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Songbird76

Songbird76

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Lilofan said:
What's being reported by the media is only half the story. The residents in NYC are really going through very rough times.
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Yeah, I'm sure. If our media in Europe is covering the US outbreak more than they are covering our own, it's got to be bad. And it's not over yet. South Korea is seeing a reactivation of viruses in people who have already recovered, at least according to the news. Everyone has said just like any virus, you can only get it once, but if it can reactivate, even in only a small number of cases, along with new cases coming in, that doesn't bode well. And of the 600 positive tests on that,...what was it, a naval ship? 60% were asymptomatic, so opening things back up could really make us see a huge rise in the number of cases if so many don't even realize they have it and they end up spreading it far and wide. I'm not ready to rejoice that we're at the tail end of it yet, because I'm not at all sure we are.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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StarWarsGirl said:
I have an aunt and an uncle who are both doctors. My aunt doesn't work with patients at all; she's a pathologist. She went into it because she finds the work interesting, but she'd rather not have to talk to people all day. She calls herself a lab rat. My uncle sees pediatric patients, but he primarily is a research professor now. Neither of them is on the front lines.

Still, can you really blame them? This entire situation is bringing out what a thankless profession being a doctor is. The doctors are warning everyone to stay home. Some listen, and others completely ignore the situation. Those on the front lines go home exhausted, stressed, and with their own lives in danger, maybe having saved some lives, but knowing there's some lives that they can't save. Worse, there's no end in sight for them. Even when we do start reopening, there's the possibility of a resurgence until they get a vaccine out and about. And when things don't go right, who gets the blame? The doctors and healthcare professionals. Not to mention the piles and piles of paperwork involved that get in the way of them actually doing their jobs.

Which would make someone who is smart enough to be a doctor start seriously questioning whether they have the emotional capacity to deal with all of this. Can't say I'd blame them.
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Over here, they took all the pregnant doctors and nurses and put them in non-covid 19 departments to prevent them from getting sick. Somehow a 28 year old pregnant nurse in England died of corona and she wasn't even in a covid 19 department. The doctors were able to save the baby with an emergency c-section before the nurse died, but they couldn't save her. She wasn't working with corona patients because she was pregnant....she was in a protected category of healthcare workers, and she still didn't make it. I think it would make a lot of potential healthcare workers contemplate their decision. For some, it might give a new determination. For others, it might change their minds.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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Gabe1 said:
I saw a post this post from an acquaintance of mine.

I’m going to the hospital to retrieve my dead husband, an ER Doctor.

Whenever someone says it is not so bad they are not living in this ladies shoes.
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Well, that's the thing....I think it's all perspective. It's easy to say "It's not so bad" when you haven't lost anyone and you still have a good job, etc. From your perspective, it's not so bad for you. But just like ANYTHING in this world, there are a LOT of different people with many different perspectives. One cancer patient catches it early and they get rid of it without invasive procedures. For another, they endure months of chemo and radiation, are extremely sick, and don't make it. Is one perspective more valid than another? 2 kids going to school....one is popular, the other gets bullied. The popular kid thinks high school is the best time of their lives....the other wants to die rather than go to school for one more day. Whose perspective is "right"? We have to be empathetic and compassionate to those who are the most stronly affected by this virus. I'm extremely lucky. I live in a country where I won't have to make a choice of paying my mortgage and food or getting medical treatment if I get sick, my husband and I both have jobs and are still working our regular hours at regular pay, we all (kids, too) have our own laptops on which to work on school or work or just have fun, so we're not forced to share a device to do what we need to do. There are families with 4 kids all sharing one computer to do their schoolwork. There was a story on the news yesterday about a kid in Italy who doesn't have internet at home, so his mom has to drive him to a spot on a hill somewhere where he can connect to the internet for school, and he sits in the middle of a road in the middle of nowhere for school...he can't go if it rains. I don't have to deal with any of that...so it would be easy for me to say that it's not that bad, but you can't really judge that by my situation, because there are so many for whom it really IS bad. It's all about your perspective and how hard it's hitting you and people you know. If you don't see anyone struggling, you WOULD think it's not bad.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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Goofyernmost said:
You're probably right, but when I go to a doctor I want one that is in it because they seriously want to help people. All will have a hope for riches for doing their job correctly, but if money and prestige is the only real motivation, then I would just as soon that they stayed home and brought in someone that really wanted to make a difference. I suppose that is asking to much, but I can dream can't I?
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Well, some people just aren't cut out for it, I guess. I mean, I wish I could save lives and help people....I'd love to do that. But I almost passed out when they reset the bone in my son's wrist when he broke it. I almost passed out when I cut my pinky. I don't do well with injuries, so being a doctor or nurse just isn't in the cards for me, no matter how much I want to help people. So I have to find other ways to do that. If someone else is willing to do the hard stuff that I can't do, I'm not really picky about why they went into their profession, as long as they know what they are doing. Sure, I want a doc with a good bedside manner, but that won't do me much good if he/she doesn't know their stuff.
 
MinnieM123

MinnieM123

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Lilofan said:
I have friends and family that are living through this in NYC. They would all strongly disagree with you. NYC hospitals are actually recruiting RNs to relocate to NYC to work in the NYC hospitals - 13 weeks for $36K. They really need the help.
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MA is # 3 in the nation for cases and deaths. All our hospitals and convention center field hospital (1,000 beds) are in SURGE now, and have been for the past 2 weeks or so. I've kept in touch with a few people I used to work with at one of the larger hospitals in the city, and they are flat out, exhausted, stressed, you name it. Some hospital buildings have been retrofitted into complete ICUs. That's a staggering point, just in itself.

