The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

Lilofan

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Nope. People forget how to drive every. single. winter. I can't tell you how many SUVs and 4x4s I've passed in the ditch because they thought their vehicle could do things it can't.
That's similar to what I said. AWD/SUV drive in the same manner like there was no inclement weather. They don't slow down from what I see and some pay the price. I'm sure there are other AWD drivers that are more aware of the bad weather and drive accordingly and slow down. I've seen AWD vehicles take a turn at a high speed and spin out of control .
 

ImperfectPixie

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That's similar to what I said. AWD/SUV drive in the same manner like there was no inclement weather. They don't slow down from what I see and some pay the price. I'm sure there are other AWD drivers that are more aware of the bad weather and drive accordingly and slow down.
There are some, but not a lot. They're usually in the slow lane with people driving sedans. I'm not kidding though...the vast majority of people who drive AWD or 4x4 don't know how to use those features...I once had to pull an F250 out of a snowbank with my little 99' Isuzu Amigo 4x4 (great little truck...it kills me that they don't sell them in the US anymore).
 

Lilofan

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There are some, but not a lot. They're usually in the slow lane with people driving sedans. I'm not kidding though...the vast majority of people who drive AWD or 4x4 don't know how to use those features...I once had to pull an F250 out of a snowbank with my little 99' Isuzu Amigo 4x4 (great little truck...it kills me that they don't sell them in the US anymore).
Almost bought a new 99' Isuzu Rodeo manual transmission back in the day. Saw a number on the road that lasted many years with drivers that took care of them. Some Amigos manual transmission are still on the road in Puerto Rico where drivers just maintain them and buy parts when needed. Save the manuals! I like driving a stick because it makes me focus more on the road with my both my feet and hands working together and no one wants to drive my cars because my friends and family don't know how to drive a stick.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Almost bought a new 99' Isuzu Rodeo manual transmission back in the day. Saw a number on the road that lasted many years with drivers that took care of them. Some Amigos manual transmission are still on the road in Puerto Rico where drivers just maintain them and buy parts when needed. Save the manuals! I like driving a stick because it makes me focus more on the road with my both my feet and hands working together and no one wants to drive my cars because my friends and family don't know how to drive a stick.
Mine was a stick. Fully loaded, ragtop & sunroof. The thing that makes these little trucks so great though is they have a big V6, a truck ladder-style frame, the size of the wheels and wheel base, and the gear ratios. They have get-up-and-go to spare.
 

SteveBrickNJ

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Safety has come along way in the Northeast. When I visited NJ suburbs one winter, I think 3 out of every 4 cars on the road were AWD, with many SUVs. When I spent time there as a kid, the vehicles were RWD, FWD, and snow tires, and chains were the norm. Didn't have the opportunity of many AWD selections back in the day and I think drivers were more careful on the roads because of what they were driving. When the weather turns bad when in the area recently I just see that the some of the AWD drivers drive like there was no inclement weather , and the FWD and even some RWD Mustangs, Camaros drive in a slower manner.
Yes I agree. I wish people would slow down a bit no matter what they are driving.
 

SteveBrickNJ

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Nope. People forget how to drive every. single. winter. I can't tell you how many SUVs and 4x4s I've passed in the ditch because they thought their vehicle could do things it can't.
4 wheel drive DOES offer more stability...but NOT INVINCIBILITY!
People who end up in a ditch (as @Lilofan stated) drove like they would drive on a dry summer day. On icy/snowy or slushy roads, you have to adjust and use common sense caution!
 

ImperfectPixie

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4 wheel drive DOES offer more stability...but NOT INVINCIBILITY!
People who end up in a ditch (as @Lilofan stated) drove like they would drive on a dry summer day.
They're wrong!
People think you can use AWD or 4x4 on ice...nope. All you have then is 4 wheels spinning instead of 2...it's actually way worse. You're better off with rear-wheel drive than 4x4 in icy conditions.
 

SteveBrickNJ

Well-Known Member
People think you can use AWD or 4x4 on ice...nope. All you have then is 4 wheels spinning instead of 2...it's actually way worse. You're better off with rear-wheel drive than 4x4 in icy conditions.
Well what do you mean by ON ICE?
I drive my Mazda CX-9 All Wheel Drive vehicle on roads that are icy. I go slowly and I am always fine.
If I drove to the US Canadian Border I would not drive my Mazda ON Lake Michigan.
Never ON a frozen pond.
Yet on icy roads, I....Steve...I am personally fine as I drive with common sense caution ;):cool:
 

ImperfectPixie

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Well what do you mean by ON ICE?
I drive my Mazda CX-9 All Wheel Drive vehicle on roads that are icy. I go slowly and I am always fine.
If I drove to the US Canadian Border I would not drive my Mazda ON Lake Michigan.
Never ON a frozen pond.
Yet on icy roads, I....Steve...I am personally fine as I drive with common sense caution ;):cool:
My favorite is people who tailgate when there's black ice. Driving a stick, I have way more control over my speed than someone driving an automatic. I once had someone try to blame ME because SHE rear-ended me after sliding on black ice...and she'd been tailgating me.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Well what do you mean by ON ICE?
I drive my Mazda CX-9 All Wheel Drive vehicle on roads that are icy. I go slowly and I am always fine.
If I drove to the US Canadian Border I would not drive my Mazda ON Lake Michigan.
Never ON a frozen pond.
Yet on icy roads, I....Steve...I am personally fine as I drive with common sense caution ;):cool:
Oh! And a lot of people don't understand that you can down-shift in an automatic, too. That's saved my behind a couple of times.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Well what do you mean by ON ICE?
I drive my Mazda CX-9 All Wheel Drive vehicle on roads that are icy. I go slowly and I am always fine.
If I drove to the US Canadian Border I would not drive my Mazda ON Lake Michigan.
Never ON a frozen pond.
Yet on icy roads, I....Steve...I am personally fine as I drive with common sense caution ;):cool:
One can drive on ice safely as long as they never have to make an evasive move. Once you hit your breaks or corner faster then the minor amount of friction can handle it, I don't care if you have 50 wheel drive, they are all going out of control. Most winter accidents happen the second one touches the brakes. They had to do that because they were driving to fast and had to slow down for a corner or another vehicle in the way.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Exactly! My SIL had to drive home in the ice last year and ended up hitting a guard rail. He was in a 4 x4. Nothing goes on ice.
My DH puts chains on his truck to get around in ice.
Probably the biggest help, but still no guarantee. Chains tend to break up the ice and allow the chains or tires to grip the road itself. Chains have been outlawed on many states because of the damage it does to the roads. Once again, money more important then human lives.
 

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