The Dawn of a New Era for Disneyland

[Disney Irish]

False. A fresh piece of fruit is always good, a rotten piece of fruit is always bad. What changes is the state of the fruit due to time, but not what makes it good or bad. If someone likes rotten fruit, that's not because rotten fruit is good, it's because that person is bad.

Its the passage of time that cause that state to change. If time stood still the state wouldn't change and thus the fruit would always be good. So again my point still stands.

And just like its no longer 1955, the design rules from 1955 no longer just apply because the park was created in 1955. Things change, rules changes. Change is a part of the circle of life, accept it.

 

[TROR]

Its the passage of time that cause that state to change. If time stood still the state wouldn't change and thus the fruit would always be good. So again my point still stands.

And just like its no longer 1955, the design rules from 1955 no longer just apply because the park was created in 1955. Things change, rules changes. Change is a part of the circle of life, accept it.

A fruit can change from good to bad because fruit is of this world. What makes the fruit good is not of this world, thus it cannot change.

 

[Disney Irish]

A fruit can change from good to bad because fruit is of this world. What makes the fruit good is not of this world, thus it cannot change.

I'm sorry did we just step into metaphysics here, what makes fruit good is not of this world? Wow, you're really out there my friend, go be one with your fruit....

 

[TROR]

I'm sorry did we just step into metaphysics here, what makes fruit good is not of this world? Wow, you're really out there my friend, go be one with your fruit....

 

[rreading]

F*** Star Wars Land, Galaxy’s Edge, and/or any other name it goes by.

This will alter the park in ways in which I’m in no favor of and it makes me sick. You guys and gals enjoy.

Give me the petting zoo back.

I neither agree nor disagree with this; DL is already crowded enough, and it would have made sense to place this external to DL (whether in DCA or part of a 3rd gate). However, it does look like it will be very well done and the crowd control measures that this is necessitating should hopefully be good for the health of the park overall.

 

[Mac Tonight]

I neither agree nor disagree with this; DL is already crowded enough, and it would have made sense to place this external to DL (whether in DCA or part of a 3rd gate). However, it does look like it will be very well done and the crowd control measures that this is necessitating should hopefully be good for the health of the park overall.

It's good for the health of the park to butcher half of the planters and walkways? Not sure about that.
It's admitting what the execs know for a fact, but refuse to actually do anything about. Disneyland plays host to too many people. SWL will only exacerbate the problem. There are more measures they could adopt instead of just shaving planters down to near non-existence, but those might result in a slight reduction in overall revenue, so no way is that gonna happen!

 

[Californian Elitist]

I neither agree nor disagree with this; DL is already crowded enough, and it would have made sense to place this external to DL (whether in DCA or part of a 3rd gate). However, it does look like it will be very well done and the crowd control measures that this is necessitating should hopefully be good for the health of the park overall.

Crowds mean nothing to me, regarding this project.

 

[I Enjoy Disneyland]

Man I can’t wait until they finally make Tomorrowland good and people still long for the quaint beauty of Autopia, an Objective Good of Theme Park Design

 

[fctiger]

Man I can’t wait until they finally make Tomorrowland good and people still long for the quaint beauty of Autopia, an Objective Good of Theme Park Design

Autopia should've been closed decades ago now. What does driving a car have anything to do with the future? I would love it if a new TL really is coming thats the first to go so they can put something there that matches the theme and has enough room to build whatever they want.

 

[rreading]

It's good for the health of the park to butcher half of the planters and walkways? Not sure about that.
It's admitting what the execs know for a fact, but refuse to actually do anything about. Disneyland plays host to too many people. SWL will only exacerbate the problem. There are more measures they could adopt instead of just shaving planters down to near non-existence, but those might result in a slight reduction in overall revenue, so no way is that gonna happen!

Not to derail, but how would you reduce crowds? Limiting pass holders and raising prices seem to be the only options.

 

[Darkbeer1]

https://www.investors.com/news/will-star-wars-galaxys-edge-be-crowded-not-if-disney-can-help-it/

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Galaxy's Edge Crowded: "Inelastic Demand"

Economists would offer an easy solution to too much demand: Raise prices. But borrowing the language of economists, demand appears to be inelastic for Disneyland. The price of an adult, single-park admission ticket increased more than 40 times since 1981. Just this decade, Disney raised the price of a single-park ticket every year. The price went from $76 in 2010 to a three-tiered price that starts at $104 for less busy days and doubled to $149 on the busiest days. Starting this year, every Disneyland ticket is $100 or more. Yet, the number of visitors only grows.


