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The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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Wow. Why get rid of standby?
I imagine it’s a way to “sell” more “premiere access” tickets.

It also will push guest $$ higher since mid day during peak capacity guests will either need to spend $$ on E-ticket attractions, get stuck in the longer standby queues for the non-premiere experiences, or change their daily patterns and do some mid-day shopping/dining.

It’s great from a shareholder perspective, guest experience…. well for guests with money to burn it’s all coming up aces right? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Anjin

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Everyone has probably seen the news about standby pass at DLP this morning. 95% sure it will come to DLR at some point.

For reference, the standby pass system has been in operation in Tokyo for several months now. Not sure if what DLP/other parks are doing is different or not, but in Tokyo it's essentially mandatory fastpass for an attraction where they close the standby line, making it impossible to ride an attraction unless you have a pass for it on your phone. Standby passes are limited (attractions can and will run out), only allowed one ride per day (unless the attraction goes out of standby pass mode, which often happens at the beginning and end of the day) and the line isn't any faster when you actually get there, it's often still normal wait times (up to 45 mins).
Just read the article on this and... What the ****ing ****?!? Disneyland gets away with a lot with me, but this would absolutely murder any desire for me to pay these high prices for admission if there are additional ride charges.
 

Stevek

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I think this makes a lot more sense at WDW where someone is on vacation. If I’m spending a lot of money to go on vacation, another $60 for the whole family to ensure we ride FOP or at least ride without waiting 3 hours doesn’t sound too bad. I could see me doing that for a few headliners on a family vacation. Then again that’s what Fast Pass + did right? And that was for free. Only difference I guess is you don’t have to book the time or day you want to ride a particular ride months in advance. So I guess this brings some level of spontaneity back. Assuming you can buy day of. Also if fast pass is gone as an option and Premier Access is priced high enough that would mean standby lines will be moving faster.

This makes less sense at DL but we also don’t know what the future “membership” program looks like.
I guess it's fine if it's one or 2 rides but multiple rides, multiple days will definitely add up. It's just a bit troubling that coming out of a pandemic, Disney is looking for more ways to nickel and dime guests. I guess they gotta make up for that lost revenue somehow.

I'm still in the camp of just getting rid of FP altogether. If you want to ride it, wait in line like everyone else.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I imagine it’s a way to “sell” more “premiere access” tickets.

It also will push guest $$ higher since mid day during peak capacity guests will either need to spend $$ on E-ticket attractions, get stuck in the longer standby queues for the non-premiere experiences, or change their daily patterns and do some mid-day shopping/dining.

It’s great from a shareholder perspective, guest experience…. well for guests with money to burn it’s all coming up aces right? 🤷🏻‍♂️


All of this to ride stuff from the 60s. Hmmm maybe Disneyland needs to back to being a one to two time a year thing like when I was a kid.

If we re honest Disneyland hasn’t been that pleasant of an experience for years. Yes, I have my occasional visit where the stars align. But a typical day at Disneyland means lines and crowds everywhere. Now they re adding all this mobile order non sense and making sure our faces are glued to our phone all day. And soon we might have to not only pay more for tickets but have to pay to play and all for a worse experience? Once a year is sounding just right right about now. Especially with the underwhelming new stuff they ve been giving us and dumb changes like removing “ladies and gentlemen” from announcements. Not to mention all of the other virtual signaling inclusion key BS like removing Splash.
 
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Stevek

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Hmmm maybe Disneyland needs to back to being a one to two time a year thing like when I was a kid.
This x1000. I know this is the path we've headed down and I've been saying this for years. The uber fans profess how special it is to them after their 100th visit in a year...that's more than a bit overboard to me and into "Fanatical" land. Not that it hurts anyone but it's clearly the problem Disney has finally acknowledged.
 

mickEblu

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This x1000. I know this is the path we've headed down and I've been saying this for years. The uber fans profess how special it is to them after their 100th visit in a year...that's more than a bit overboard to me and into "Fanatical" land. Not that it hurts anyone but it's clearly the problem Disney has finally acknowledged.

There is no denying that DL is not as special as it was when I was a kid going once a year. With APs you always found new reasons to go for seasonal offerings or new merch. Or maybe it’s just been a few months since you ve been on the Matterhorn. Of course, it’s DL and it’s always a nice place to walk around and spend the day… as long as it isn’t too crowded. But with no APs, I’m not paying more for a worse experience. I’ll pay more for a much better than experience (even if I go less) but it’s not looking like it’s going to be that way.
 

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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All of this to ride stuff from the 60s. Hmmm maybe Disneyland needs to back to being a one to two time a year thing like when I was a kid.

If we re honest Disneyland hasn’t been that pleasant of an experience for years. Yes, I have my occasional visit where the stars align. But a typical day at Disneyland means lines and crowds everywhere. Now they re adding all this mobile order non sense and making sure are phones are glued to our phone all day. And soon we might have to not only pay more for tickets but have to pay to play and all for a worse experience? Once a year is sounding just right right about now. Especially with the underwhelming new stuff they ve been giving us and dumb changes like removing “ladies and gentlemen” from announcements.
I’m mostly with you. I truthfully don’t mind the efforts at greater inclusivity and progress if it weren’t for the fact that it’s becoming apparent that much of this is just cover for very problematic anti-consumer decisions to pad the bottom line.

