Teen denied entry to AK for outfit....

disneyrcks

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I think maybe people did not read what I wrote. She is not right at all. I blame her parents because there is no way she notified the media herself. Yes she is 15. I am sure someday she will regret this because she is a 15 year old girl. She is not thinking clearly. Her and her family will be made a fool of if they try to sue. I just will not bash a child, I will not be an adult and ridicule a child. I will ridicule the hell out of her parents but this 15 year old does not understand the gravity of what she is doing. I will not be the adult who ridicules a teenager (who is pretty much a child). It is so messed up to me that grown men on this board will call this girl names. She is 15! She is still classified as a child. Are you so into Disney that you would verbally abuse a 15 year old girl for doing wrong to Disney?
 

disneyrcks

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Do you think disney called the local media to alert them what happened? It was this girl and her family. She put herself into the limelight.

No, I think I said I am sure it was her parents who alerted the media. But in case you could not be bothered to read it, I will again say, it was not the 15 year old that alerted the media, it was her parents. Her parents are the ones I will blame. But again if you as a grown man, want to judge and insult a 15 year old girl, then go ahead.
 

fosse76

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To be clear, I don't think employees should be written up for enforcing policies, but I do think they should be written up if they're being a jerk. I don't necessarily believe her story, but if a CM was really going out of their way to "yell" at them, they should be written up.
I have a hard time believing that is what happened at all. For what purpose would the CM have to yell at her? The claim is beyond ridiculous. In general, security are not there to put on a happy face, and in every setting security treat people differently than a regular employee would treat someone. That's their job.

Enforcing policy would be denying entry to the park, going into a room where people are just sitting there to rant to them about the issue while doing absolutley nothing constructive isn't enforcing policy.
I am not sure what you mean? The only reason to put her in a room with other CMs, in my guestimation, is because she was already making a big enough scene in front of other guests. No business, from a theme park to a department store, will let that linger on if they feel the guest isn't going to stop. Taking her backstage to let her rant was an obvious step. And how do you know they weren't doing anything constructive?

I'm not justifying the people's actions, but am saying you have to treat the case as they're telling the truth. It's their word vs the CM's until some sort of proof comes out.
That's absurd. For me to believe her, the story would have to make sense. None of it makes any sense. In our judicial system, it is the accuser that has the burden of proof for his oir her claim, not the defendant. And as I have said, her claim is so unbelievable I have no faith that she is even remotely telling the truth. And I am usually the first one to step in and defend a plaintiff against Disney!

While it might be the "in" thing here to automatically take the CM's side, that's not how business works. Disney has to take the matter seriously since they are accusing a CM of yelling at them. Even if the people are lying, it's a serious matter on Disney's end.
No doubt there. I am sure they have incident reports to review as well as additional interviews with the CMs involved. I wonder if there is any security video of any of the interactions. Body language from the CMs can also be analyzed.

I also doubt that Disney did anything wrong. As I said before, unless she was a security threat, Disney couldn't force her to stay there legally. Could have there been a slip up on Disney's end? Absolutely. Likely? No. I've been shocked before, so it is possible that something did happen. Regardless, Disney has to take the accusation seriously. It would help if the incident was on camera.
I would just be very surprised.

If for any reason the people were told they couldn't leave, there's a big mess on Disney's hands. Chances are the people are just being stupid, but Disney has to review the actions taken by its employees in the unlikely event something was mishandled.
I agree. But I just don't find that believable. Presumably, they may have said she couldn't leave until her parent-guardian showed up (which, unless they planned on having her arrested, is still illegal). She may have misheard what they said and misinterpreted it to mean she can't leave. Most likely they kept repeating to her that they would not let her in the park unless she changed. All she heard was "you can't leave until you change."

After hearing both sides of the story, I don't think there's denying that Disney could have handeled things better (and better being the key word, there's always room for improvement, even at the house of the mouse).
I don't agree. Other than letting her in the park while costumed, what else could they have done better? We don't know the veracity of her claims to even make the assumptio that Disney could have handled this better. I agree with others that this was a girl who is probably very spoiled and accustomed to getting her way, and had a mental breakdown when she was told "no."
 

mousehockey37

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No, I think I said I am sure it was her parents who alerted the media. But in case you could not be bothered to read it, I will again say, it was not the 15 year old that alerted the media, it was her parents. Her parents are the ones I will blame. But again if you as a grown man, want to judge and insult a 15 year old girl, then go ahead.