Pricing is just one of the ways Disney is dealing with the expected influx of visitors. "There's no one answer," D'Amaro said. "Pricing can give consumers choice and smooth demand."


Just raising prices is a blunt instrument. Disney is being more measured. "But it's not just about raising prices, it's about being really smart about it, and it's showing," Disney CEO Bob Iger said on the company's most recent earnings call.<<

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Raising Prices Alone Doesn't Work

Specifically, Disney already implemented a number of pricing changes, other than just raising prices in early January. Most are designed to shift visitors to less busy parts of the year, such as after the holidays. Four years ago, when Galaxy's Edge was still in development, the company created three tiers of ticket prices. Less busy days cost less than more expensive days. This helped to even out when visitors came to the park.


Reservations are another method to handle demand. Simply buying a ticket to Disneyland won't get you into Galaxy's Edge. You'll need a reservation for a four-hour block until June 23. After that, Disneyland Park will operate a virtual queue to enter Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge, as needed. Guests will enter the virtual queue to receive a boarding pass to return to the land within a window of time.


But Disney continues to make pricing changes, especially with its annual passholders, to monitor demand. Annual passholders are among Disneyland's most die-hard fans but also the heaviest visitors. So, the company this month added a $599 "Flex Passport." The Flex Passport allows visitors to go to the park for sure on less busy days. For busier days, Flex Passport holders can try to make a reservation. If there's room, they will be allowed to visit. Doing this helps Disney control how busy it is and plan accordingly, D'Amaro says. "It was a bold move," since reservations were never a Disneyland prerequisite and a bit of a departure from the open-to-everyone tradition. "But it's been a big hit."<<

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Instagramers losing their minds over a dive bar (serving real alcohol) is certainly a new era for Disneyland.

 

[NateD1226]

Instagramers losing their minds over a dive bar (serving real alcohol) is certainly a new era for Disneyland.

They were freaking out over a nest with nothing in it. What's changed!

 

[drizgirl]

https://www.investors.com/news/will-star-wars-galaxys-edge-be-crowded-not-if-disney-can-help-it/

>>
Galaxy's Edge Crowded: "Inelastic Demand"

Economists would offer an easy solution to too much demand: Raise prices. But borrowing the language of economists, demand appears to be inelastic for Disneyland. The price of an adult, single-park admission ticket increased more than 40 times since 1981. Just this decade, Disney raised the price of a single-park ticket every year. The price went from $76 in 2010 to a three-tiered price that starts at $104 for less busy days and doubled to $149 on the busiest days. Starting this year, every Disneyland ticket is $100 or more. Yet, the number of visitors only grows.


Pricing is just one of the ways Disney is dealing with the expected influx of visitors. "There's no one answer," D'Amaro said. "Pricing can give consumers choice and smooth demand."


Just raising prices is a blunt instrument. Disney is being more measured. "But it's not just about raising prices, it's about being really smart about it, and it's showing," Disney CEO Bob Iger said on the company's most recent earnings call.<<

>>
Raising Prices Alone Doesn't Work

Specifically, Disney already implemented a number of pricing changes, other than just raising prices in early January. Most are designed to shift visitors to less busy parts of the year, such as after the holidays. Four years ago, when Galaxy's Edge was still in development, the company created three tiers of ticket prices. Less busy days cost less than more expensive days. This helped to even out when visitors came to the park.


Reservations are another method to handle demand. Simply buying a ticket to Disneyland won't get you into Galaxy's Edge. You'll need a reservation for a four-hour block until June 23. After that, Disneyland Park will operate a virtual queue to enter Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge, as needed. Guests will enter the virtual queue to receive a boarding pass to return to the land within a window of time.


But Disney continues to make pricing changes, especially with its annual passholders, to monitor demand. Annual passholders are among Disneyland's most die-hard fans but also the heaviest visitors. So, the company this month added a $599 "Flex Passport." The Flex Passport allows visitors to go to the park for sure on less busy days. For busier days, Flex Passport holders can try to make a reservation. If there's room, they will be allowed to visit. Doing this helps Disney control how busy it is and plan accordingly, D'Amaro says. "It was a bold move," since reservations were never a Disneyland prerequisite and a bit of a departure from the open-to-everyone tradition. "But it's been a big hit."<<

Poor Bob doesn't know how to stop the overcrowding.

How about ending the monthly payment plan? How about adding more attractions to occupy the guests who are there? How about not putting tickets on sale in the months leading up to a major new land opening?

 

[Mac Tonight]

Not to derail, but how would you reduce crowds? Limiting pass holders and raising prices seem to be the only options.

