TROR
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I support this.
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The Dawn of a New Era for Disneyland
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socalifornian
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SuddenStorm
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Man, with upbringing like that, those kids will be lucky if they make it into adulthood.
SuddenStorm
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Not surprising at all for those who are aware of the forces within certain departments that work hard to try to keep it that way.
And have been doing so for the last fifteen years or so before his 'retirement'...
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Definitely. Just makes you wonder what could have been, and what direction the park would be headed now had Mr. Baxter been given more control.
TROR
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Give Baxter Chapek’s job.
socalifornian
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He can give Bob Jr. mandatory frontline CM duty to learn the ropes. Extra credit if there’s foreign tour groups
180º
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SWGE uses a lot of forced perspective for second stories, certainly to the extent that the rest of Disneyland does. The difference is that the first story is so huge that the whole thing is indeed at a larger scale than the rest of Disneyland. It feels very grand.
SuddenStorm
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If you look at the opening day lands- Frontierland, Adventureland, Fantasyland, Tomorrowland, Main Street USA- these could be what's collectively considered the core of the park.
Each new land has expanded these theme. New Orleans Square expanded the Frontier aspects of the park, and continued the park's reliance on Americana. Bear Country furthered the backwoods of the American south, further expanding the 'frontier' aspects of the park- with the 1989 addition of Splash Mountain helping to more cohesively bridge the transition in setting.
Toontown furthers the lived in/town aspects of Disneyland- presenting itself as a place where the animated characters live. This deepened Disneyland's mythology, no longer are the animated characters just happening to appear inside Disneyland for the shows, parades, and meet and greets- but now Disneyland is literally their residence.
Galaxy's Edge throws this all out the window. It's not Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland, but Galaxy's Edge which is the Black Spire Outpost on Batuu. Imagineering has literally designed and built a land that wants you to forget you're inside Disneyland, and does everything they can to accomplish this. I'm curious to see what impact this has on future additions to the park, as well as the public's perception of Disneyland and expectations for future attractions.
Each new land has expanded these theme. New Orleans Square expanded the Frontier aspects of the park, and continued the park's reliance on Americana. Bear Country furthered the backwoods of the American south, further expanding the 'frontier' aspects of the park- with the 1989 addition of Splash Mountain helping to more cohesively bridge the transition in setting.
Toontown furthers the lived in/town aspects of Disneyland- presenting itself as a place where the animated characters live. This deepened Disneyland's mythology, no longer are the animated characters just happening to appear inside Disneyland for the shows, parades, and meet and greets- but now Disneyland is literally their residence.
Galaxy's Edge throws this all out the window. It's not Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland, but Galaxy's Edge which is the Black Spire Outpost on Batuu. Imagineering has literally designed and built a land that wants you to forget you're inside Disneyland, and does everything they can to accomplish this. I'm curious to see what impact this has on future additions to the park, as well as the public's perception of Disneyland and expectations for future attractions.
the.dreamfinder
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WRT to the ticking/pricing discussion, raising prices is a cop out because that’s not why they’re raising prices. They’re raising prices to send more money to Burbank and, if anything, the AP price increases/more tiers mean people will use their APs more to justify their purchase. Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea are the third and forth most popular theme parks in the world yet they don’t charge anywhere near what Disney charges for day tickets domestically (~$75 1 day, ~$200 4 day park hopper). TDR instead has hard limits with dated tickets AND their Annual Passes are deliberately expensive (around $400ish for one park and $900ish for both) with no complex tiers or blackouts. As seen by how smoothly Galaxy’s Edge opening weekend went, and the possibility they just continue the current reservation system after June 24, maybe they should just give up keeping APs so cheap, and complicated, and drop ticket prices with dated tickets.
socalifornian
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idk anything about their ap numbers. The Tokyo metro population size is the largest in the world, about a million less than the state of California, if that means anything in relation to their ap count. Yet these were their only blackout dates this past year? At $874 I seem to feel taken advantage of no matter which Disney resort we look at
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britain
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Walking under the train tracks at the entrance of Disneyland is like light entering a prism, being split into various forms of Americana: Main Street (shopping in the form of a town), Frontierland (look out for a gunfight at the saloon, and marvel at America's unexplored wilderness), Adventureland (which is what exotic foreign lands/cultures look like to young American children), Fantasyland (a place where magic - both the dark kind and light kind - is used to teach morality fables of the ages) and Tomorrowland (the marvels of science fiction and science fact).