This whole thing is just showing how society is. This girls parents are failing to see that their "perfect little angel" was wrong. Since we now live in the world of no accountability, the parents are going to sue Disney for enforcing their rules.

As a former public school teacher, I used to see this happen like 10x a day. Example: Little John doesn't do well on a test and he fails that assignment. John goes home, tells his parents and the parents get all upset. They call the school, demand to know why he failed, why the teacher is out to get their kid, etc. When the teacher produces all the info showing that the kid had plenty of time to get ready for the test, the parents then come up with some stupid excuse of "he was sick" "his grandparents are ill/were in town/etc" to try and get the kid a redo on the test. When the school doesn't bend, the parents will then get their attorney, alert media, etc... All because the parents didn't check to make sure that John was prepared for school.

Too many parents want to be best friends to their kids. They don't want to be the "bad guy". So instead of the parents making sure that she's learning a lesson out of this (apparently they haven't researched anything otherwise the media wouldn't need be involved), they're going to be her "buddy" and just basically blindly go and seek actions against Disney cause they're little angel got stopped for violating policy.

As for this girl, if she's using facebook to spread all this lying filth that changes everyday, I hope that Disney has it all tracked and printed out so that they can use that against her. It'll be fun to see her squirm on the stand with "umm's" and blank stares as the Disney lawyers read right out of their rules about adults in costumes.
 

mousehockey37

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This is a teenage girl we are talking about. I am not surprised that she had an overly emotional reaction or dressed this way to impress her boyfriend. She is 15!!! She is not an adult. I agree that this whole story is ridiculous and I am surprised it made the news. However, she is a young girl. She does not deserve the crap that is being handed to her by many of you. If you need to blame someone, blame her parents. They are the ones who made this news and they are the ones who will make the decision to file suit. She should have followed the rules and not be surprised when she could not enter because it violated the company's private rules. I just hope some of you remember that you are talking about a girl here. Not an adult, not a woman, a young teenage girl. Because I really think it is sad how some are so quick to verbally attack a teenager.

15 years old is adult in certain scenarios. In this case, she's adult enough to know that if she wants to do something "special" that she should check and make sure it will be ok first.

What happens if next year she gets in a car and something happens? Is she a child then? Depending on the severity of whatever could happen, she can and would be charged as an adult (I wish nothing like this on anyone, I'm just using this as an example).
 

RSoxNo1

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Apparently someone dressed as the wicked queen showed up at Snow White's closing and all Disney did was ask that they don't pose for photos.
 

flavious27

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No, I think I said I am sure it was her parents who alerted the media. But in case you could not be bothered to read it, I will again say, it was not the 15 year old that alerted the media, it was her parents. Her parents are the ones I will blame. But again if you as a grown man, want to judge and insult a 15 year old girl, then go ahead.

I am judging why people do stupid things like this and then call the media. This is a mix of the usual florida nonsense with a bit of a lack of common sense and then a dose of absence of person responsibility.
 

mollydtt

Member
Just for the record--When Disney cast members said "You look too good" that was just being kind and trying to not hurt her feelings. I'm sure she didn't look THAT good, but adult enough that she would besmirch the image of Tinkerbell.
Secondly, have you SEEN how expensive the t-shirts and other clothes are? Free clothing? That is more than generous. (although, yes, Disney wholesale costs are probably pretty reasonable)

So--Disney was trying to not hurt her feelings by telling her the truth, and they already had the rule in place. They weren't trying to invent some artificial way to keep her from the park. And then, free clothes!!

She needs to grow up and be grateful that she was ALLOWED to get into the other park.
 

tsaintc

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First, I cannot believe that this thread is still open. Secondly, I cannot believe that I am posting to it. . .

Disney has established and published a very clear set of terms and conditions related to dress code within the theme parks; it can be found here:

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/theme-parks/#subCategory8

They have also given you the privilege to purchase tickets based on these terms. If you choose to not honor these terms, they have defined their rights and potential course of action as well.

Disney made more than a reasonable effort to address this issue.
 

mousehockey37

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Apparently someone dressed as the wicked queen showed up at Snow White's closing and all Disney did was ask that they don't pose for photos.

Apparently she must not have looked that close to the wicked queen. If you can find a photo of her please post it, but in the video, this particular girl who was stopped, yes, you could tell she wasn't the real Tink, but it was pretty close. Close enough that it caught the attention of security.
 

mousehockey37

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They have also given you the privilege to purchase tickets based on these terms. If you choose to not honor these terms, they have defined their rights and potential course of action as well.

Disney made more than a reasonable effort to address this issue.

