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PiratesMansion
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Behind the Attraction-Jungle Cruise review:
I had heard that this series was produced by the people who did the Netflix "Movies/Toys That Made Us," and I can really see that based on the way the material was presented. That said, I do not feel like the narrator they chose made the style feel as natural or engaging as in the Netflix series. With the narrator they chose, it just felt very forced.
I had thought that the "color blind construction foreman" story was discredited, but either Disney doesn't know or doesn't care.
I know that many of the classic Imagineers are dead and/or alienated from modern Disney, but it was very jarring to me that most of the talking heads and Imagineers were random anonymous 30somethings. Which is not to say that random thirtysomethings such as myself can't possess lots of parks knowledge, but my perception was that Disney found people who would stick to the script because they had little to no actual knowledge of the ride's history, vs. anyone with genuine authority or insight.
It continues to grind my gears that Imagineers from classic WED made an effort to make the parks different experiences and improve upon the previous iterations of parks and attractions, and not just reproduce the same thing that already existed, only for post-1994 or so Disney to just be like "ehh, forget it, let's just make it all like Disneyland and pretend that's the only one that was and is worth talking about." In particular, Walt Disney World's version of Jungle Cruise, which made several changes that I feel make it superior to the DL version, isn't even mentioned at all. Even more jarring because Tokyo and Hong Kong were mentioned, albeit for ten seconds each. Disney, do better.
As someone who is generally supportive of the changes made to Jungle Cruise (or at least, the idea of them; haven't been able to see them in person yet), it's really weird that the amount of time they spend with the problematic scenes **increased** after they talked about how problematic they were. I also didn't care for how they immediately cut to Marc Davis after they made that statement, as if he and he alone was responsible for making those decisions; maybe he was, but is that really provable? It was just jarring to go back and forth between "Marc Davis made a change for the better" to "this ride had some problematic moments, and we're going to cut right to MD to imply that this man who we just praised was directly and exclusively responsible for those moments." It really felt like someone at the eleventh hour demanded they go back in and put in a statement, regardless of whether or not where they put it made any sense, and if it hurt the cohesion or message of the special, so be it.
Also, related: "We love Trader Sam!"....Really, you do now, in light of the changes? Guess they had to fit in the bar plugs somehow.
I thought they had a roughly appropriate amount of time dedicated to the film, though I doubt that Dwayne Johnson logged any serious skipper time on the ride.
RIP Ron Dominguez.
I had heard that this series was produced by the people who did the Netflix "Movies/Toys That Made Us," and I can really see that based on the way the material was presented. That said, I do not feel like the narrator they chose made the style feel as natural or engaging as in the Netflix series. With the narrator they chose, it just felt very forced.
I had thought that the "color blind construction foreman" story was discredited, but either Disney doesn't know or doesn't care.
I know that many of the classic Imagineers are dead and/or alienated from modern Disney, but it was very jarring to me that most of the talking heads and Imagineers were random anonymous 30somethings. Which is not to say that random thirtysomethings such as myself can't possess lots of parks knowledge, but my perception was that Disney found people who would stick to the script because they had little to no actual knowledge of the ride's history, vs. anyone with genuine authority or insight.
It continues to grind my gears that Imagineers from classic WED made an effort to make the parks different experiences and improve upon the previous iterations of parks and attractions, and not just reproduce the same thing that already existed, only for post-1994 or so Disney to just be like "ehh, forget it, let's just make it all like Disneyland and pretend that's the only one that was and is worth talking about." In particular, Walt Disney World's version of Jungle Cruise, which made several changes that I feel make it superior to the DL version, isn't even mentioned at all. Even more jarring because Tokyo and Hong Kong were mentioned, albeit for ten seconds each. Disney, do better.
As someone who is generally supportive of the changes made to Jungle Cruise (or at least, the idea of them; haven't been able to see them in person yet), it's really weird that the amount of time they spend with the problematic scenes **increased** after they talked about how problematic they were. I also didn't care for how they immediately cut to Marc Davis after they made that statement, as if he and he alone was responsible for making those decisions; maybe he was, but is that really provable? It was just jarring to go back and forth between "Marc Davis made a change for the better" to "this ride had some problematic moments, and we're going to cut right to MD to imply that this man who we just praised was directly and exclusively responsible for those moments." It really felt like someone at the eleventh hour demanded they go back in and put in a statement, regardless of whether or not where they put it made any sense, and if it hurt the cohesion or message of the special, so be it.
Also, related: "We love Trader Sam!"....Really, you do now, in light of the changes? Guess they had to fit in the bar plugs somehow.
