AEfx
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That's also part of the many reasons why AAA games have shifted from "PC games with console ports" to "console games with PC ports".
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The Gaming Industry: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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That's also part of the many reasons why AAA games have shifted from "PC games with console ports" to "console games with PC ports".
Jimmy Thick
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For comparison to all the hours needed to unlock all the characters in the new BF2, I checked all my hours played on my World of Warcraft account. In over ten years of WoW, I have 5809 total hours played, and I was a very hardcore raider for about 5 years.
The_Jobu
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Impressive!
AEfx
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Except that the numbers you are quoting are simply not true and very misleading.
It's like calculating how many hours a waiter at a restaurant has to work to buy something by only calculating their $2.13 base hourly wage and ignoring the fact that the majority of their income comes from tips.
There are many challenges that you hit just by playing the game that give far higher rewards. Every time I play a few matches, I check and I've unlocked several of them without even trying, which pay much more in terms of credits and crafting parts. There are the basic milestone challenges, then timed challenges (the timed ones are actually tuned down right now, presumably so those with early access aren't going to get too far ahead too quickly), and if you look at their roadmap, many more are coming and are being added regularly.
But what do I know...I'm just sitting here playing the actual game - not on reddit making stupid assumptions about a game I haven't even played and say I'm not going to buy.
The_Jobu
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Another thing I've noticed is I'm buying less video games and more board games, there's so many great ones out there. One odd trend though is that there's a few games that you can only play once. Makes for a fun evening I guess, but kind of pricey.
AEfx
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Okay, so I finally had to take a break so I could recharge my controller, LOL. I was having so much fun, I didn't even notice low battery alerts. If anyone here wants to know how it actually all works, and not the hyperbole/hysteria/rage, this post is for you. The game isn't perfect, nor exactly what I would have designed, but the amount of misinformation out there is absolutely incredible.
Full disclosure, obviously I purchased the Deluxe Edition since I am already playing, and got the pre-order bonuses (which you can still get, and if you are getting the game, they are neat - especially the skins). I also spent a whopping $5 Microsoft Reward credit I got on crystals (which was plenty for me to get what I wanted - I get those $5 rewards from MS once a month or so, and I could see myself using them again for "free", but I don't foresee feeling the need to ever spend any more actual money).
First of all, all of the trooper classes are unlocked to begin with. The only characters that need to be unlocked are some of the heroes. At launch, are 6 unlocked and 6 locked. Due to feedback, EA reduced the cost of these by 75%, so they are quite reasonably priced now. 10-15K credits. I already have two of the locked ones, by the end of this weekend I'll have them all unlocked. Once they are unlocked, they are available for unlimited use in Heroes vs. Villains, and become available in normal game modes via the "battle points" system (which controls how many are on the map at any given time).
Battle Points are not currency, they are points you get during a match and only apply to that match. Everyone starts the match as their choice of trooper class, and then as you play, the points accrue based on your performance (nice touch - they actually richly reward you for "playing the objective" and not just how many kills you do - if you stop someone from doing an objective, you get a significantly higher amount of them). Battle points can be used for heroes or other special classes that are only available as the match goes on, depending on the map/mode. When you die (which you will, a lot, just like the last game) you can spend those points to come back as the hero/special character instead of one of the base troops. Now, I'm admittedly rather terrible at shooters, but I get enough points to at least come in as a special character a couple of times per match (depending on the length), mostly because I focus on the objectives.
I'll be back a bit later on when I have some more time to talk about Star Cards/Crates and how all that factors in. If anyone has any actual questions about how things work, I'll also happily answer them - be forewarned, however, if it's "but how isn't XX evil" or asking me to defend this or that, or garbage along those lines, I'm just going to ignore it. I'm just here to give the facts from actually playing, and I'm sick to death of all the other talk and it isn't worth wasting my "breath".
Full disclosure, obviously I purchased the Deluxe Edition since I am already playing, and got the pre-order bonuses (which you can still get, and if you are getting the game, they are neat - especially the skins). I also spent a whopping $5 Microsoft Reward credit I got on crystals (which was plenty for me to get what I wanted - I get those $5 rewards from MS once a month or so, and I could see myself using them again for "free", but I don't foresee feeling the need to ever spend any more actual money).
