The Dawn of a New Era for Disneyland

TROR

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I really don’t think it looks that out of line with the rest of the park. Seems more about detail than size, other than maybe the Falcon. The Rise of the Resistance area looks super Disneyland to me
I would say the detail is an issue, as well. It’s all too hyper detailed compared to places like Main Street, New Orleans Square, or Frontierland. While impressive, it doesn’t “fit.” That said, I agree about the RotR area. I’d like to see more of that space whenever possible.
 

Mac Tonight

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Well Disneyland, it was nice knowing you. I'm sure we'll cross paths again...

But, let's be real...
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RandySavage

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Not to say SWGE won't go down as a great achievement, but I'm not seeing anything in the photos/videos that stands out as being in a higher league of detail or presentation than many other parts of DL.

To be honest, the press photos - filled with average guests and cast members - are bringing my expectations back down to reality from all the very atmospheric concept art with its greater detail, moodier lighting, aliens, droids and galactic denizens.
 

shambolicdefending

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The park may change over the years, as obviously has, but so long as it fits within the spirit and guidelines of the park, there’s no room for complaints. This fails to fall in line with the guidelines.

My problem with this approach is that deciding what the "spirit" and "guidelines" of the park are is completely subjective. It either boils down to individual preference, or just devolves into another pointless "what would Walt do?" debate.

The only principle that we can objectively embrace is the most broad one: Disneyland is a place where attractions can be enjoyed by both kids and adults, together.

Everything else is just personal soap box material.
 

TROR

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My problem with this approach is that deciding what the "spirit" and "guidelines" of the park are is completely subjective. It either boils down to individual preference, or just devolves into another pointless "what would Walt do?" debate.

The only principle that we can objectively embrace is the most broad one: Disneyland is a place where attractions can be enjoyed by both kids and adults, together.

Everything else is just personal soap box material.
Scale of the park is a mathematical guideline to keep the park consistent from land to land. Not exactly a subjective issue. Even if it was initially built that way because of budget, it still must be consistent throughout the park. If Disney wants to build outside of that scale they can do it at other parks (as they have at the Magic Kingdom).
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I'm confused over this statement. They are saying over 40 years the area will see $14 billion in revenue. That only comes to $350 million per year. Just spread over the businesses in the city and City Hall taxes that doesn't seem like much.
They are saying that SW:GE has the potential to bring in as much as $14B in additional revenue to the region over the next 4 decades.
 

TROR

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...right?

I mean, this kind of feeds the point, doesn't it? I'm one individual who really doesn't care about the consistency of the scaled architecture. You are one who does. The very definition of subjectivity...
That’s not because of subjectivity, it’s because you know less about theme park design.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I would say the detail is an issue, as well. It’s all too hyper detailed compared to places like Main Street, New Orleans Square, or Frontierland. While impressive, it doesn’t “fit.” That said, I agree about the RotR area. I’d like to see more of that space whenever possible.
Scale of the park is a mathematical guideline to keep the park consistent from land to land. Not exactly a subjective issue. Even if it was initially built that way because of budget, it still must be consistent throughout the park. If Disney wants to build outside of that scale they can do it at other parks (as they have at the Magic Kingdom).
Well good thing its in an area of the park where you can avoid it at all together and not have to see how inconsistent it is to the theme park rules you deride Disney for breaking. :p

Rules I might add that they themselves wrote, and that they themselves have changed over time. Remember its their park not ours, they just let us in for a visit that why we're called guests. :)
 

TROR

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Well good thing its in an area of the park where you can avoid it at all together and not have to see how inconsistent it is to the theme park rules you deride Disney for breaking. :p
I’m still interested in Galaxy’s Edge (once RotR opens), but to say it’s as good as it can be is false. They definitely have had several missteps along the way.

Rules I might add that they themselves wrote, and that they themselves have changed over time. Remember its their park not ours, they just let us in for a visit that why we're called guests. :)
If they wrote the rules, that’s all the more reason to follow them. That’s like giving a pass to the US government for violating the Constitution since the US government wrote the Constitution.

Less about theme park design? Actually I know basically nothing about theme park design. I'm just a Disneyland fan. Yet somehow the universe still allows me to have an opinion on scaled architectural consistency.

You're entitled to an opinion, just don't share it when the big boys are talking.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’m still interested in Galaxy’s Edge (once RotR opens), but to say it’s as good as it can be is false. They definitely have had several missteps along the way.
Of course there have been missteps, no one I think is denying that. However what those missteps are will vary from person to person depending on their point-of-view.

If they wrote the rules, that’s all the more reason to follow them. That’s like giving a pass to the US government for violating the Constitution since the US government wrote the Constitution.
And just like these rules, the Constitution can and has been changed in the past and will again in the future. Neither is a set of rules written in stone. One is a set of design techniques that is meant to be changed over time. The other is a set of values written over 200 years ago that the framers intended to be changed over time as our country grew and matured.

You're entitled to an opinion, just don't share it when the big boys are talking.
I'm sorry we don't tell people not to share their opinions here.
 

TROR

Well-Known Member
Of course there have been missteps, no one I think is denying that. However what those missteps are will vary from person to person depending on their point-of-view.

And just like these rules, the Constitution can and has been changed in the past and will again in the future. Neither is a set of rules written in stone. One is a set of design techniques that is meant to be changed over time. The other is a set of values written over 200 years ago that the framers intended to be changed over time as our country grew and matured.
The rules which decide what is good and what is bad do not change based on time. One's view on what is good and what is bad may change based on education, but even before one knows what is good and what is bad it is still set. Even if you have no personal problem with the lack of consistency in scale between Galaxy's Edge and the rest of the park, you're not the defining factor here. The lack of consistency in scale between Galaxy's Edge and the rest of the park is a design failure by the Imagineers.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
The rules which decide what is good and what is bad do not change based on time. One's view on what is good and what is bad may change based on education, but even before one knows what is good and what is bad it is still set. Even if you have no personal problem with the lack of consistency in scale between Galaxy's Edge and the rest of the park, you're not the defining factor here. The lack of consistency in scale between Galaxy's Edge and the rest of the park is a design failure by the Imagineers.
Um, yes time does change what is good and what is bad. That is what time does, changes things. Fruit for example changes from being good to being bad over time. Our opinions as a society change the concepts of what is good and what is bad based on the passage of time. Something that was once perceived as bad can be perceived as good all based on the passage of time, and vice-versa.

Again these are not rules written in stone, but rather written in pencil. Techniques change based on experience over time.
 

TROR

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Um, yes time does change what is good and what is bad. That is what time does, changes things. Fruit for example changes from being good to being bad over time. Our opinions as a society change the concepts of what is good and what is bad based on the passage of time. Something that was once perceived as bad can be perceived as good all based on the passage of time, and vice-versa.

Again these are not rules written in stone, but rather written in pencil. Techniques change based on experience over time.
False. A fresh piece of fruit is always good, a rotten piece of fruit is always bad. What changes is the state of the fruit due to time, but not what makes it good or bad. If someone likes rotten fruit, that's not because rotten fruit is good, it's because that person is bad.
 

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