never felt like I was rushing. We were visiting shops and relaxing/eating and enjoyed our themepark experience never worrying about lines or planning.

Customer service was just next level and was my favorite thing about the park. We both just felt so taken care of by the staff. They were so friendly and talkative and relaxed. In fact the park guests were also incredibly friendly and relaxed.

Staff would strike up actual conversations with us frequently and ask how our day is going how we liked the park etc or would tell stories or jokes. We had a tram driver deliver the best standup routine that made a tram full of people forget about how we were in the freezing cold. Everyone from ride ops, retail, food, etc was amazing.

Again, I get the Dollywood and Disneyland have very different offerings and budgets. The reason I say this comparison is Dollywood's customer service reminds me of what Disney used to be.

You can have a park with a high amount of demand and focus on customer service and the guest experience.

I realized at this stage in my life I'd rather go somewhere that treats me well and values me, than somewhere that has "cooler" or "more advance" rides. Positive experiences keep me coming back and leave lasting memories.

This kind of makes me want to go to Dollywood. Didn’t know much about it but it sounds great!
 

CaptinEO

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God bless Dolly, truly. What a shining beacon of humanity. She’s as close to our modern mythology surrounding Walt as any living person, to be honest.
Seeing her parade down her own park in an old fashioned open car immediately made me think of Walt. Not that I'm saying she's on the same level as Walt Disney but what other park in the states has someone as the face of it?

She even personally hosts their annual media event that announces news for the parks, and then performs songs afterwards. And passholders can go (I missed out on the sign ups). You can tell she is very involved and cares about this park, it isn't just an investment she has.

The more I learned of her charitable efforts the more I realize why Dolly is so adored.
 

CaptinEO

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This kind of makes me want to go to Dollywood. Didn’t know much about it but it sounds great!
I highly recommend it. Their brochure at the airport proudly advertised on the front that it was voted friendliest park in the country, and after visiting I have to agree.

I can't remember the last time Disney tried marketing friendliness or the Disney difference, maybe in the Eisner days?

Their focus is on "magical" experiences and "innovation". To me a friendly face and customer service means much more than the newest technology.

I'm not even knocking just Disney on this. Disney, Six Flags, Knotts, and Universal all have customer service ranging from bad to just OK, with the exception of the few employees of each who are going out of their way despite working for a company that doesn't care.
 

PiratesMansion

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More Dollywood thoughts:

After going to Dollywood I don't see myself ever being a Disneyland regular.

I haven't been a passholder of anything since March 2020.

For 200 dollars I got a season pass that included 2 tickets, free parking, and discounts. It in fact covered our 2 day vacation perfectly without my wife needing any separate admission.

The park was just in immaculate shape. I've never seen a theme park this clean ever. Whether you were in a queue line, boarding starion, walkway, or restroom, the park was amazingly clean.

The scenery of the park is amazing. Practically any outdoor area is postcard worthy, with the only exceptions being the cheesy 1950s themed area and "Fair" area.

The rest of the park be it the entrance area, old west country themed areas, and wildwood grove were picture perfect. With lots of beautiful scenery be it from the theming, plants, or surrounding hills.

The Cinnamon Bread was excellent and worth the hype. The all you can eat "Aunt Granny's" sit down was pretty good and was super cheap for being the park's premier restaraunt (26 dollars for all you can eat, 4 sides, 3 entrees, drinks, and dessert). In fact every restaurant we visited in Tennessee gave us so much food, it's so different than what I'm used to in California.

In terms of rides, imagine prime Disney (not current Disney) level maintenance but on coasters. The things that makes the park better to me than any Six Flags or Cedar Fair park is how unique the rides are in addition the scenery they are in. The coasters all did things different than any coasters I have been on before. You can tell Dollywood makes custom builds and doesn't get prebuilt models from coaster vendors like Six Flags and Knotts.

We went on this amazing launching wooden coaster in the mountains, a coaster with launches forwards and backwards with a neat layout, got to be in the wings of an eagle, a dark ride coaster, etc. Nothing felt run of the mill.

The kids areas with flat rides even offer a number of unique rides in addition to the standard fare.

We went on the weirdest ride we've ever been on called Mystery Mine that was an exercise in physical and psychological torture. I don't know what they were thinking with this ride. This was the only ride I disliked and would not recommend, but again, unique.