It’s false advertising at some point to market oneself as an “inclusive brand” when decisions like this truly price out most middle- and working- class (and non-tech savvy) folks; or at minimum guarantee a sub-optimal experience.

I’ll always appreciate Disneyland for what it was and I too plan to share it with my kids but some of the decision-making is impossible to justify. This is definitely one of them; if it comes to fruition. I just hope that by the time I have kids the sum of all parts is at least some semblance of the equivalent of what existed in the 90s.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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If I didn't have free tickets, I wouldn't have gone back, especially on July 4th weekend. I'm by no means cheap when it comes to enjoying myself. I'll pay if it contributes to that. But I really don't think Disney has a clue what they're doing at this point. You can't even ride their new attractions without trying to snag a reservation on your phone. They're charging more for less of an experience than prior to the pandemic and the park is just as crowded these days. And I know they're reducing alcohol content in their overpriced drinks.
 

Mac Tonight

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I don't know if there will ever be a day when this meme ISN'T insanely relevant...

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DrAlice

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We only went once per year, but this new plan might put us on a once every 3-4 year kind of rotation. Seriously. I love Disneyland, but hyper planning every second of the day, forcing me to be on my phone constantly while on vacation and paying per ride at the current ticket prices is insane. It sucks the fun out of the trip. In fact, the hyper planning of FastPass+ is what has kept me from booking a trip to WDW. I don't want to have to plan which ride I want to ride at 3pm on a Tuesday, six months in advance. Ugh....

I don't mind paying for a Premier access pass for the whole day (that's what LegoLand does... different price points depending on how much you want to shorten your wait time). But forcing me to pay per ride through my phone all day long is bloody annoying and sounds more like work than vacation.

Congratulations Disney. Tipping point achieved. Buh-bye.
 

DavidDL

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In all seriousness, though.. I thought doing away with Fastpass was something folks were looking forward to? Because no Fastpass means no people cutting in front of the stand-by line means the stand-by lines move more quickly and become shorter waits? -and while this change doesn't totally do away with it, perhaps it greatly reduces it?

So to play Devil's advocate for a moment; by making Fastpass paid, per ride, wouldn't that sort of incentivize less people to utilize it? Because nearly $10 per ride is a bit outrageous? Right now, Fastpass is free which means everyone and their mother goes for it. At $10 per ride, only a smaller pool of crazies or super rich go for it. Or a select group of people in hyper specific scenarios.

Which means.. folks who want shorter standby waits via less Fastpass intrusion win, right? Just trying to understand. It's not like this decision removes the standby option for each attraction, if I understand the changes correctly?

Folks who want nothing to do with it at all are still free to use the standby lines but now, those same folks don't have literally every person in the park trying to cut in front of them with the Fastpass the entire day because it was free to everyone. So unless you were just a really big fan of using the handful of free Fastpasses per day in an effort to extend standby lines for everyone else.. does this announcement or change really hurt or benefit you?

Edit: To add something further, I'd bet this change is $10 more PER PERSON. Which is an extra $40 out of pocket for a family of 4, PER RIDE. If this system does come to the park, I can't imagine it being as widely utilized as the current free Fastpass system. If anything, the number of people cutting in front of you drops considerably and with it, the wait time for rides. The only reason attractions like Indy, Splash, etc. jump as high as they do on the wait boards is because folks waiting in the standard queue are given less priority than those who are jumping ahead.
 
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mickEblu

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Original Poster
In all seriousness, though.. I thought doing away with Fastpass was something folks were looking forward to? Because no Fastpass means no people cutting in front of the stand-by line means the stand-by lines move more quickly and become shorter waits? -and while this change doesn't totally do away with it, perhaps it greatly reduces it?

So to play Devil's advocate for a moment; by making Fastpass paid, per ride, wouldn't that sort of incentivize less people to utilize it? Because nearly $10 per ride is a bit outrageous? Right now, Fastpass is free which means everyone and their mother goes for it. At $10 per ride, only a smaller pool of crazies or super rich go for it. Or a select group of people in hyper specific scenarios.

Which means.. folks who want shorter standby waits via less Fastpass intrusion win, right? Just trying to understand. It's not like this decision removes the standby option for each attraction, if I understand the changes correctly?

Folks who want nothing to do with it at all are still free to use the standby lines but now, those same folks don't have literally every person in the park trying to cut in front of them with the Fastpass the entire day because it was free to everyone. So unless you were just a really big fan of using the handful of free Fastpasses per day in an effort to extend standby lines for everyone else.. does this announcement or change really hurt or benefit you?

Edit: To add something further, I'd bet this change is $10 more PER PERSON. Which is an extra $40 out of pocket for a family of 4, PER RIDE. If this system does come to the park, I can't imagine it being as widely utilized as the current free Fastpass system. If anything, the number of people cutting in front of you drops considerably and with it, the wait time for rides. The only reason attractions like Indy, Splash, etc. jump as high as they do on the wait boards is because folks waiting in the standard queue are given less priority than those who are jumping ahead.

I was on this wave length until someone mentioned standby might go away too. None of us really know anything. If they were to introduce this new premier pass and leave standby alone I can see the sliver lining. If they start doing standby pass and adding premier pass to different memberships/ APs not so much.
 
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mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Allow this song as to tell you why Disney would do such a thing:

Haha I get it but I just can’t imagine the parks being functional and not ruining guest experience without a standby line which in the end will effect bottom line. To your point through they probably don’t care about that far into future. It’s always about this quarter or this year.
 

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