Tangled Area Opening Date

[danlb_2000]

Well everything other than 7DMT is done, and it seems that it's still in the late basic stages of construction. What will all of the imagineers/finish work contractors be doing who just finished the majority of new fantasyland? Waiting and sitting on their hands while all the tracks are installed and show buildings constructed at the 7DMT so they can start working there? I say they'll descend on the next section that is ready for them and the way things are looking that section is the Tangled Bathrooms.

Sure it's wishful thinking because that's when I'll be there and I need my daughter to see the themed area... ..but it raises a point right?

Doesn't anyone find it funny that they haven't even announced anything officially about this area? It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this open by the preview dates, or the date I mentioned, but it would surprise me if it weren't completed by the grand opening on 12/6.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy contradicting some posters who may or may not think they're truly in the know, and I did find it hilarious when these folks told people who came to these boards hoping for info on soft openings of the FLE that there definitely won't be any, the day before dress rehearsals began... hahaha..

Well the contractors/contract workers don't work for Disney so they will get moved to other jobs that thier company is working on or will be laid off. Not sure how this works with the Imagineers. Not to mention that fact that there is a limit to how many people you can throw at a project before they just start getting in each other way.

I am not basing my opion on an inside information just what I can see with my own eyes. They have not even begun most of the detail work on this site which is the part that generally takes the most time. Based on how fast Disney builds things I can't see them finishing that work in 6 weeks.

 

[PlaneJane]

I can only imagine how long this detail alone will take:

Here is what is was pulled from in the movie final product should like similar to this.

 

[Rose&Crowner]

Seriously, it only took Rapunzel an afternoon to do that. How long do you think it will take an army of artists?

 

[PlaneJane]

Seriously, it only took Rapunzel an afternoon to do that. How long do you think it will take an army of artists?

Hopefully they won't use chalk like she did.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

Hopefully they won't use chalk like she did.

Although it would be neat if they didn't have the entire thing colored in and had sidewalk chalk available for kiddos to color with while their parents go potty.

 

[danlb_2000]

Hopefully they won't use chalk like she did.

I am actually wondering how they will do this. I wouldn't think any sort of paint would hold up very long so that would leave colored concrete, or some sort of tile mosaic. Either of those materials would probably take quite some time to put down.

 

[Skibum1970]

What makes you an apologist is that you've fabricated a web of lies in your crusade to mindlessly and desperately defend the people responsible for the condition WDW is in today. Again oddly insecure. And you've gotten yourself hopelessly tangled in this lie with no way of escape.

You claim that WDI are the ones responsible for setting attraction budgets and overseeing park maintenance. That is a complete and utter lie. All of the budgeting and maintenance decisions are approved by the more powerful corporate heads, including both TDO and their superiors. The buck stops at the top (and passes through TDO's level for approval in regards to WDW), WDI don't control the flow of money at the Disney corporation. WDI is the Imagineering department, they are responsible for designing attractions within a budget imposed on them by corporate leaders. Their corporate superiors at both the California headquarters as well as Team Disney Orlando hold all their strings though. The puppeteers have the power to approve or decline the attractions designed as well as decide on a budget. WDI doesn't set budgets or look after the theme park management. It is a complete lie to say that WDI are the ones responsible. That is a fact.

If WDI were the ones running the show budget wise and in terms of park maintenance, every Disney park on the face of the planet would be in absolute pristine condition and filled with a constant stream of new and fresh attractions. The imagineers wouldn't allow the creativity stifling and money-grubbing nonsense that TDO and higher levels allows on both a creativity level and maintenance level. WDI are filled with some of the few remaining people within the Disney company who actually still respect and cherish the legacy that Walt Disney himself created. Few (if any) people with true power in the Disney corporation actually respect Walt's ideals and what the parks are about. The present form of WDW stinks of their budget cutting handiwork. That is truth.

Could not have said this any better. Research and Development in just about every company designs a lot of possibilities. Management generally decides what makes it to execution. TDO (just for you CountryBearFan although it took a long time for me to figure out what TDO meant) shortchanges everything from maintenance to ride implementation. I would submit the Seven Dwarves Mine Train as Exhibit A. It started longer and with more scenes and is now quite a bit shorter due to budget cuts.

 

[Skibum1970]

I am actually wondering how they will do this. I wouldn't think any sort of paint would hold up very long so that would leave colored concrete, or some sort of tile mosaic. Either of those materials would probably take quite some time to put down.

I figured stamped and colored concrete would be the best alternative. Stamped gives the "been there for a while" look and the coloring in the mix should help the color stay more fresh in the Sunshine State. Plus, I would expect that pouring the concete might not be that difficult. Once the forms are set up, it's a little like "paint by numbers". Now, the number of pours could take a while as they have a few different colors to blend in.

 

[jdmdisney99]

Remember, the front of Peter Pan, the restrooms there, will be updated/changed into an interactive queue once these restrooms are open. I think, also, and this is just me, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the facades eventually got a facelift, as this re-imagining of Fantasyland continues. Maybe not for a year or two, but I think they'll continue to massage it until the whole land is coherent.

That's what happened with Pooh.

