donaldtoo
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I give 'em no credit.
People with those kinds of blatant agendas, one way or the other, shouldn't be teaching anywhere without a disclaimer in the course description.
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I give 'em no credit.
People with those kinds of blatant agendas, one way or the other, shouldn't be teaching anywhere without a disclaimer in the course description.
StarWarsGirl
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I think she definitely changes. In the beginning of the movie, she was this sheltered little finishing school girl who is all set to be married to a wealthy man and lead the kind of life her mother led. Meanwhile, she is taught to look down on those who are beneath her. And she's incredibly scared to stand up for herself and basically say, "Hey, this is not what I want." She's so miserable and in such great fear that she tries to commit suicide. Then, enter Jack, who basically says, "This is what your life could be like." She comes to see that there's a lot of prejudice in her family. Her mother wanted to maintain their high class life, but Rose comes to realize that her mother is selfish a prejudice and that there's nothing really wrong with these people, and that they are just different. In many ways, she sees that they are better than the people she's been around her whole life. And in the end, she becomes stronger and less uptight, and definitely more independent. Basically, she goes from being obedient daughter who does as she's told whether or not it's right or fair to her to a strong, independent woman who fights for what she wants and doesn't stand for injustice.It's funny, 'cause I have always looked at the character of Rose as someone who didn't "change", per se, but as someone who finally acknowledged and joyfully accepted her real self. She was never made to seem comfortable with her original station in life. A change on the surface, yes, but, in her heart, she was always the later Rose, to me anyway.
And, I'm not agreeing with your prof, I just think it goes a little deeper than that.
While she always has qualities that always stay the same and some that were within her that she needed to have brought out, she does change because she grows up and becomes stronger. She also learns to develop her own ideals and values. So yes, she does change in the film.
donaldtoo
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StarWarsGirl
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ajrwdwgirl
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I liked the Ramona books too, actually any by Beverly Cleary were great.
donaldtoo
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I think she definitely changes. In the beginning of the movie, she was this sheltered little finishing school girl who is all set to be married to a wealthy man and lead the kind of life her mother led. Meanwhile, she is taught to look down on those who are beneath her. And she's incredibly scared to stand up for herself and basically say, "Hey, this is not what I want." She's so miserable and in such great fear that she tries to commit suicide. Then, enter Jack, who basically says, "This is what your life could be like." She comes to see that there's a lot of prejudice in her family. Her mother wanted to maintain their high class life, but Rose comes to realize that her mother is selfish a prejudice and that there's nothing really wrong with these people, and that they are just different. In many ways, she sees that they are better than the people she's been around her whole life. And in the end, she becomes stronger and less uptight, and definitely more independent. Basically, she goes from being obedient daughter who does as she's told whether or not it's right or fair to her to a strong, independent woman who fights for what she wants and doesn't stand for injustice.
While she always has qualities that always stay the same and some that were within her that she needed to have brought out, she does change because she grows up and becomes stronger. She also learns to develop her own ideals and values. So yes, she does change in the film.
We'll agree to disagree, then.
I saw her from the beginning as someone who wasn't comfortable with her life as it existed, and would have eventually changed, with or without Jack.
StarWarsGirl
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If it had not been for Jack, she might have committed suicide. So...she might not have had a life. Or she would have married anyway and been abused. There are quite a few turns her life could have taken.We'll agree to disagree, then.
I saw her from the beginning as someone who wasn't comfortable with her life as it existed, and would have eventually changed, with or without Jack.
@JenniferS Care to weigh in? The discussion: Did Rose actually change in Titanic?
ajrwdwgirl
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I agree, even in my classroom when we talk about controversial issues, or if it is an election year, kids ask me what I believe or how I vote. I just tell them that it isn't my job to tell them what I think but it is my job to show them all sides of issues so they can decide and think for themselves.
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Yeah, I think I agree with you, @donaldtoo.It's funny, 'cause I have always looked at the character of Rose as someone who didn't "change", per se, but as someone who finally acknowledged and joyfully accepted her real self. She was never made to seem comfortable with her original station in life. A change on the surface, yes, but, in her heart, she was always the later Rose, to me anyway.
And, I'm not agreeing with your prof, I just think it goes a little deeper than that.
Inside, she was always Rose Dawson, burdened with the mantle of being Rose Dewitt Bukater.