Leaving the back of Disneyland to Galaxy's Edge is like refocusing those split colors of light back down to one beam – but it's still not returning to regular life. It's a fresh mixture of each of the previous colors in a new land.
And, may I just say, in a reverse engineering way, this is why Star Wars land doesn't belong at DCA.
SuddenStorm
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I'd conjecture it's not walking under the train track that's entering the prism... but entering the hub where you're split into various elements of Americana since the theme isn't split until this point. Main Street acts as the sedative that allows you to accept what you're about to experience. Yes, the tunnels under the train track are an unbelievably important part of this... but it's not until the hub that Disneyland really starts to show what it is and how it's various themes interact.
I also think your interpretation of each land is a bit off and is based more on the modern bastardizations of what the lands have become, vs what their intent was.
Main Street wasn't originally just 'shopping in the form of a town' but was instead a detailed recreation of turn of the century America with shops, exhibits, and attractions that expanded this theme. Looking at the stores that used to make up Main Street and how they were themed vs today, this is far more evident- as well as how many more Main Street vehicles they used to run. It wasn't always the Disney strip mall it is today.
Frontierland is far more than the saloon and wilderness- it's meant to embody American's desire to grow into the wilderness- to tame the wild frontier.
Fantasyland is the place that honors outside tales, archetypes, and legends and their impact and adaptation into what America is. It's the place where America's interpretation of outside architecture, storytelling, and culture is represented in a fantastical setting.
Tomorrowland is the '1950s ideology that through the use of technology, Tomorrow will be better than today. Many of it's attractions over the years have embodied these ideals, though this land has been troubled since day one, with 1967 likely being the most 'pure' iteration of the land from an ideological standpoint.
From the hub, each element of Americana is allowed to be focused- Fantasy, Tomorrow, Adventure, Frontier- with New Orleans Square and Critter Country acting as a focus of the 'frontier' elements, Toontown acting as a focus of the 'fantasy' elements.
Galaxy's Edge is a mix of the elements that make up "Disneyland" only in the loosest definition of what Disneyland is. It abandons many of the design elements present throughout the rest of the park in favor of a completely new approach, and abandons many of the themes that Disneyland is built on. There is no 'Americana' in Galaxy's Edge- Disney chose to ignore those aspects of Star Wars in favor of their newer iteration of the franchise. It's not a refocus of Disneyland's themes- but instead a vast departure of what Disneyland is built on. It's a depiction of the 'frontier' only in the same way Mickey Mouse and Family Guy are both cartoons.
Even beyond the more abstract look at Galaxy's Edge- simple design elements like scale completely differ from the rest of the park. Heck, even Frontierland and the wilderness still depicts up kept buildings that are clean and charming. Instead of opting for an accurate depiction of New Orleans, Disney instead opted to depict a New Orleans that's clean, classy, charming, and embracing. Compare this too the decrepit and bullet hole ridden buildings of Galaxy's Edge where bounty hunters and Nazi inspired 'stormtroopers' act as crowd control.
I'm not saying Galaxy's Edge isn't excellent design- it's some of the best that's other done. I'm simply saying that it's a huge departure from Disneyland's previous guidelines and tenets, to the point where it certainly feels out of place and would be better suited elsewhere.
And to your point about DCA, sure it isn't a good fit there either, but DCA's theme is far more ruined and far less important than Disneyland's to the point where it really doesn't matter what 'fits', since it really just needs more of what's good- making me think Galaxy's Edge would've been far better suited over there.
TROR
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THIS!!!! A thousand times over!
britain
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Yeah, I disagree. It is different than anything that has come before, but phrases like "throws it out the window" implies that the rest of Disneyland is ruined. It's complementary to Disneyland, harmonious.
Practical Pig
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And veiled.
TROR
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It’s not complementary, though, it’s contradictory.
SuddenStorm
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All that phrase meant was that the previous thematic and design principles that Disneyland has utilized weren't used in the new land. Not that the rest of Disneyland has chucked those principles... though there are hints of that happening in the near future.
George Lucas on a Bench
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I wouldn't worry about it. We'll all be long dead before any truly drastic changes occur at Disneyland.
SuddenStorm
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Man, what I'd give for a Disneyland park only AP so I don't have to pay for the excess fluff.
