TEA Global Attendance Index is out

[Jrb1979]

Y

I just don’t think USH has the repeat value still. Locals who aren’t AP’s may have come out to check out SNW once, and that was enough… international or out of state likely the same.

I know our trip last year was enough. Did our one day at USH and we won’t be back there for many many many years, until something bigger happens.

You have Fast and Furious coaster opening soon

 

[Stripes]

You mean the 21 weekdays between August and September that start at $119/person (only at AK, and up from $109 in 2024) this year? Your statement is not true, but don't take my word for it. From Disney Tourist Blog:

"Based on what I’m seeing, there actually has not been a reduction of the cheapest dates, with 20+ over the last 5 or so years. Most weekdays in late August through September 2024 are still priced at the lowest level, which has been the case for a while, it’s just $10 more expensive."

Remind us when resort parking fees were implemented? Oh, that's right - 2018.

What about park hopping? $50 in 2018. How much is it these days? Well, I just happened to look at a one-day ticket next August, during one of those "lowest priced days". Adding Park Hopping will cost you... $197/ticket.

So, what you’re saying is that in 2026, I can pay as low as $139/ticket for one day at Magic Kingdom, but in 2019 the lowest was $109 plus a parking fee at the resort. And if I just have to have park hopping, it’ll be $197, an increase of $33 over 2019 ($164). And I’m supposed to be mad about this, especially given that the minimum wage at the resort increased by a higher percent than the minimum park hopping ticket price? I don’t think so.

However, I did recently pay $174 plus tax for a single park one-day ticket at Epic (cheapest ticket price is $139, same as MK). And my visit was plagued by the foul smell of the sewage treatment plant all day long.

Meanwhile, single day Disneyland tickets are going for as little as $104.

$104 Ticket Days at Disneyland in November 2025

Find out how to score $104 Disneyland tickets during the Halloween festivities this year, including a list of dates and how to book.

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

Y

You have Fast and Furious coaster opening soon

…saw it under construction in April and it actually looks really cool

Terrain coaster

 

[Disney Analyst]

Y

You have Fast and Furious coaster opening soon

Looks cool, but I wouldn't go out of my way to revisit the park just because of that.

 

[BrianLo]

Universal's declining number for 2023 and 2024 shouldn't be interesting because it is easy to explain. People saved money for Epic Universe. Universal has a youtube channel and they used in 2024 for promoting their new lands in Epic Universe. Also this year's numbers for Epic Universe shouldn't be read into either when they become available in 2026.

Universal will absolutely gain market share and deserves to gain market share. Epic is a wonderful albeit imperfect investment.

However, they’ve lost 3.1M to Disney since 2022 and Epic can’t handle much more than double that, all while the two original parks are still shedding attendance this year per the quarterlies. If I could go back and tell everyone in 2022 that Epic would maybe lead to a positive market share gain of ~(+)3M over Disney when it was fully rolled out, I would have been mercilessly ridiculed.

Universal’s investment struggles both from being capacity restricted for its demand and also causing price hikes at a rate that currently outstrips Disney by a significant margin. The downside of making a new gate is you want a lot more money charged for it. I have been laying the seeds of these reduced expectations for a number of years now on the Universal sub forum and the end result is lower than I anticipated. We could of course go back to pre-2020 and make a different case. But I think it gets hard to attribute those changes towards Pre/Post Epic run up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Looks cool, but I wouldn't go out of my way to revisit the park just because of that.

Nobody wants to believe it…but they figured out quite a while ago that NOBODY plans trips around new rides

In wdw the attendance just shifts…it doesn’t get a spike.

A new park…like epic?…might drive some
Travel.

But how often does that Happen?

Trick question the last new US park was California adventure prior…then IOA…then DAK…

Things don’t change much. Rides don’t cause spikes (other than maybe lightning lane)…you either got the money and inclination to go…or ya don’t

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Let me draw it out in crayon:

NO

ONE

EVER

Said - "The parks are empty" like you breathlessly claim. You really aren't good at context clues.

what’s the context, because I made sure to look at it and unless there’s something I’m misunderstanding along with the other posters who also stated the same, I’m pretty sure that it’s an incredibly shortsighted argument to make that no one ever said that statement

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Is that from Twitter? I was talking about here, special friend

And more specifically…there are many here with enough experience to ACTUALLY have an opinion on what crowd levels look like in the parks to have a reasonable level of confidence begin it…

Quote one of them, please

That was a direct screenshot from here, on this website. I blocked out the name because there’s no reason to pointlessly pull them into this when it’s something they said weeks ago

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That was a direct screenshot from here, on this website. I blocked out the name because there’s no reason to pointlessly pull them into this when it’s something they said weeks ago

There actually is a point…context

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

There actually is a point…context

Well it’s a direct quote and there’s a search function on this website

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

what’s the context, because I made sure to look at it and unless there’s something I’m misunderstanding along with the other posters who also stated the same, I’m pretty sure that it’s an incredibly shortsighted argument to make that no one ever said that statement

We can clear this up quickly and easily…
Show the whole post

 

[Disney Analyst]

Nobody wants to believe it…but they figured out quite a while ago that NOBODY plans trips around new rides

In wdw the attendance just shifts…it doesn’t get a spike.