In terms of upselling they have a skip the line pass that is reasonable (50 dollars I think). We did not purchase this. Both days we went, besides maybe 2ish busy hours in the afternoon, all rides were 15 minutes or less besides Lightning Rod which when operating was about 45 minutes. It seems in the morning the park is dead and once it hit 4pm the park is also dead.

I never felt like I was rushing. We were visiting shops and relaxing/eating and enjoyed our themepark experience never worrying about lines or planning.

Customer service was just next level and was my favorite thing about the park. We both just felt so taken care of by the staff. They were so friendly and talkative and relaxed. In fact the park guests were also incredibly friendly and relaxed.

Staff would strike up actual conversations with us frequently and ask how our day is going how we liked the park etc or would tell stories or jokes. We had a tram driver deliver the best standup routine that made a tram full of people forget about how we were in the freezing cold. Everyone from ride ops, retail, food, etc was amazing.

Again, I get the Dollywood and Disneyland have very different offerings and budgets. The reason I say this comparison is Dollywood's customer service reminds me of what Disney used to be.

You can have a park with a high amount of demand and focus on customer service and the guest experience.

I realized at this stage in my life I'd rather go somewhere that treats me well and values me, than somewhere that has "cooler" or "more advance" rides. Positive experiences keep me coming back and leave lasting memories.
I'm so glad you had such a wonderful time! Since you have a season pass, are you planning on going back? Their Christmas event is pretty impressive (second only to the park I'm about to recommend below), and they tend to shift their offerings around a little bit for each festival they offer.

Believe it or not, people actually used to like Mystery Mine before the roughness set in! It's basically a much older version of Hangtime at Knott's made by the same company, but with better theming and epically worse restraints/layout. I don't fit anymore, but it's one of the few rides where I'm not bothered by that fact.

Sounds like you got some good southern cooking in and out of the park. It's just a very different philosophy that's very regional-more than enough to eat, and all of it delicious and artery clogging. I love visiting the south, but the food is part of the reason I don't think I could live there-too many delicious-but-terrible-for-you options everywhere you look that I'm not sure I'd be able to resist.

If you're looking for something similar to Dollywood, I highly recommend Silver Dollar City in Branson, MO (itself somewhat similar of a town to Pigeon Forge or Gaitlinburg). While it's not affiliated with Dolly, it's owned and operated by the other company involved with Dollywood, Herschend Family Entertainment. The two parks can be broadly compared within their company to the Disney parks-Silver Dollar City is the Disneyland to Dollywood's Walt Disney World. In terms of atmosphere, if you picture the Craftsman's Valley area of Dollywood and made it the size of an entire park, that's essentially what Silver Dollar City is. SDC is similarly built into mountainous terrain, has great customer service and food options, unique coasters, a Blazing Fury-esque ride called Fire in the Hole (unfortunately closing after this year with a replacement version already under construction), a Flooded Mine dark ride that's of similar vintage to Pirates (with the budget being of course much closer to something you'd see at Dollywood than Disneyland), their own unique foods, their own spin on Cinammon Bread, and the park is also sitting on top of a cave that can be toured for free with your park admission. Free parking too, and 50% off with your Dollywood Season Pass!

It's less visited than Dollywood because it doesn't have an icon attached to it and it's much harder to get to for most people, but it's no less good of a park.
This kind of makes me want to go to Dollywood. Didn’t know much about it but it sounds great!
That whole area is something else. So much to see and do, from the respectable (the National Park), to the unbearably tacky yet frequently delightful tourist traps, and everything in between. I used to go every once in awhile back in the day, but haven't been in about nine years. That area, already growing fast at that point, has only exploded since then. It's like Vegas if there was no gambling, the emphasis of everything was on Family Friendly stuff, and it was growing at an exponential rate.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I highly recommend it. Their brochure at the airport proudly advertised on the front that it was voted friendliest park in the country, and after visiting I have to agree.

I can't remember the last time Disney tried marketing friendliness or the Disney difference, maybe in the Eisner days?

Their focus is on "magical" experiences and "innovation". To me a friendly face and customer service means much more than the newest technology.