 

[NoChesterHester]

I am actually wondering how they will do this. I wouldn't think any sort of paint would hold up very long so that would leave colored concrete, or some sort of tile mosaic. Either of those materials would probably take quite some time to put down.

Use the material humans have used for 2000 years... Terrazzo.

http://www.terrazzotoday.com/what-is-terrazzo/terrazzo-flooring

Integral colored concrete isn't good for detailed patterns. Any surface applied agent wouldn't last a week.

 

[Rose&Crowner]

I'm tired of you pushing your "terrazzo" around here.

 

[bigeternity]

You know, you're right about this. Even though this is "just a restroom", what we've always loved
about Disney is "holy cow, I can't believe they went to this extent for a restroom".

I don't think anyone can complain about what they are doing, but I think what you're seeing is
"e-ticket drought". The new Fantasyland is stunning to look at, but is missing that huge, wow,
amazing, envelope pushing ride that would tie it all together. Even the Dwarfs mine coaster isn't
going to be that.

I'd wager that the addition of a huge, cutting-edge e-ticket somewhere in the MK (TL?) would put
everyone completely at ease with Tangled bathrooms, etc. Happy, even.

It would certainly demonstrate that they're committed to a well rounded theme park product. It's what we
used to expect from this company.

 

[Timothy_Q]

That's what happened with Pooh.

But Pooh had to be rethemed to fit with the Forest look, while Peter Pan already fits with the tent look.
I would LOVE if they updated the facades, but I don't see it happening, especially seeing the Fairytale Hall has the same look as the rest of the courtyard attractions.

 

[jdmdisney99]

But Pooh had to be rethemed to fit with the Forest look, while Peter Pan already fits with the tent look.
I would LOVE if they updated the facades, but I don't see it happening, especially seeing the Fairytale Hall has the same look as the rest of the courtyard attractions.

True, but technically it could sort of be like the transition between the tents and the Tangled area, just wishing.

 

[Atomicmickey]

But Pooh had to be rethemed to fit with the Forest look, while Peter Pan already fits with the tent look.
I would LOVE if they updated the facades, but I don't see it happening, especially seeing the Fairytale Hall has the same look as the rest of the courtyard attractions.

We don't "exactly" know what Fairytale Hall will look like. We have seen a concept rendering, but it somewhat
depends on how they treat the little details. As an example, in New Fantasyland, we saw renderings of the walls, and the pavement, but until they sprang up, we didn't know what sort of texture and detail would be added. The bricks and pavement, and smaller things are more detailed than other facades in Fantasyland to date, (as is the new Pooh queue) and I would hope--suspect--desire--that the new Fairytale Hall will include
that newer, more realistic, attention to texture, color, and detail.

Then, as time goes on, all the Fantasyland facades will get that 'facelift' and the whole thing will start to cohere with a new level of thematic continuity.

That is what makes sense to me, and what we seem to be seeing glimmers of. No guarantee of follow through, of course, but I'm hopeful at this point that is where it's heading.

With the opening of the FantasyLand forest, it's the Theme Park equivalent of "oh oh, you cleaned a spot". Now that it is there, hopefully the rest of FL will move in that direction. It doesn't have to happen overnight.

 

[Timothy_Q]

We don't "exactly" know what Fairytale Hall will look like. We have seen a concept rendering, but it somewhat
depends on how they treat the little details. As an example, in New Fantasyland, we saw renderings of the walls, and the pavement, but until they sprang up, we didn't know what sort of texture and detail would be added. The bricks and pavement, and smaller things are more detailed than other facades in Fantasyland to date, (as is the new Pooh queue) and I would hope--suspect--desire--that the new Fairytale Hall will include
that newer, more realistic, attention to texture, color, and detail.

Then, as time goes on, all the Fantasyland facades will get that 'facelift' and the whole thing will start to cohere with a new level of thematic continuity.

That is what makes sense to me, and what we seem to be seeing glimmers of. No guarantee of follow through, of course, but I'm hopeful at this point that is where it's heading.

With the opening of the FantasyLand forest, it's the Theme Park equivalent of "oh oh, you cleaned a spot". Now that it is there, hopefully the rest of FL will move in that direction. It doesn't have to happen overnight.

I absolutely hope you're right

 

[Admiral01]

Today.

 

[jdmdisney99]

Today.
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I don't know, this could be open sooner than we think.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

I don't know, this could be open sooner than we think.

I was thinking the same now that there is an opening there. I would be willing to bet that they will, kind of like elsewhere in Fantasyland, open one part of it while the rest is being finished. Like maybe open the path toward HM or even open only the restrooms while the theming is being wrapped. They seem to be favoring partial openings of areas like that which I think is smart.

 

[danlb_2000]

I was thinking the same now that there is an opening there. I would be willing to bet that they will, kind of like elsewhere in Fantasyland, open one part of it while the rest is being finished. Like maybe open the path toward HM or even open only the restrooms while the theming is being wrapped. They seem to be favoring partial openings of areas like that which I think is smart.

Although possible, I think the area is to small to be able to do that. Since the restroom structures are only really accessible from the front they are going to want to be pretty much done before they finish the pathways in front of them, specially that intricate mosaic that I posted earlier in the thread. Not to mention that they don't have any real incentive to open parts earlier since it's no an attraction that will increase capacity or a store that will earn money.