I don't think that (some) people who are outside of our area can comprehend the horror of the situation.
 
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MinnieM123 said:
MA is # 3 in the nation for cases and deaths. All our hospitals and convention center field hospital (1,000 beds) are in SURGE now, and have been for the past 2 weeks or so. I've kept in touch with a few people I used to work with at one of the larger hospitals in the city, and they are flat out, exhausted, stressed, you name it. Some hospital buildings have been retrofitted into complete ICUs. That's a staggering point, just in itself.

I don't think that (some) people who are outside of our area can comprehend the horror of the situation.
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That's true Minnie. Some of the critics are the ones who don't think it's so bad and are not there in the impacted areas to really see real time situations.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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MinnieM123 said:
MA is # 3 in the nation for cases and deaths. All our hospitals and convention center field hospital (1,000 beds) are in SURGE now, and have been for the past 2 weeks or so. I've kept in touch with a few people I used to work with at one of the larger hospitals in the city, and they are flat out, exhausted, stressed, you name it. Some hospital buildings have been retrofitted into complete ICUs. That's a staggering point, just in itself.

I don't think that (some) people who are outside of our area can comprehend the horror of the situation.
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Our hotspot area over here is North Brabant and for some reason they had HUNDREDS of cases when most of the country only had a handful. They had to start converting school gymnasiums, convention centers, etc into testing centers and they had to send some ICU patients to other hospitals because they couldn't keep up with the demand. There just weren't enough beds because they had to keep the covid 19 patients separate from other ICU patients, and the covid cases typically last longer. I think they said average ICU stay is normally 10 days, but the covid cases could take 4 weeks or more, so they didn't have a turnover for the beds....they came in and just stayed there, so they ran out of beds. And that's just in one province in a tiny country. I can't even imagine some of the places like New York. I know they said they brought in a military hospital ship in New York, didn't they? To take some of the pressure off the hospitals that were overflowing?
 
MinnieM123

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Songbird76 said:
Our hotspot area over here is North Brabant and for some reason they had HUNDREDS of cases when most of the country only had a handful. They had to start converting school gymnasiums, convention centers, etc into testing centers and they had to send some ICU patients to other hospitals because they couldn't keep up with the demand. There just weren't enough beds because they had to keep the covid 19 patients separate from other ICU patients, and the covid cases typically last longer. I think they said average ICU stay is normally 10 days, but the covid cases could take 4 weeks or more, so they didn't have a turnover for the beds....they came in and just stayed there, so they ran out of beds. And that's just in one province in a tiny country. I can't even imagine some of the places like New York. I know they said they brought in a military hospital ship in New York, didn't they? To take some of the pressure off the hospitals that were overflowing?
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N.Y. had a few overflow areas in case they needed them (ship, Javits Center, medical tents in Central Park, etc.). They haven't used every bed and hopefully will not have to. (Better to have at some extra, if needed.) This is still a very fluid, daily situation.
 
Goofyernmost

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StarWarsGirl said:
They go through the exact same training. They all have MDs. My uncle, before he started focusing primarily on research, performed pediatric neurosurgery, and did residency at the ER. The only difference is they're not at the front lines right now. We don't exactly have a shortage of doctors here. I'm glad for their sakes that they have reduced work schedules; they have a four year old.
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It doesn't matter, I went through the same early basic schooling as Einstein, but that didn't make me Einstein. Utilization of those direct healing skills is what makes them different. Research is important and definitely is life saving as well, so I still have to ask, if you didn't want to be involved with real people, then you become a doctor that does research not just decide that there was no reason to be an MD other then the big house and ability to give out yachts as tips. This is still a choice. Those people now see that being a doctor isn't like General Hospital and it involves real blood and real danger. Why wouldn't someone know that ahead of time.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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MinnieM123 said:
N.Y. had a few overflow areas in case they needed them (ship, Javits Center, medical tents in Central Park, etc.). They haven't used every bed and hopefully will not have to. (Better to have at some extra, if needed.) This is still a very fluid, daily situation.
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Yeah, they showed the ship on our news over here, and I THINK they said the same military group that outfitted that ship for Corona was hired here to turn the gymnasiums and such into corona centers. They had an interview with the head guy from that group....he was speaking American English, so he must be someone in the US military. But he was talking about how they choose the places that are suitable and can be quickly converted, what they have to do, and how many different types of conversions there are. So they come in with their 6 different types or something and they tell the government "Here are the structures that can be converted using this plan or that one, and here's what you need to do it" and suddenly we could accommodate like 18,000 more people to be tested? I think that's what they said. But the biggest issue here now is the lack of face masks and protective equipment. They had a kid on yesterday using his 3D printer to make clips for facemasks that let doctors and nurses adjust their masks, and they've been showing kids in other countries making visors and such with their 3D printers. When you have to rely on 13 year olds to produce the PPE, it's a pretty sad state....awesome that there are 13 year olds able and willing to contribute, but sad that we have to ask them to.
 
MySmallWorldof4

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StarWarsGirl said:
Schools are closed here until May 15 at least. Idk when our governor plans to reopen. With being so close to DC, it's reasonable to think it will be a slower process. Our cases are centered around the DC metro area. I think we're at 10,000+ in the state.
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Wolf is coming out with his plan Monday. I tried to listen to the whole speech, but couldn’t. He irritates me.
 

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