I'm not even knocking just Disney on this. Disney, Six Flags, Knotts, and Universal all have customer service ranging from bad to just OK, with the exception of the few employees of each who are going out of their way despite working for a company that doesn't care.

The sad part is I don’t even notice the bad to mediocre customer service anymore as it blends in with all the service I got across So Cal. Now, in the year + after DL reopened in 2021 the customer service stood out as very bad.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I still dont get the point of doing this after building an entire Star Wars land in the same park and having another Star Wars ride next door.

Well, they didn’t build a Star Wars coaster and that’s their fault. Smugglers Run could have been some walkthrough attraction and they could have used all that room for a coaster. I get it though. They took their shot… and missed
 

PiratesMansion

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I still dont get the point of doing this after building an entire Star Wars land in the same park and having another Star Wars ride next door.
Because IP at all costs, and people like it for reasons beyond me.

Then if we ever lose the regular ride to Hyperspace permanently (as has already happened in DLP and HKDL), people will somehow be shocked that their love of Hyperspace was construed as an endorsement of IP at the expense of a formerly iconic park attraction.

Guest: Man, I really love Hyperspace, it's so fun!
Disney: SEE, THEY LIKE IT! MOAR IP!!!!11111 MOAR STAR WAR!!!!!11111
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
people will somehow be shocked that their love of Hyperspace was construed as an endorsement of IP at the expense of a formerly iconic park attraction.

Lol. Ok I’ll boycott it the 2 times I ride it during the 6 weeks they bring it back every year just in case they decide to change it permanently. 🙄

I’ll also boycott HMH from September through October 31st so they get the hint that it starts too early.
 
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PiratesMansion

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I feel like with WEBSLINGERS they knew it was going to be TSMM the remix at best but I really think they were going for a home run with Smugglers Run but just ended up with a base hit. Can anyone in the back four seats honestly say they like Smugglers Run more than Star Tours?
The lines have been a LOT longer for Smuggler's than Star Tours more often than not when I've looked at the app, which concerns me, seeing as they're very, very similar. I do hope that eventually the new car smell will wear off and Star Tours' lines will creep back up a bit, but who really knows.

Disney certainly didn't help matters by incorporating Star Tours-esque moments into both GE attractions.

Lol. Ok I’ll boycott it the 2 times I ride it during the 6 weeks they bring it back every year just in case they decide to change it permanently. 🙄
I knew I could count on you!
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
The lines have been a LOT longer for Smuggler's than Star Tours more often than not when I've looked at the app, which concerns me, seeing as they're very, very similar. I do hope that eventually the new car smell will wear off and Star Tours' lines will creep back up a bit, but who really knows.

Disney certainly didn't help matters by incorporating Star Tours-esque moments into both GE attractions.


I knew I could count on you!

I noticed this too but I think it’s mostly a byproduct of people going to ROTR and GE in general. As well as taking advantage of the fact that it’s offered on Genie +. It’s also still fairly new. Im still going to the parks every few trips with family/ friends who haven’t been on it. I think the best way to sum it up may be - GE as a whole made Star Tours obsolete-ish. Not Smugglers Run
 

TP2000

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Customer service was just next level and was my favorite thing about the park. We both just felt so taken care of by the staff. They were so friendly and talkative and relaxed. In fact the park guests were also incredibly friendly and relaxed....

Again, I get the Dollywood and Disneyland have very different offerings and budgets. The reason I say this comparison is Dollywood's customer service reminds me of what Disney used to be.

You can have a park with a high amount of demand and focus on customer service and the guest experience.

Great insight! Thank you!

Something definitely has changed with Disneyland CM's. The place just now feels... off.

It also reminds me, from my own personal experience, that nowadays when you get out of SoCal into other areas of the country, people are often kinder and more polite and more relaxed in general. People smile more. They make eye contact. They chit-chat in line at Target or Harmon's. They nod at you as you pass them on sidewalks or aisles. The vocabulary of service staff and customers alike uses English words like "please" or "thank you" or even "Yes, sir".

A few decades ago there used to be a noticeable difference in tone and culture between LA and OC. That's changed, where all of SoCal now acts the same out in public and with other humans. It's not been a good change. And when you leave SoCal, you notice it immediately.