First of all, all of the trooper classes are unlocked to begin with. The only characters that need to be unlocked are some of the heroes. At launch, are 6 unlocked and 6 locked. Due to feedback, EA reduced the cost of these by 75%, so they are quite reasonably priced now. 10-15K credits. I already have two of the locked ones, by the end of this weekend I'll have them all unlocked. Once they are unlocked, they are available for unlimited use in Heroes vs. Villains, and become available in normal game modes via the "battle points" system (which controls how many are on the map at any given time).
Battle Points are not currency, they are points you get during a match and only apply to that match. Everyone starts the match as their choice of trooper class, and then as you play, the points accrue based on your performance (nice touch - they actually richly reward you for "playing the objective" and not just how many kills you do - if you stop someone from doing an objective, you get a significantly higher amount of them). Battle points can be used for heroes or other special classes that are only available as the match goes on, depending on the map/mode. When you die (which you will, a lot, just like the last game) you can spend those points to come back as the hero/special character instead of one of the base troops. Now, I'm admittedly rather terrible at shooters, but I get enough points to at least come in as a special character a couple of times per match (depending on the length), mostly because I focus on the objectives.
I'll be back a bit later on when I have some more time to talk about Star Cards/Crates and how all that factors in. If anyone has any actual questions about how things work, I'll also happily answer them - be forewarned, however, if it's "but how isn't XX evil" or asking me to defend this or that, or garbage along those lines, I'm just going to ignore it. I'm just here to give the facts from actually playing, and I'm sick to death of all the other talk and it isn't worth wasting my "breath".
And make it so people can just straight up buy what they want. No loot boxes.
Consumers Evil, Companies Saints. Got it
A real shame.
Insanity.
Smart man right here.
The_Jobu
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Europe might make them illegal, that would be a good precedent.
I haven’t played and knew all of this. It helps to go to more trusted and articulate YouTubers for the info than random reddit users.
And if that happens it’ll stop everywhere unless they’re really insidious enough to have two versions one with and one without.
GO EUROPE!!!
The_Jobu
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Yong Yea does good work. Whatculture is also surprisingly well researched.
The_Jobu
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Hey, you don't win "worst company in America" multiple times for nothing...
AEfx
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Consumers Evil, Companies Saints. Got it
Okay, this is your one warning. If you want me to participate in your thread (which clearly you do, since you specifically asked me to) - stop with that toxic nonsense. There is enough of that ridiculousness going on right now, and life is just too frigging short for it. Consumers speak with their wallets. "Consumers" aren't speaking out right now, it's all based on a small subset of consumers mostly on Reddit who have not even played the game yet on some general crusade against the gaming industry - largely around a forum that has about 100K subscribers, out of the 14 million or so who played the last BF - it would be like pretending that we all speak for the average Disney guest when we discuss things on this forum.
I'm perfectly willing to share information, but I'm not going down that black hole.
AEfx
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Yes, an online poll that gamers used bots to rig to make a ridiculous claim. If someone truly thinks the "worst company in America" is a video game entertainment company, and not ones who are killing us with chemicals, or forcing people into debt, etc. - they are insane.
AEfx
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Okay, I'm out then. Apparently not everyone knows this as people have claimed that it takes "5,000 hours to unlock all characters", so I was trying to give the information about how the game works to people that don't follow YouTubers trying to make money off of views, but it is clear you just want to make this a mini-reddit circle jerk, and I have far better things to do with my time.
The_Jobu
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Yeah, that's the whole point. It's a company that is in the business of making fun things and they still beat genuinely terrible multi-nationals multiple times. Even being in the running is a disgrace for them, let alone winning multiple times.
The_Jobu
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Bye Felica.
The_Jobu
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Let's inject a little positivity into this thread: What are some games you guys are looking forward to?
I'm waiting for Telltale Batman 2 and Shadow of War to go down in price.
There's some board games on my list, but they're a bit pricey. The digital versions are on Steam however and I think I may buy Twilight Struggle, it looks fantastic.
I'm waiting for Telltale Batman 2 and Shadow of War to go down in price.
There's some board games on my list, but they're a bit pricey. The digital versions are on Steam however and I think I may buy Twilight Struggle, it looks fantastic.