Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[TP2000]

TP, stop spitting out numbers and reason while the shut it downers are trying to dehumanize you for your beliefs.

Science & Data!

I also just laughed out loud at my computer screen two minutes ago as I read this... LA County bureaucrat Janice Hahn has asked Governor Newsom today to send the USNS Mercy back to the Port of LA to help bolster area hospital capacity.

Except Ms. Hahn obviously doesn't listen to KFI, the most popular talk radio station in the state, because yesterday Brian Suits on KFI detailed how the USNS Mercy is currently in Portland undergoing a major overhaul and refurbishment. When LA did nothing with the USNS Mercy last April, the Navy sent out a notice that the Mercy was due for a major overhaul later this year and if anyone thought they'd need it to speak up or hold their peace until 2021. No one said they wanted it again, so the Navy sent it up to Portland to begin it's upgrade and overhaul. It's out of commission, but Janice Hahn apparently didn't get the memo.

It should also be noted that whoever is left at the OC Register who passes as a "journalist" also doesn't listen to KFI. Or have access to Google. They think the Mercy is still sitting in port in San Diego, when it's in a shipyard being torn apart in Portland.

LA County’s Hahn requests return of USNS Mercy to help address coronavirus surge

The return of the ship would bolster already strapped L.A. County hospitals bracing for a wave of COVID-19 cases in January.

www.ocregister.com

MERCY - Medical Transport (IMO: 7390454, MMSI: 367816000) | MyShipTracking

Details and realtime position for the vessel MERCY with MMSI 367816000, IMO 7390454 that is registered in [US] USA

www.myshiptracking.com

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Why is locking down the highways to prevent car accidents and climate change any less silly than shutting down people's businesses because of a virus with a 99% survival rate?

Shut it downers and their ilk that want to be babied by biggovernment are working on it. There are groups in LA focused entirely on closing streets and reducing their vehicle capacity as baby steps to doing exactly what you say. I forget details but one of the county/city entities (I forget off the top of my head) is ran by a previous soviet city planner (not making that up).

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I've been a bit MIA for a while as I am currently sitting at a microbrewery in Bozeman, Montana.

Spent the last several days doing snow things and taking an absolutely spectacular snowmobile trip into yellowstone national park. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone (FYI, super cold, old faithful is overrated, but the entire park as a whole and snowmobiling is top notch).

Here in Montana, they don't care much for Californians and their ways... Unless you're at the bougie places in Big Sky or here in Bozeman near the university (FYI they make some darn good beer here). Have had some interesting conversations with a variety of people and they all end up the same way as every conversation I had when at WDW the other week- your state is run by absolute idiots (though noticably here in MT they tack on 'unamerican'). In west yellowstone they mentioned that while business is down, they've fared ok through the year due to yellowstone being open. I would then explain to them the situation in Anaheim and they're absolutely appalled.

All restaurants and bars here must close by 10pm and all have sensible covid restrictions in place. Masks when indoors, dividers and spaced tables, masks on servers/when you're up from your table, and hand sanitizer at most entrances. We've had a couple of bars where they didn't care, but us trained Californians still wore our masks. Had a conversation with the guy running a bar/casino and told him how I've been trained and it's second nature to just automatically do it. We had a great chat for a long while (as I had fun in losing $40 on the slots but with many free beers). He grew up in Ontario and LA, moved here about 8 years ago and never looked back. Said he doesn't miss it at all and is happy without the meaningless hustle and bustle... When I explained to him that not even outdoor dining is allowed back home he was beside himself and gave me another beer on the house.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

Since the USA is a capitalist free-market society and money doesn't grow on trees, yes we all need to keep making a buck. Or else we starve and lose our homes.

The Covid-19 survival rates, per the CDC, of anyone who gets it are currently the following in the USA;

Age 0-19 = 99.997%
Age 20-49 = 99.98%
Age 50-69 = 99.5%
Age 70-105 = 94.6%

But the age breakdown creates a big difference in the amount of people who could die from Covid, since there are less old people because old people often die. (Sad, but true. All humans die, especially when they get old.) There are approximately 335 Million people living in the USA in 2020.

Age 0-19 = 81 Million
Age 20-49 = 139 Million
Age 50-69 = 80 Million
Age 70-105 = 35 Million

So, if you assume that every single living American will get Covid, and then survive or die from it based on the Science & Data that the survival rates show, you'd get the following death toll.

Age 0-19 = 2,430 Deaths
Age 20-49 = 28,000 Deaths
Age 50-69 = 400,000 Deaths
Age 70-105 = 1,890,000 Deaths

The grand total if every single American caught Covid and then died or survived is 2,320,430. As per usual with Covid, the vast majority of deaths are over the age of 70. The average life expectancy in the USA is 78 years.

Once you hit 78, if you are still alive, you are living on borrowed time. Old humans die at much higher rates than young humans. Around 3 Million Americans drop dead every year.

Again: why do you only focus on deaths?

 

[Travel Junkie]

Again: why do you only focus on deaths?