I'm glad Dollywood has taken that social advantage and put it to good use with training and management that makes Dollywood excel!
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Just saw that some friends in Laguna Beach whose hillside has been sliding/slumping are preparing for another big rain storm tomorrow!

2 inches or so of rain at Disneyland, but with cold gusty winds. Knott's will probably close for the day, even though it's "Spring Break".

Canyons and south-facing hillsides in OC will see up to 6 to 8 inches of rain on Tuesday/Wednesday! Temps are still running unseasonably cold from Seattle to San Diego, with snow levels in SoCal dropping to 4,000 feet by Tuesday night. Another two feet of snow heading to Big Bear!

Did you clean your gutters when it was sunny last weekend? Did you sweep out that drain by the garage? 🤔
 
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brb1006

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More Dollywood thoughts:

After going to Dollywood I don't see myself ever being a Disneyland regular.

I haven't been a passholder of anything since March 2020.

For 200 dollars I got a season pass that included 2 tickets, free parking, and discounts. It in fact covered our 2 day vacation perfectly without my wife needing any separate admission.

The park was just in immaculate shape. I've never seen a theme park this clean ever. Whether you were in a queue line, boarding starion, walkway, or restroom, the park was amazingly clean.

The scenery of the park is amazing. Practically any outdoor area is postcard worthy, with the only exceptions being the cheesy 1950s themed area and "Fair" area.

The rest of the park be it the entrance area, old west country themed areas, and wildwood grove were picture perfect. With lots of beautiful scenery be it from the theming, plants, or surrounding hills.

The Cinnamon Bread was excellent and worth the hype. The all you can eat "Aunt Granny's" sit down was pretty good and was super cheap for being the park's premier restaraunt (26 dollars for all you can eat, 4 sides, 3 entrees, drinks, and dessert). In fact every restaurant we visited in Tennessee gave us so much food, it's so different than what I'm used to in California.

In terms of rides, imagine prime Disney (not current Disney) level maintenance but on coasters. The things that makes the park better to me than any Six Flags or Cedar Fair park is how unique the rides are in addition the scenery they are in. The coasters all did things different than any coasters I have been on before. You can tell Dollywood makes custom builds and doesn't get prebuilt models from coaster vendors like Six Flags and Knotts.

We went on this amazing launching wooden coaster in the mountains, a coaster with launches forwards and backwards with a neat layout, got to be in the wings of an eagle, a dark ride coaster, etc. Nothing felt run of the mill.

The kids areas with flat rides even offer a number of unique rides in addition to the standard fare.

We went on the weirdest ride we've ever been on called Mystery Mine that was an exercise in physical and psychological torture. I don't know what they were thinking with this ride. This was the only ride I disliked and would not recommend, but again, unique.

In terms of upselling they have a skip the line pass that is reasonable (50 dollars I think). We did not purchase this. Both days we went, besides maybe 2ish busy hours in the afternoon, all rides were 15 minutes or less besides Lightning Rod which when operating was about 45 minutes. It seems in the morning the park is dead and once it hit 4pm the park is also dead.

I never felt like I was rushing. We were visiting shops and relaxing/eating and enjoyed our themepark experience never worrying about lines or planning.

Customer service was just next level and was my favorite thing about the park. We both just felt so taken care of by the staff. They were so friendly and talkative and relaxed. In fact the park guests were also incredibly friendly and relaxed.

Staff would strike up actual conversations with us frequently and ask how our day is going how we liked the park etc or would tell stories or jokes. We had a tram driver deliver the best standup routine that made a tram full of people forget about how we were in the freezing cold. Everyone from ride ops, retail, food, etc was amazing.

Again, I get the Dollywood and Disneyland have very different offerings and budgets. The reason I say this comparison is Dollywood's customer service reminds me of what Disney used to be.

You can have a park with a high amount of demand and focus on customer service and the guest experience.

I realized at this stage in my life I'd rather go somewhere that treats me well and values me, than somewhere that has "cooler" or "more advance" rides. Positive experiences keep me coming back and leave lasting memories.
You really need to visit Dollywood during the Christmas season. It's super cozy and has an indoor section dedicated to Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer and friends (which you can meet). They even filmed a Christmas Special that aired on NBC last Chri season. You can currently view it on Peacock.
 
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CaptinEO

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Great insight! Thank you!

Something definitely has changed with Disneyland CM's. The place just now feels... off.