I say if the family goes for a lawsuit, then Disney should reinforce their policy, which we all know, and say that they gave a more than fair compensation and if the girl and her family lose, then they just get added to the Disney "Never allowed in Disney parks again" list.

Ultimately I think that could be the end result. But, it seems that this girl and her family need a big wake up call, and that just may be what they need. Yes, it would be harsh, but she broke the rules, got called out, cried about it, was still given stuff for her trouble and is still making a stink about it? Yeah. I think if they banned the family for life, that might just be good enough.
 

allgiggles

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mousehockey37

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It's a tough call with this particular picture (lady as wicked queen). I can see that there are similarities, but there are 2 things that must've let her slide. IMO, the fact that this was the day that the Snow White ride closed is one, and her daughter is dressed up as Snow White next to her is the other. Is that why she was allowed in like that, I dunno.

Back to Tink though. Her and her boyfriend are pretty close to the age of the real Peter and Tink in the parks. The girl went all out to get as close as she could. There was nothing special going on that Disney could've let her slide by.

Is that the case? Like I said, I don't know, but there was something that let one by and not the other.
 

Captain Chaos

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It's a tough call with this particular picture (lady as wicked queen). I can see that there are similarities, but there are 2 things that must've let her slide. IMO, the fact that this was the day that the Snow White ride closed is one, and her daughter is dressed up as Snow White next to her is the other. Is that why she was allowed in like that, I dunno.

Back to Tink though. Her and her boyfriend are pretty close to the age of the real Peter and Tink in the parks. The girl went all out to get as close as she could. There was nothing special going on that Disney could've let her slide by.

Is that the case? Like I said, I don't know, but there was something that let one by and not the other.

These words: (and which may result in refusal of admittance)

Disney doesn't say they will 100% of the time deny entry... But they MAY deny entry... Just cause one gets through doesn't mean all will.. and just cause one is denied doesn't mean all will be... it is a slippery slope, but that word MAY saves Disney, in a way...
 

mousehockey37

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These words: (and which may result in refusal of admittance)

Disney doesn't say they will 100% of the time deny entry... But they MAY deny entry... Just cause one gets through doesn't mean all will.. and just cause one is denied doesn't mean all will be... it is a slippery slope, but that word MAY saves Disney, in a way...

Good point. So essentially the family is going to challenge the ruling of the word "may". This will then break into something bigger as to who is in charge of making the decision to refuse entry and so on and so forth. All this may do is just make Disney tighten up their rules as to people entering in costume (basically limiting it to the Halloween and Christmas parties) who are adults (adults meaning people who are blatently not little kids).
 

lazyboy97o

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Good point. So essentially the family is going to challenge the ruling of the word "may". This will then break into something bigger as to who is in charge of making the decision to refuse entry and so on and so forth. All this may do is just make Disney tighten up their rules as to people entering in costume (basically limiting it to the Halloween and Christmas parties) who are adults (adults meaning people who are blatently not little kids).
I doubt there would be any meaningful changes to policy, regardless if a suit is filed. I think it was here that somebody stated, wanting to be a fairy or play dress up is not a protected class. This is not kicking out a Sikh for wanting to wear his turban in the parks. This is teenagers wearing a costume of Disney's intellectual property on Disney's privately owned property.
 

Captain Chaos

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I doubt there would be any meaningful changes to policy, regardless if a suit is filed. I think it was here that somebody stated, wanting to be a fairy or play dress up is not a protected class. This is not kicking out a Sikh for wanting to wear his turban in the parks. This is teenagers wearing a costume of Disney's intellectual property on Disney's privately owned property.

Exactly... And if this family was smart, if they were to sue, then they should have their lawyer questions enforcement of protecting their IP... Cause Disney is notorious for turning a blind eye one way but then attacking with full force somewhere else...
 

John

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Basically it is Disneys park and they really can enforce or not enforce whatever rule they want to as they deem fit. Disney deemed this young lady was to close to thier liking. Not to mention a little more risque then they were comfortable with. The family has no shot of winning any suit. As I have said in another post...Disney has a team of lawyers on retainer that would make Perry Mason look like a first year law student. Disney gets sued so many times they probably have a court room set aside for just Plantiff versus Disney cases,

The family has no basis for a suit....why because someone yelled at her? No one restrained her from leaving. I am sure if she didnt want to go backstage she would have been asked to leave the park. Escorted to the gate. They went above and beyond as some have mentioned and gave her free clothes to change into. Exactly what was her damages? DO we know if she changed clothes and continued her visit? She is just being a real Stinker Bell!
 

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