A new park…like epic?…might drive some
Travel.

But how often does that Happen?

Trick question the last new US park was California adventure prior…then IOA…then DAK…

Things don’t change much. Rides don’t cause spikes (other than maybe lightning lane)…you either got the money and inclination to go…or ya don’t

I mean, I’m sure it helps with bringing locals in, and a temporary boost… but as an international tourist, I know it’s not a factor for me. When I’m ready to get back to Disneyland, it’s because the time is right, and it’s the trip I want, at that time. If that lines up with new offerings, great! But won’t be the reason I book.

Especially when I’d rather wait until something’s been around a bit longer before visiting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well it’s a direct quote and there’s a search function on this website

I don’t think I’ve ever tried to search the body of a text…just the thread titles and user names…

But I’ll try it…thanks!

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I don’t think I’ve ever tried to search the body of a text…just the thread titles and user names…

But I’ll try it…thanks!

No need, it’s okay. I got the post back

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I mean, I’m sure it helps with bringing locals in, and a temporary boost… but as an international tourist, I know it’s not a factor for me. When I’m ready to get back to Disneyland, it’s because the time is right, and it’s the trip I want, at that time. If that lines up with new offerings, great! But won’t be the reason I book.

Especially when I’d rather wait until something’s been around a bit longer before visiting.

New rides are very effective in increasing the frequency of visits at local parks…honoring largely on a “yearly pass” model.

It won’t move the needle on a weeklong,
$10,000 trip to a Disney or universal complex

 

[wdwfan4ver]

Uni being down by that much, especially Hollywood, should be concerning for them. The fact that USJ and Beijing have more attendance than their domestic parks, and are effectively holding up them (and Singapore too), should be a big red flag for leadership stateside, but who knows if it will since Epic will likely do well in the next report?

The Florida side is easy to explain for 2024 considering Epic had its Grand opening in May. The only thing is Universal did limit attendance for Epic this year.

Universal Studios Hollywood has multiple things going on why. Universal Studios Hollywood has the weakest version of Super Nintendo world and that means it is not a must see at USH. Universal Studios Hollywood has the smallest Super Nintendo World in space and in amount of attractions. What caused that space is USH to my understanding very land locked and makes it debatable if Super Nintendo World should've been built at USH as a result.

Also Universal Studios Hollywood has no new attractions till 2026 when Fast & furious: Hollywood Drift opens. Also the Fast & Furious: Supercharged area is supposed to be turned into a yet to be announced Studio Tour attraction. The coaster in question is supposed to be different than the rumored Fast & Furious coaster USF is supposed to be getting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No need, it’s okay. I got the post back

Oh I got it…biff refers to unnamed “reports”…

Which means to use it to make a blanket argument is a couple of
Debate fallacies…false attribution and false authority…amongst probably others

Next time just post the whole
Post without the author…you can make a one off point of “some have said/heard the
Parks are empty” to try and make
The case

It’s not a valid case…because in the end it’s “I heard somewhere…” or “don’t people
Say?” Without the proper expertise behind it…but still

 

[Chi84]

Is that from Twitter? I was talking about here, special friend

And more specifically…there are many here with enough experience to ACTUALLY have an opinion on what crowd levels look like in the parks to have a reasonable level of confidence begin it…

Quote one of them, please

You asked.

Obviously the parks aren’t literally empty so who knows what “empty” means in this context.

But yes, posters have said the parks are empty.

And we've seen the disastrous results of reduced capacity with exceedingly painfully long lines in an empty park.

You've seen the empty parks right?

There has been about two full decades of steadily compounding failure by Disney leadership which has brought us to things like paying $30 for G+ or MPLL in empty parks or $700+ Rack Rate Hotel Rooms in empty Resorts.

Parks are empty and a lot of guests are figuring out they don’t need LL, which breaks LL pricing models.

What a failed company.

And empty parks and hotels.

Yes, and the guest reaction to the past decade of this type management and changes to the parks is not all the reason why they have empty hotels, restaurants, shops, and parks

 

[MisterPenguin]

And more reports than ever of “light” crowds, low wait times, easy walk-up dining for 90% of restaurants… but unless I’m misreading the numbers, MK allegedly is averaging 48.5k people per day, every day (9k/day less than 2019)? There’s a scent of fish in the air…

I'm confused about your point.

Anecdotal reports say "less people".

The TEA report says "less people."

Of course, this is all in comparison to pre-pandemic numbers. So... what's fishy?

And if you don't want that fish, can I have it?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Until someone comes forth with valid info as to how park hoppers are measured and/or included in these numbers, they (and Disney’s claims around attendance) are going to be taken with large grains of salt.

Sure. As long as people visiting both Uni parks in one day don't count as two clicks.