For example a close relative of mine has permanent lung damage. 34 years old avid hiker in great shape and no preexisting conditions. We don't know the full extent of the damage as of yet, but his active lifestyle is going to be severely compromised. His life is forever changed. Oh by the way his 12 year old son also had severe complications including trouble breathing AFTER he had been declared "cured."

And for all of those doubting or downplaying the hospital capacity issue, my relative was treated on a concrete bench in the hospital parking lot because the ICU and the overflow tent were full.

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

I had it and recovered in a little over a week. No complications, just bad cold symptoms, a fever for a day, and I couldn’t taste for 9 days. Many such cases like mine! Don’t let fear consume your life!

 

[TP2000]

Again: why do you only focus on deaths?

Because that's what we are worried about. People dying from Covid. This is why Disneyland is still closed.

Do you think Disneyland is closed for some other reason???

I had it and recovered in a little over a week. No complications, just bad cold symptoms, a fever for a day, and I couldn’t taste for 9 days. Many such cases like mine! Don’t let fear consume your life!

My saliva test results came back negative. This is the second negative Covid test I've had. I feel great, I just did the tests for fun and to see what all the fuss was about. But I had a bad head cold this past February, and felt run down for a few days, which is odd for me. I'm convinced that was Covid, since it was already circulating widely in this country in late 2019.

You can't live your life in fear. For instance, I got food poisoning at a famous OC restaurant about a decade ago. It laid me out for days quite severely, and it took a couple months for me to fully recover. But I still go out to dinner at restaurants. Life happens. And then, once you've lived a hopefully successful and meaningful life, you die.

 

[TP2000]

I've been a bit MIA for a while as I am currently sitting at a microbrewery in Bozeman, Montana.

Spent the last several days doing snow things and taking an absolutely spectacular snowmobile trip into yellowstone national park. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone (FYI, super cold, old faithful is overrated, but the entire park as a whole and snowmobiling is top notch).

Here in Montana, they don't care much for Californians and their ways... Unless you're at the bougie places in Big Sky or here in Bozeman near the university (FYI they make some darn good beer here). Have had some interesting conversations with a variety of people and they all end up the same way as every conversation I had when at WDW the other week- your state is run by absolute idiots (though noticably here in MT they tack on 'unamerican'). In west yellowstone they mentioned that while business is down, they've fared ok through the year due to yellowstone being open. I would then explain to them the situation in Anaheim and they're absolutely appalled.

All restaurants and bars here must close by 10pm and all have sensible covid restrictions in place. Masks when indoors, dividers and spaced tables, masks on servers/when you're up from your table, and hand sanitizer at most entrances. We've had a couple of bars where they didn't care, but us trained Californians still wore our masks. Had a conversation with the guy running a bar/casino and told him how I've been trained and it's second nature to just automatically do it. We had a great chat for a long while (as I had fun in losing $40 on the slots but with many free beers). He grew up in Ontario and LA, moved here about 8 years ago and never looked back. Said he doesn't miss it at all and is happy without the meaningless hustle and bustle... When I explained to him that not even outdoor dining is allowed back home he was beside himself and gave me another beer on the house.

Montana is fantastic. I had some family in Kalispell in the 20th century, long before Flathead Lake became such a fancy tourist destination.

I know two longtime California families that are now moving out of state; they made the decision this fall. They just can't stand it here any longer.

While I never would have believed I'd say this only a year ago... I've actually been doing some recent thinking myself about leaving; perhaps heading to Salt Lake or Boise for my final years. I own two pieces of property in California long held by my previous family generations, and selling just one of them could fund a nice spot in either city in Idaho or Utah. I could rent the second property and keep myself fed, although it's tempting to sell both and cut all tax ties with Sacramento so they don't get another dime from me.

I'm now seriously thinking about it...

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

Everyday I hide in my bomb shelter in fear of the Soviets nuking us. I can’t live knowing there are dangerous in this world.

 

[TP2000]

Everyday I hide in my bomb shelter in fear of the Soviets nuking us. I can’t live knowing there are dangerous in this world.

You know, you joke. But sometimes I wonder if that's not part of the reason so many younger folks seem fine to just give up and obey Sacramento? They have no real concept of how quickly life can end.

40 years ago we all expected that World War III would erupt at any moment, and we'd all be dead within minutes. I remember specifically it was very bad around 1982-83; we literally didn't think the world would make it past calendar year 1983, and the Soviets would be marching across Poland and nuclear war would break out in western Europe at any moment. That's something that sticks with you.

But kids today? They have no clue about any of that. They think the Communist Chinese are wonderful people and their fun brand of censorship is something the USA should emulate to prevent unsafe thoughts. But death? That's entirely preventable! No one should die, ever! Sacramento will protect us! Stay Home, Save Lives!

But for so many of us, we grew up knowing that we all die eventually. Death is rarely fair, but it happens. How did more recent kids grow up into their 20's and 30's and not know that?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Hopefully more churches will be shut down. Then people can spend more time reading comics.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I've been a bit MIA for a while as I am currently sitting at a microbrewery in Bozeman, Montana.