It also reminds me, from my own personal experience, that nowadays when you get out of SoCal into other areas of the country, people are often kinder and more polite and more relaxed in general. People smile more. They make eye contact. They chit-chat in line at Target or Harmon's. They nod at you as you pass them on sidewalks or aisles. The vocabulary of service staff and customers alike uses English words like "please" or "thank you" or even "Yes, sir".

A few decades ago there used to be a noticeable difference in tone and culture between LA and OC. That's changed, where all of SoCal now acts the same out in public and with other humans. It's not been a good change. And when you leave SoCal, you notice it immediately.

I'm glad Dollywood has taken that social advantage and put it to good use with training and management that makes Dollywood excel!
This is very true. Any state I've visited with the exception of Nevada seems to have friendlier people in all aspects. People aren't in a rush and workers in a business treat you like royalty compared to socal.

That is spot on about the dialect being more polite as well.

So did LA culture invade OC culture or is it the other way around? As much as I sympathize with anyone working a minimum wage job, I was working one not too long ago (10ish years back).

Not saying I was a magical employee but I at least put on an illusion that I was happy and friendly.

It's like in socal the workers have given up. As much as I feel for them, just some effort is all I ask for. I don't blame the workers fully, I think these companies stopped caring about customer service whether it is a Disney park or a department store. It clearly isn't in the training or isn't rewarded, or both.

Now that being said, there were one or two locations in Pigeon Forge where my wife (who is not white) and I got dirty looks from people. 95% of where we visited was fine though. Dollywood was a good environment and even had gay/trans people working there as well. Guess that's what comes with being in the Bible belt.
 
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TP2000

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This strategy of closing early at night when there was rain that morning will always be baffling to me. It's so clearly a lame attempt by TDA to claw back some profit for the day and reduce labor costs because it was only Mildly Crowded instead of Very Crowded.



There was steady light to moderate rainfall at Disneyland today from park opening until about Noon. It is currently overcast and breezy, but dry. It's unusually cold in SoCal for late March. (It would even be cold for early January). The park was supposed to close at 11pm tonight, but will now close at 10pm. More rain showers are forecast to move through central OC this evening, but spottier than this morning's steady rain.

The park is still fairly busy today. Most E Tickets have a 30 to 45 minute wait at 3pm. Indy is an hour wait, and Star Wars Rise is at 90 minutes. Lots of outdoor entertainment/fireworks will be cancelled due to wet ground and winds. So running rides are most important.

So why close an hour early exactly? Labor costs, apparently. 🧐

Mattercam at 3:03PM. Overcast, breezy, unusually cold, not very attractive. But it hasn't rained in Anaheim since Noon.

A Photo Not Worthy Of The Brochure.jpg
 

TP2000

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I will say, this cold, wet weather must be upsetting for all the Spring Breakers at Disneyland, especially from the Northwest and Canada.

It's been much colder than normal all over the West for months this winter, and today in Anaheim it's windy and wet and barely 54 degrees this afternoon. It was only 48 degrees when Disneyland opened this morning at 8am! Heading down into the 40's again this evening. BRRRR! 🥶

As for the OC Register's use of the phrase "heavy rain" in its reporting, East Coasters will get a kick out of this...

In the last 15 hours at the weather station two blocks west of DCA, they have received 1 inch of rain. Rain fell off and on overnight into the early morning hours at a rate of about a tenth of an inch or less per hour. It stopped raining around Noon in Anaheim, with a total of one inch over the previous 12 hours. That is what otherwise sane and intelligent SoCal residents call "heavy rain", where anywhere east of the Rockies that would be referred to as "light rain" or "showery".

Weather Station Rain Gauge at Katella/Bayless Streets, 3/21/23:
Katella Rain Gauge.jpg


More bands of similar rain are now moving over the Channel Islands headed to LA and OC counties this evening.

Meanwhile, at Shanghai Disneyland... :eek:

 
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PiratesMansion

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I'd like to welcome my SoCal friends to the wonderful world of "sketchy weather-related closures" that suck but are far from unheard of at theme parks anywhere else in the country beyond SoCal and Florida.

It's never fun, but at least they're keeping most of their operating day! Knott's didn't even open today and gave up before the day even started!
 
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