George Lucas on a Bench
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Wait, they got rid of the classic ice crystal scene?? What the? What a heinous change. The new effects do look awesome, but:
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RandomPrincess
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I like the changes at least what we have seen in pictures and video.
I wish they hadn't removed the crystals. Then again, we haven't seen a full ride-through yet, so maybe the crystals are there somewhere.
I noticed the numbers on the Skyway buckets and sleds...59, 72, and 13. 1959, the year Matterhorn opened, 1972, possibly the year Matterhorn became a Fantasyland attraction, and 2013, possibly in reference to the last mega refurb, before this one.
I noticed the numbers on the Skyway buckets and sleds...59, 72, and 13. 1959, the year Matterhorn opened, 1972, possibly the year Matterhorn became a Fantasyland attraction, and 2013, possibly in reference to the last mega refurb, before this one.
Nland316
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I mean, I guess it will just take some time getting used to. I'm not a fan of Kim Irvine's work in general. Small World, The 50th castle overlay, Club 33, and now the Matterhorn. Her work comes off as gaudy and just really forced. She does more bad than good to attractions.
I'm not a fan of Kim Irvine's ideas either, but this is not too bad, especially when compared to the other "fixes." There's a Skyway bucket, an old sled, and an alphorn. At least these are connected to the Matterhorn in some way or another, unlike the other atrocities and their "hosts."
George Lucas on a Bench
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I'll have to judge it in person, but I'm already expecting to prefer the old crystal scene to this. Did they actually remove the Frank Wells tribute?
"Celebration" has been added:
Also, Pan's walls are down, though there's a curtain hiding the loading station:
https://twitter.com/mintcrocodile
The lettering on the Pan marquee appears to be different.
lazyboy97o
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My problem though is it is this same "Disney" nonsense where nothing really new can be added to the parks. The original attractions are being overlaid with more and more self reference, emphasizing the fakeness of the experience. There is just something heartbreaking about those who guide Disneyland being stuck in a postmodern existential crisis that only ever more encourages the destructive notions of escapism.
I feel you, trust me, I'd rather have Matterhorn and the others the way they were. In saying that, I was expecting the worst for Matterhorn, and, to me, it turned out better than I expected. Still, I'd rather Disney not continue with the self referencing.
GiveMeTheMusic
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I hope Kim Irvine isn't involved in the Peter Pan redo. While I respect her heritage, the projects she's spearheaded have been almost uniformly wrongheaded. Management is as much to blame - they don't know their own product so they can't make educated decisions.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Kim Irvine is also the face of the Leota knockoff in HMH! I kinda hate her. Yet, she was involved with Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln 2009 reopening...
disneylandfan95
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She was the interior decorator under the guidance of show producer/creative director Tony Baxter... The new Lincoln show is Baxter's doing, without a doubt.
TP2000
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Wouldn't it be great if that's all they did during this six month rehab? Just redo the lettering on that little queue sign?
Wouldn't it be great if that's all they did during this six month rehab? Just redo the lettering on that little queue sign?
I don't even think I'd be mad if Disney pulled a trick like that. I'd probably laugh.
dweezil78
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I think it's hard not to with certain attractions that, they themselves, have become so iconic and historical landmarks over the years -- as much as or even more than the original thing they were trying to transport guests to. Disneyland is a tricky tricky beast. These attractions are so beloved that they wouldn't dare remove them (look at the outrage over losing a courtyard!) so the best they can do is plus them up in a way that makes them fresh and also acknowledges their heritage.
Even with Lincoln... It's not just portrayed as a look at our 16th president, but also a tribute to the pioneering work by WED at the 64/65 World's Fair.
I really like the new Matterhorn additions. The crowd that visits Disneyland in 2015 is not the same one that visited in 1959. People ride the Matterhorn knowing they're going for a ride on a classic, painful, Disney coaster that's over 50 years old -- not sledding around the Alps. The fact that they're referencing the attraction's long and meaningful place in the park feels just fine to me and is way more fun than a handful of crystals! Hopefully they do keep Frank's tribute somewhere in there though, feels wrong to just remove it.
Yes, as I said earlier, I like Harold's clutter. Sometimes the self-referencing does go too far though, like the Disney characters in small world. The clutter is a nice throwback that was done tastefully and not over the top. I like it. I said this in the other thread, I was hoping they'd put in a Skyway bucket and an old sled, which is what they did. I'm happy with that part, but I'm still really upset about the current sleds.
TP2000
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The Wells Expedition set was a subtle tribute to a man 99% of 21st century Disneyland visitors had never heard of. And I've always thought it was kind of a creepy way to honor a dead man who was tragically killed in a helicopter skiing accident on an icy mountain in 1994.
And my neighbor who works in TDA has said that Frank Wells was a prickly and stuffy man to be around; he never agreed with the casual first name culture of Disney and on his occasional visits to the park he insisted underlings address him as "Mr. Wells" instead of Frank.
(Frank Wells was Disney's President, Eisner's second in command, from 1984 to 1994. He was killed in a helicopter crash on a spring ski holiday in '94.)
But this new collection of skyway buckets and old bobsleds that the Abominable Snowman has stashed in that icy cavern is instantly relevant to most Disneyland visitors. It's also funnier.
And my neighbor who works in TDA has said that Frank Wells was a prickly and stuffy man to be around; he never agreed with the casual first name culture of Disney and on his occasional visits to the park he insisted underlings address him as "Mr. Wells" instead of Frank.
(Frank Wells was Disney's President, Eisner's second in command, from 1984 to 1994. He was killed in a helicopter crash on a spring ski holiday in '94.)
But this new collection of skyway buckets and old bobsleds that the Abominable Snowman has stashed in that icy cavern is instantly relevant to most Disneyland visitors. It's also funnier.
lazyboy97o
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That Disneyland guests are now somehow not interested in immersive experiences is the identity crisis. There is nothing that creates a richer experience by constantly going meta. It highlights a lack of desires that go beyond the known, the exact sort of crassness that Disneyland was long accused of promoting. Reinforcing what people already know in a place where they all get together and feel proud for knowing their one little thing.The Wells Expedition set was a subtle tribute to a man 99% of 21st century Disneyland visitors had never heard of. And I've always thought it was kind of a creepy way to honor a dead man who was tragically killed in a helicopter skiing accident on an icy mountain in 1994.
And my neighbor who works in TDA has said that Frank Wells was a prickly and stuffy man to be around; he never agreed with the casual first name culture of Disney and on his occasional visits to the park he insisted underlings address him as "Mr. Wells" instead of Frank.
(Frank Wells was Disney's President, Eisner's second in command, from 1984 to 1994. He was killed in a helicopter crash on a spring ski holiday in '94.)
But this new collection of skyway buckets and old bobsleds that the Abominable Snowman has stashed in that icy cavern is instantly relevant to most Disneyland visitors. It's also funnier.
PorterRedkey
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Why would they do that? If it is gone that is just sad.