Spent the last several days doing snow things and taking an absolutely spectacular snowmobile trip into yellowstone national park. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone (FYI, super cold, old faithful is overrated, but the entire park as a whole and snowmobiling is top notch).

Here in Montana, they don't care much for Californians and their ways... Unless you're at the bougie places in Big Sky or here in Bozeman near the university (FYI they make some darn good beer here). Have had some interesting conversations with a variety of people and they all end up the same way as every conversation I had when at WDW the other week- your state is run by absolute idiots (though noticably here in MT they tack on 'unamerican'). In west yellowstone they mentioned that while business is down, they've fared ok through the year due to yellowstone being open. I would then explain to them the situation in Anaheim and they're absolutely appalled.

All restaurants and bars here must close by 10pm and all have sensible covid restrictions in place. Masks when indoors, dividers and spaced tables, masks on servers/when you're up from your table, and hand sanitizer at most entrances. We've had a couple of bars where they didn't care, but us trained Californians still wore our masks. Had a conversation with the guy running a bar/casino and told him how I've been trained and it's second nature to just automatically do it. We had a great chat for a long while (as I had fun in losing $40 on the slots but with many free beers). He grew up in Ontario and LA, moved here about 8 years ago and never looked back. Said he doesn't miss it at all and is happy without the meaningless hustle and bustle... When I explained to him that not even outdoor dining is allowed back home he was beside himself and gave me another beer on the house.

Stay in Montana then.

Why should we care about what folks in Montana think of Californians?

 

[castleparker]

I will not be able to sleep tonight now that I know a bartender in Montana is mad about our indoor dining situation.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Montana is more beautiful than California and Bozeman was one of the ships on Star Trek. My plan is to transfer out of California ASAP. Eyeing Texas, Florida and even Montana. Not sure I can do it soon enough.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

For example a close relative of mine has permanent lung damage. 34 years old avid hiker in great shape and no preexisting conditions. We don't know the full extent of the damage as of yet, but his active lifestyle is going to be severely compromised. His life is forever changed. Oh by the way his 12 year old son also had severe complications including trouble breathing AFTER he had been declared "cured."

And for all of those doubting or downplaying the hospital capacity issue, my relative was treated on a concrete bench in the hospital parking lot because the ICU and the overflow tent were full.

That's okay, though because he didn't die. Only deaths matter.

 

[Disney Irish]

It'll be sad to see all you Disneyland Forum posters leave California. But not to worry I'm sure there are plenty still willing to move in to take your spot, not only your domicile but your spot at Disneyland as well when it reopens.

I've personally had 3 verbal offers on my house today alone (one was an all cash offer too), and my house is not even on the market. I have to keep telling them I'm not selling. But hey what do I know, I keep hearing about this mass exodus (same thing I've been hearing for the past 30+ years).

 

[Californian Elitist]

It'll be sad to see all you Disneyland Forum posters leave California. But not to worry I'm sure there are plenty still willing to move in to take your spot, not only your domicile but your spot at Disneyland as well when it reopens.

I've personally had 3 verbal offers on my house today alone (one was an all cash offer too), and my house is not even on the market. I have to keep telling them I'm not selling. But hey what do I know, I keep hearing about this mass exodus (same thing I've been hearing for the past 30+ years).

I won’t be sad at all if folks here finally decide to leave. It doesn’t concern me at all when folks leave their home states in general. That’s been happening for centuries.

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

Y'all realize you're not better than anyone else, right, just because you live in an overpriced state and can afford to not go to work?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Since DL isn't open like it should, does it have large enough freezers to help out with the pandemic? Maybe warehouse rides can be converted to ERs and ICUs.

Los Angeles Covid-19 Update: Total Deaths Top 10,000 in L.A. County Creating “Overflow Of Bodies From Hospitals”

On Wednesday, the county crossed 10,000 lives lost to Covid-19 since the beginning of the pandemic.

deadline.com

“Some patients are waiting in ambulances because there is no space,” said L.A. County Supervisor Hilda Solis before revealing that, “Our medical examiner is receiving overflow of bodies from hospitals that are unable to store them.”​

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Solis continued: “My understanding is that the medical examiner will receive assistance for their operations from the California National Guard, and we’re expecting them by next Monday. It’s such a grim reality, but I’m compelled to say this because it has gotten to the point that we need to show the true toll of what this virus has taken and can take.​

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“There’s many situations in which as many as 10 ambulances are waiting to offload patients, and those patients are being cared for and treated in the ambulances as if it’s part of the emergency room bay,” said L.A. Director of Health and Human Services Dr. Christina Ghaly.​

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“Hospitals are treating patients in other areas that are not typically used for patient care at all,” she continued, “not just not used for inpatient care. They’re using places like conference rooms or gift shops to provide patient care.”​

 

[Californian Elitist]

Y'all realize you're not better than anyone else, right, just because you live in an overpriced state and can afford to not go to work?

You realize no one has alluded to being better than others, right?