I thought they had a roughly appropriate amount of time dedicated to the film, though I doubt that Dwayne Johnson logged any serious skipper time on the ride.
RIP Ron Dominguez.
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lazyboy97o
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The more I hear about this show the less desire I have to turn it on.
SuddenStorm
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Agreed on all these points- and that's from someone who thought the Jungle Cruise was the best of the series. I couldn't stand the other episodes, like the "Star Tours" episode that talked about Star Tours for 10 minutes before cutting to Galaxy's Edge.
It's superficial Disneyland history at best- but if it gets people interested in learning more then I say it's a win, even if it propagates urban legends and half truth stories.
SuddenStorm
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If someone had never heard anything about Disneyland history and turned it on, they'd likely be dazzled by the vintage footage and stories.
But people who spend time discussing the place on a fan forum for years are definitely not the target audience.
The Imagineering Story did a better job of appealing to both superfans and the casual viewer.
PiratesMansion
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That's the best one? Yikes. Well, there goes any vague remaining enthusiasm I had.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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The Haunted Mansion one is decent as well, even if it’s all rehashed pretty known knowledge among the fandom. Glad they brought Rolly back for that one, too. That said other than those two the quality of the others is…. Not great.
brb1006
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Yesturday The Disney Parks' YouTube channel uploaded a 12 minute video featuring Don Hahn and Floyd Norman touring Walt Disney’s historic home on Woking Way in Los Angeles, California.
It's part of a series known as "Disney Drop-in" by Disney Vacation Club which consists of unscripted videos filmed in interesting Disney places with equally interesting Disney people. This video is seriously worth the watch if your a hardcore Disney fan (especially old school/classic Disney). This is the type of stuff that the Disney Parks Blog should do focus more instead of awkward livestream hoste. I actually teared up watching this! Disney+ really needs more stuff like this video.
@Figments Friend and @TP2000 would get a kick out of this video. Highly recommend it.
It's part of a series known as "Disney Drop-in" by Disney Vacation Club which consists of unscripted videos filmed in interesting Disney places with equally interesting Disney people. This video is seriously worth the watch if your a hardcore Disney fan (especially old school/classic Disney). This is the type of stuff that the Disney Parks Blog should do focus more instead of awkward livestream hoste. I actually teared up watching this! Disney+ really needs more stuff like this video.
@Figments Friend and @TP2000 would get a kick out of this video. Highly recommend it.
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Communicora
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This was really neat. I love those 30s-era California homes and I had no idea that photo of Walt with Mickey's shadow was shot there.
Stevek
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I really, really wanted to add that Indy mug to my collection.
Stevek
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I really haven't been impressed with any of the 50th WDW merch. I was hoping there was something I might want when we go later this year but it looks like all I will bring back is any new Trader Sam's Grog Grotto mugs.
Communicora
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This is rather cool. Someone found an invitation to Walt Disney's daughter's wedding while they were doing renovations on their home.
I edited to use a bitly link because a word in the reddit link was triggering the naughty word filter.
I edited to use a bitly link because a word in the reddit link was triggering the naughty word filter.
I caved and spontaneously went to DL at 3pm this past Sunday when my Bro in law and sis texted us raving about the wait times. Every single rides wait time in the park was between a walk on and 10 minutes…except Peter Pan. I can’t remember anything like it in my lifetime. Mayyyybe once or twice when I was a kid. Anyway it was so nice to not have to plan a damn thing and still ride everything you want. We did 14 rides in 8 hours. Including a 1.5 hour dinner at Cafe Orleans with no reservations.
With that said, even though we got “lucky” with the weather at 88 in August and wait times were non existent something felt a little off about the trip. I narrowed it down the the following 3 things…
1. Zero entertainment. I heard no live music ANYWHERE.
2. I went on most of the E ticket rides at the wrong times.
Matterhorn, BTMRR (twice) in the Day
Splash Mountain, Jungle Cruise and Haunted Mansion at Night.
3. I didn’t go on POTC. Somehow it’s the scariest ride at the park for my son right now and he went on Space Mountain twice on Sunday. I find that if I don’t go on POTC or HM or don’t get to NOS early enough in the day something feels like it’s missing. Glad I got to go on Mansion during its last day of operation this year in its proper state.
With that said, even though we got “lucky” with the weather at 88 in August and wait times were non existent something felt a little off about the trip. I narrowed it down the the following 3 things…
1. Zero entertainment. I heard no live music ANYWHERE.
2. I went on most of the E ticket rides at the wrong times.
Matterhorn, BTMRR (twice) in the Day
Splash Mountain, Jungle Cruise and Haunted Mansion at Night.