I wouldn't say it's really derailing this thread to talk about ways to improve Disneyland's crowd flow, since this is a fairly general park discussion. So for some solutions:

-Passholders truly are the biggest source of over-crowding, so limiting them is priority one.
-More unique, people eating E-ticket attractions at DCA to encourage guests to spend more time there
-Raising prices (which Disney seems to do regardless)

Then theres the more fringe ideas that mostly have to do with the annual pass program. (These are my wacky ideas, so no worries if they're not super feasible)
-A Seasonal, 3-month Annual Pass instead of a Yearly Pass (Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall)
-A Pass where you have a set number of days throughout the year, (say 30), and you get to choose them in advance.
-A Day/Night pass. Hear me out... A Morning Pass that lets you in the parks from opening - 4:00pm and a Night Pass that lets you in the parks from 3:00pm - closing. This would probably be the least popular idea, but personally, I only ever really go to the parks after 3:00pm, even though I'm technically paying for the full day. This one would also be hardest to regulate since it would be more difficult to kick out the morning people. Though of course, you could purchase the full-day for a small additional fee.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If surge pricing doesn't work, then there's the nuclear option:

Limited ticket sales (i.e., an attendance cap with date-locked tickets... and no more any-time passes).

Now, imagine Disney putting that into place and the first rage-fueled reports from people who couldn't get tickets for a Disney park on the week they planned to take off from work because they're out of tickets.

So, chose your poison: Disney continuing to raise prices to control crowds and finally break the inelasticity of demand, or, having date-locked tickets they have have to buy 14 months in advance to make sure you're not locked out of a Disney park because all the ticket slots are taken.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Heck, in 1955, there was a hard limit of only 20,000 tickets sold a day. And since there were no passes or pre-sales, that was it. Got there too late in the day, sorry. But it was a locals park back then.

 

[Phroobar]

If surge pricing doesn't work, then there's the nuclear option:

Limited ticket sales (i.e., an attendance cap with date-locked tickets... and no more any-time passes).

Now, imagine Disney putting that into place and the first rage-fueled reports from people couldn't get tickets for a Disney park on the week they planned to take off from work because they're out of tickets.

So, chose your poison: Disney continuing to raise prices to control crowds and finally break the inelasticity of demand, or, having date-locked tickets they have have to buy 14 months in advance to make sure you're not locked out of a Disney park because all the ticket slots are taken.

I think it would be worth it if I can be guaranteed a crowd free day when I buy tickets 14 months in advance.

 

[Mac Tonight]

If surge pricing doesn't work, then there's the nuclear option:

Limited ticket sales (i.e., an attendance cap with date-locked tickets... and no more any-time passes).

Now, imagine Disney putting that into place and the first rage-fueled reports from people couldn't get tickets for a Disney park on the week they planned to take off from work because they're out of tickets.

So, chose your poison: Disney continuing to raise prices to control crowds and finally break the inelasticity of demand, or, having date-locked tickets they have have to buy 14 months in advance to make sure you're not locked out of a Disney park because all the ticket slots are taken.

I agree with what you've said, and I know its super ironic (and even maybe a bit snobby) to be posted on a fan forum such as this, but sometimes I think we need to remind ourselves that having access to Disneyland is a privilege, not a right. Even "guaranteed" annual passes can be voided for any reason.

Hopefully the family would have the foresight to purchase and secure their Disney tickets and base their time off work around that, instead of the other way around.

I'm very interested to see the impact of the Flex Pass.

 

[Disney Irish]

Poor Bob doesn't know how to stop the overcrowding.

How about ending the monthly payment plan? How about adding more attractions to occupy the guests who are there? How about not putting tickets on sale in the months leading up to a major new land opening?

Well isn’t that what Disney is doing by adding more attractions into both DL and DCA? I mean I know some of it is not what some here want but there are new attractions coming online over the next couple of years. For example, Marvel (Phase one and two) and Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway. And more rumored coming in the years after that, Fantasyland expansion, Tomorrowland redo, etc.

So its not like they aren't adding more attractions. It just may not be quick enough for some.

As for end the monthly payments, that is a difficult pill to swallow. But one that eventually may end up happening. Also changing up which APs are offered I predict is going to happen. Over the next several years I can see them getting rid of SoCal and Deluxe and pushing those guests to the Flex Pass. So then you only have two tiers, Flex and Signature(+). So by the time that is done you have a majority of locals requiring reservation. Making the DLR more of a tourist destination instead of a locals hangout. Its just a slow progression, one that takes time. You can't rip off the band-aid too quickly for fear of upsetting the very guests you're trying to ensure keep buying your product.