She didn't really have to change, she just had to shed her chains.
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Sorry, I was posting at the same time as you.
See above.
ETA - I'll ask Son #1 what he thinks, when he gets out of the shower.
He has studied the film extensively, frame by frame, line by line. He has also read every JC commentary on the backstory of the characters.
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donaldtoo
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I know I'm, potentially, re-writing the script here, but she seems like the kind of woman that would never have gone through with it, regardless.
StarWarsGirl
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Love that store. Down to this day, that is the only place where I can find comfortable socks. They wear like Iron too. Fun store to browse too.
StarWarsGirl
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I'm thinking of reading Anne of Green Gables again. I have all of the books. Might take one or two to Hawaii with me.
donaldtoo
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There's a D i ck's in the same outdoor mall where the clothing store I occasionally work at is located.
StarWarsGirl
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That's a great stance to take. I applaud you for it.
I've only ever had one teacher tell us straight out what her political party was (which was none; she was not registered to vote). Other times, it seems that teachers make their beliefs clear. Freshman year I had this professor who gave us controversial topics to write about. I hated it because I'm not registered to vote and share my political opinions with no one except my mother. So having to share made me really uncomfortable. And then most of what I had to say he disagreed with, so he would shoot it down rather than looking at it from all sides of the issue.
Conversely, my high school chorus teacher never shared his views. He stuck to music, and I could never tell you his political opinions either way. After graduation, he friended all of his former students on Facebook. I came to find out that he was extremely political and extremely vocal about it outside of the classroom. Even though I don't agree with most of what he has to say, I respect him far more for keeping his political opinions completely out of the classroom. I had a teacher for three years, and she wrote my letters of recommendation for college. By the time the third year rolled around, I had a pretty good idea of her political standing, but only because I got to know her so well. She kept her ideals hidden from the majority of students. Far more respect, especially since in Journalism, you have to discuss controversial topics, and she kept opinions to herself.
MOXOMUMD
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Our first port on the cruise was Grand Turk. This is where John Glenn splashed down in 1962 and we were to tour the memoral and then visit Margaritaville and swimming which is right at the end of the pier. We woke up at 7 and turned on the room's tv. On one channel is the current weather and a map so you can see the track of the ship, another channel shows the main pool area and another is a camera mounted on the front of the ship. This one is always facing forward towards the ocean. Seeing on that channel we hadn't pulled into port yet (thinking the cruise was running behind schedule), we headed over to the breakfast buffet. (Our room was located on the Lido deck--pools, quick restaurants and buffet were all a short walk away. 
)We got a window seat and could see the island, blue skies, brilliant sunshine, white choppy water plus a Princess cruise ship not far away. No sooner had I started digging into my bacon (I told you this is a recurring theme here
)then over the P.A. the Captain says it was a beautiful day and welcome to Grand Turk. "Everyone wave hi to the island." (which we did 
) Then he went on to announce that due to rough waters, and two unsuccessful attempts, it was too hazardous to pull into the port. The ship would be in danger of being pushed against the dock. 
(The Princess ship's captain had decided they would also not be pulling into port.)We would be heading on to the Dominican Republic. Surprisingly everyone was taking it in stride (I mean honestly what could you do) and the staff really worked hard at adding extra activites since a majority of us were supposed to be off on shore excursions. We spent most of the day lounging and swimming in the two pools and hot tubs.
In late afternoon we learned dance parties aren't only held at Magic Kingdom.
During our afternoon swim, Cruise Director Matt and the nightclub dj started the music to teach line dances at the pool. At first it was fun since they did Electric Slide and ChaCha Slide but it soon worked my nerves and it was time to find lunch. Welcome to the Blue Iguana! 
In the morning they serve breakfast burritos but the remainder of the time it's unlimited tacos, tacos, tacos--chicken, pork and shrimp. Plus a salsa bar. Ohhh salsa bar.....how I miss you! 
The best flavor combo was fresh watermelon/jicama which was sweet but added a little heat with the added spices.
Tummies full we headed for a NAP.
Maybe it was all the fresh air or gentle motion of the ship or maybe for once in a very long time I felt unstressed and relaxed, but I napped a little every day of the trip.
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StarWarsGirl
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Was just reading an article online about most popular cat names. Now I'm just wondering...how the heck is my name (Missy) a more popular name for cats than my cat's name (Belle)?