3. I didn’t go on POTC. Somehow it’s the scariest ride at the park for my son right now and he went on Space Mountain twice on Sunday. I find that if I don’t go on POTC or HM or don’t get to NOS early enough in the day something feels like it’s missing. Glad I got to go on Mansion during its last day of operation this year in its proper state.
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Couple of other random thoughts from my Sunday trip.
-On Jungle Cruise, the first new monkey scene on the boat works better in person. The second money scene with the butterflies is extremely redundant and I can’t understand why they didn’t go with anything else there. Not a fan of the of the lost and found at all.
- Tropical Hideaway is a gem. Especially at night. We need to include it in the conversation with the new Hungry Bear sign. I wasnt the biggest fan at first. I liked it but like it much more now.
HM- The Boundless realm is WAY Too bright now. I can make out the black wall clearly. White stains and all. I remember riding in May and thinking it looked great. Maybe because I rode at night this time and my eyes had adjusted to the dark?
-Casey Jr never disappoints
- Had a solid food day at the park. Vegan Ronto Wraps for lunch. What they need to do is put the Vegan Ronto wrap toppings on the sausage one.
Cafe Orleans was great. Monte cristo was better than I remember from the last time I had it a few years ago when it was super dense. Still not really my cup of tea but it’s nice and the only way to get pomme frites now… which is dumb. Gumbo was solid and the multiple sides of cheese grits were delicious. I realized I’ve been getting the Shrimp and Grits for the grits.
Lumpia and dole whip at Tropical Hideaway were nice too.
- The Spanish safety spiel voice for Happy in Snow Whites Q is extremely obnoxious and off.
- Thunder Mountain is SO much better at night. Not even close. When are they going to fix that lift hill explosion effect?
- How hard is it to get all the bees to Spin on the Laughin place scene in Splash Mountain?
Mobile ordering was instant but I think it’s so obnoxious that some locations have no cashiers. I wanted to get a bottle of water for my son at Village Haus and got stopped by two armed guards telling me to wait at the door and mobile order it or go to the cart across the way.
- Forgot how charming the inside of Village Haus is. I never go in there or eat there.
-they need to bring more live music back quick
- Bring back the Trams!
-On Jungle Cruise, the first new monkey scene on the boat works better in person. The second money scene with the butterflies is extremely redundant and I can’t understand why they didn’t go with anything else there. Not a fan of the of the lost and found at all.
- Tropical Hideaway is a gem. Especially at night. We need to include it in the conversation with the new Hungry Bear sign. I wasnt the biggest fan at first. I liked it but like it much more now.
HM- The Boundless realm is WAY Too bright now. I can make out the black wall clearly. White stains and all. I remember riding in May and thinking it looked great. Maybe because I rode at night this time and my eyes had adjusted to the dark?
-Casey Jr never disappoints
- Had a solid food day at the park. Vegan Ronto Wraps for lunch. What they need to do is put the Vegan Ronto wrap toppings on the sausage one.
Cafe Orleans was great. Monte cristo was better than I remember from the last time I had it a few years ago when it was super dense. Still not really my cup of tea but it’s nice and the only way to get pomme frites now… which is dumb. Gumbo was solid and the multiple sides of cheese grits were delicious. I realized I’ve been getting the Shrimp and Grits for the grits.
Lumpia and dole whip at Tropical Hideaway were nice too.
- The Spanish safety spiel voice for Happy in Snow Whites Q is extremely obnoxious and off.
- Thunder Mountain is SO much better at night. Not even close. When are they going to fix that lift hill explosion effect?
- How hard is it to get all the bees to Spin on the Laughin place scene in Splash Mountain?
Mobile ordering was instant but I think it’s so obnoxious that some locations have no cashiers. I wanted to get a bottle of water for my son at Village Haus and got stopped by two armed guards telling me to wait at the door and mobile order it or go to the cart across the way.
- Forgot how charming the inside of Village Haus is. I never go in there or eat there.
-they need to bring more live music back quick
- Bring back the Trams!
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SuddenStorm
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On Big Thunder I could swear they added new projection mapping inside the final lift hill. Which makes me think the proper explosion effect is never coming back.
Here's 2021-
And here's 2019-
CaptinEO
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Can't believe people throw dollars into show scenes now. What the heck? Is this an offering for Snow White herself?
We need a trip report thread or subforum for the DL side.
lazyboy97o
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There are two Lighting Lanes. Regular Lightning Lane for most attractions is what you get with Genie+. Lightning Lane Selects are the individual charge ones that apparently don’t require you to purchase Genie+. Disney is hard at work trying to make it more confusing.
No Name
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If this were Pirates of the Caribbean it would fit better. Guests are bad at deciding which attractions to add theming to.