The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

MOXOMUMD

Well-Known Member
Well, always is a bit of a generalization, in anything, but you can't deny @Songbird76 's point that American men tend to let the mothers take the most active parenting role, be it changing diapers or carrying snacks and such in the parks. It's a trait that has been part of American culture that we seem to have inherited from our British predecessors, the same way we've retained other cultural traits, such as distance from the other person when they talk. In other cultures, they tend to talk very closely together whereas as Americans, we prefer to keep the other person arm's length away. The British are also that way, a trait we share with them.

To be fair as well, gender roles have only begun to change in the past fifty years or so. When my parents were growing up, it was expected that the mother would do much of the job of parenting, changing the diapers and such. The change has been gradual, first with women going out into the workforce and leaving their homes, forcing the men to take a more active roll. Now, men are wanting to take on more responsibility. Years ago, a single father house would be rare, now it's common. Stay at home Dads are becoming more and more common; they were few and far between years and years ago. Men like who are in your family are leading the change, and the women who have them are very fortunate. My dad pushed the stroller, but I know my mom would have loved for him to change a diaper every now and then, or carry the diaper bag.

Songbird was obviously referring to her own experiences having been a part of two different cultures with the attitudes towards men in the family. Her experiences here were different than in the Netherlands, and your experiences here have been different than hers. It doesn't make either one of your experiences invalid just because they differ. She didn't mean to invalidate your own with the word "always". It's the internet; we try our best, but I don't know about you, but my English isn't 100% correct all of the time, so I don't correct others. ;)
My father was a darn good man, a SINGLE father that raised FOUR daughters ON HIS OWN. So I stand by my statement that it is not "always the mom" but thanks. When and if you have kids I hope your significant other does his share too or it will always be you.

But then again some in this thread shouldn't be judgmental to young mothers who have older boyfriends that adore their girlfriend's children either. ;)
 

Foltzy

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Just returned from my hotel for Lollapalooza. I just didn't want the weekend to end.

I'll say for any Killers or Arcade Fire fans, seeing them in concert would be a wise decision. I would say that for Muse but only got 20 mins of them :(
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
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My father was a darn good man, a SINGLE father that raised FOUR daughters ON HIS OWN. So I stand by my statement that it is not "always the mom" but thanks. When and if you have kids I hope your significant other does his share too or it will always be you.

But then again some in this thread shouldn't be judgmental to young mothers who have older boyfriends that adore their girlfriend's children either. ;)
Mox, go back and read my post. I said you're very fortunate to have the men in your family. No one berated the other member either; just pointed out it was unusual. Our experiences were all different.

I don't want to get married, which kind of puts a damper on the whole kids thing. So...
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Just returned from my hotel for Lollapalooza. I just didn't want the weekend to end.

I'll say for any Killers or Arcade Fire fans, seeing them in concert would be a wise decision. I would say that for Muse but only got 20 mins of them :(

Well it was an interesting Lollapalooza for us this weekend, more unique than most. It certainly had some major hiccups. Four Seasons made up for it.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
The weather was fantastic save for Thursday. Not to hot and not to warm.
A little bit of rain Thursday but thunderstorms forced the headliners to cancel which was a bummer. Otherwise it was great

Well IMO Thursday was just dang scary. I'm glad we all got chased out of there. I so remember what happened to Indiana when the storm hit there. Glad the call was made to keep us safe. Even the Cubs kept clearing the stadium to safeguard the fans. Friday night was just freak'n cold even for Chicago lakefront norms. Saturday wasn't bad but even Sunday was hit or miss weather wise. Still better than piping hot humidity, still a muddy mess. Certainly not hot nor warm. Liam was certainly a disappointment.
 

Songbird76

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My father was a darn good man, a SINGLE father that raised FOUR daughters ON HIS OWN. So I stand by my statement that it is not "always the mom" but thanks. When and if you have kids I hope your significant other does his share too or it will always be you.

But then again some in this thread shouldn't be judgmental to young mothers who have older boyfriends that adore their girlfriend's children either. ;)
I didn't mean "always" literally. And anyway, I was speaking only of my own experience. My father refused to do anything that had to do with the house or the children. My mom commented once that they were getting ready to go into town (we lived on a ranch) and she had me in one arm, the stroller and diaper bag in the other and she asked my dad if he could please grab something and his response was "What do I look like? A pack horse?" and proceeded to tell her that if it was for the children, it was HER job. For my 16th birthday, my father got me a cedar chest so I could start collecting linens and things that would eventually be my dowry. At 17, he got me an ironing board/step stool so I could "attend to my domestic responsibilities". When I was 14, he brought me to his lawyer so the lawyer could lecture me on how women don't belong in college because the only thing they need to go to college for is to find a husband and I would never actually graduate, and even if I DID some how miraculously make it through college and get a degree, that degree wouldn't be worth anything because I was female and the only jobs women were suited for were nurses, secretaries, and teachers, and only until they found a man to support them. My generalization was just that....it's a statement made about the general population...the most common. It's great that your dad was so involved, but that has not been the standard. I don't know that I have EVER seen an American father taking on the main nurturing role unless there was no mother in the picture. When there are 2 parents, it's generally the mother who takes on that role and the father only fills in when the mother isn't available. I'm sorry I offended you, but that's my experience and I stand by it. People don't usually mean things 100% literally when they make statements like the one I made. When you say "French people are so rude"...you don't mean every single French person. You don't KNOW every single French person...you are speaking of your general experience. And before you get offended that I'm saying "You", I don't mean YOU, I mean people...as in "One". When one says....
If everything one says is going to be nitpicked to death for spelling, grammatical, and word choice errors, I have no desire to be part of it. I could point out countless mistakes every day (the use of it's instead of its, there instead of their, lay instead of lie, etc) but what is the point of that? It certainly doesn't make for a very nice atmosphere here and the point of this thread is supposed to be friendly chat about Disney and our lives. It's supposed to be a FUN place. I'm not going to start parsing people's sentences to find possible insults in the subtext. My comment was in no way directed at you or anyone you know and was not meant as a literal "always". Now can we please get back to friendly chit chat instead of verbally swiping at everyone and taking offense at everything?
 

Figgy1

Well-Known Member
I just screamed and jumped up out of my chair -- turns out, there was only an imaginary bug on my arm. Initially, what I did not see, was a strand of hair that fell from my head and touched upon my arm--but the air from the fan nearby pushed the hair down my arm, making it feel like something was CRAWLING . . . :eek: on my arm. Once I realized it was just a strand of hair, I calmed down.

Also, I called the dog back into the room--he had bolted out of there! :D He can't cope when I freak out--I must always be cool, calm and collected for him. :rolleyes: :hilarious:
As well you should be:p
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
Got a late Christmas present .... Star wars Glalactic Desert party :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

P.s. @Songbird76
We both know the French are rude ;)

Congratulations on getting the Star Wars Galactic Dessert Party! I think that should be fun. I'm normally not into those types of things, but with all the new Star Wars events, you'll be one of the first to experience it--also known as "bragging rights"!! :joyfull:
 

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