Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[Darkbeer1]

That's just asking way too much now, not only the money aspect but the effort to walk over there and go through security to get ... take out food.

Maybe Disney set up a Delivery/To Go set up in the former DtD lot. Show your Order on your Smart Phone to enter, drive to the table for the specific restaurant, let the staff place it the car after scanning the pick up code, and then be required to leave the area immediately.
Use the North Security Check for DtD staff only to enter/exit DtD.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Orange County restaurateurs protest latest coronavirus shutdown – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)

>>Eat Chow in Costa Mesa and Newport Beach reached out to its regulars with a note on Facebook on Saturday, Dec. 5. “To our valued customers, due to the Governor’s new stay-at-home orders, please know that 80% of our staff is going to lose their income during the Holiday season. We need your opinion: should we remain open for outside dining?” The following day the restaurant reposted Chon’s declaration with a note that said, “After long reflection… we have made our final decision! We are staying open for outdoor dining for both locations.”

So did Memphis Cafe in Costa Mesa. “To our beloved customers,” began the restaurant’s Facebook message, “Please consider the moral dilemma we face having to lay off 85% of our staff knowing full well that unemployment won’t sustain them through the latest shutdown; and without federal stimulus support for small businesses they simply won’t have a job to return to. We therefore have made the difficult decision to stay open for outdoor dining.”<<

>>Bruno Serato, owner of the Anaheim White House will follow the rules but he protested them by expressing his views, offering suggestions for loosening up restrictions in a statement released to the media today. “I am making an appeal to Gov. Newsom to reconsider the 3-week lock down to a more modified version that doesn’t ‘punish’ restaurants that are taking extraordinary steps to protect our guests. I think all of us restaurateurs should be able to continue operations with the following caveats: Limit service to outdoor dining. Maximum 8 guests per table from no more than 2 households. Closing time no later than 11 p.m.”

Are those who remain open worried about the consequences? “Enforcement has always been a big, big concern of ours,” Chon said. But he pointed to the Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes’ statement that it was “a matter of personal responsibility” and to the hands-off attitude of the O.C. Health Care Agency, describing them as “very quiet.”

“I have restaurants in San Diego and they’re a little bit more vocal there,” Chon said. “One of my stores did receive a cease- and-desist order. But they’re kind empty threats at the same time. They said it could be followed up and then they typically don’t follow up, because they I’m sure they don’t have the manpower.”<<

 

[Jiggsawpuzzle35]

Just get through the security exit and hide in the bushes next to the Adventure tower while scarfing down your ice cream.

If one is really desperate, they’d just walk into a bathroom stall next to the gates of DCA and scarf down their ice cream with the hint of urine and poo swirling through the air.

 

[Stevek]

If one is really desperate, they’d just walk into a bathroom stall next to the gates of DCA and scarf down their ice cream with the hint of urine and poo swirling through the air.

So a normal day at Six Flags . I kid, I kid (kinda)

 

[Stevek]

That's just asking way too much now, not only the money aspect but the effort to walk over there and go through security to get ... take out food.

Really depends on how much you want it I guess. The walk wouldn’t bother me and would probably do me good if I’m going there for cupcakes

 

[flutas]

Really depends on how much you want it I guess. The walk wouldn’t bother me and would probably do me good if I’m going there for cupcakes

I wonder, would it still be a 45+ minute line to get the takeout cupcakes though?

 

[Stevek]

I wonder, would it still be a 45+ minute line to get the takeout cupcakes though?

We went Saturday around noon, took about 15 minutes to get in though when we left around 3:30, the wait was significantly longer as I'm sure word was getting out about the impending closure of dining. FYI, as we walked out, we walked right up to Sprinkles to get cupcakes with no wait

 

[Stevek]

Marceline's only was allowing 5 people in at a time on Saturday. 60 min virtual queue and 40 minute line after we were called up.

Disney Home Store was 90-120 minute wait at 3:30...insane. On a side note, we only waited about 30 minutes to get onto BV street. Would not bother again given the long lines to get into the shops once inside. Quite honestly, I don't see myself going back to DTD until everything is back open. We only stopped by this time because we were in Anaheim looking for quartz countertops.

 

[DavidDL]

The shutting of things down again for the sake of safety is fine in my eyes, provided that those who are ordered to shut down completely (or risk shuttering completely due to the orders) are taken care of financially by those ordering them to close. If you do that, then I really don't see why things would be too much of an issue. What it sounds like, given the number of complaints from business owners/employees, is that their government isn't taking care of them the way it should be.

-and it sounds like if more agreements aren't reached soon, what little help is being offered will expire by the end of the year. It's obviously true that it's easier to help someone whose broke than someone whose dead, I'd never argue otherwise. But since money is just a construct created by the only species of animal that actually pays to live on this planet, maybe we just bite the bullet and go into whatever debt we need to in order to save lives both literally and metaphorically?

Leaders ordering a shut down in order to protect their people is obviously fine. But doing so and then leaving folks who are struggling because of your decisions high and dry, is not. Real leaders take on the burden of those beneath them. It comes with the role.

(Disclaimer: I've been busy so I haven't been kept fully up to date on all current events and haven't read through the entire thread yet)

 

[Travel Junkie]

I would expect to see more of this. Trying to find ways to get shoppers into DTD.

 

[Stevek]

I would expect to see more of this. Trying to find ways to get shoppers into DTD.

Get rid of the $10 parking. That's the only way I'm going to shop there.

 

[Figgy1]

@TP2000 I'd add a bit more rum Now back to the bickering

 

[flutas]

The shutting of things down again for the sake of safety is fine in my eyes, provided that those who are ordered to shut down completely (or risk shuttering completely due to the orders) are taken care of financially by those ordering them to close. If you do that, then I really don't see why things would be too much of an issue.

I fully agree with this. Not just companies, but people need to be taken care of as well that are effected by the lockdowns.

I would expect to see more of this. Trying to find ways to get shoppers into DTD.

Interesting, I wonder if Disney is paying them on the backend for this or if it's simply them doing it on their own.

Get rid of the $10 parking. That's the only way I'm going to shop there.

Agreed.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Los Angeles Covid-19 Update: Record Number Of Health Care Workers Are Sick As County Hospital System Careens Toward Overwhelm

The day after Los Angeles County’s number of new cases topped 10,000 for the first time, state and local officials warned about the status of the region’s health care system. By Sunday, said California Governor Gavin Newsom, Southern California had only about 10% of its ICU capacity left. That...

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California Coronavirus Update: As Covid-19 Infections Skyrocket, Experts Say Thanksgiving Surge Is About To Hit State; Christmas Spike Likely On Top Of That

As the United States approached the date commemorating the attack on Pearl Harbor, it found itself facing a new tragic event.

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[TP2000]

The shutting of things down again for the sake of safety is fine in my eyes, provided that those who are ordered to shut down completely (or risk shuttering completely due to the orders) are taken care of financially by those ordering them to close. If you do that, then I really don't see why things would be too much of an issue. What it sounds like, given the number of complaints from business owners/employees, is that their government isn't taking care of them the way it should be.

I couldn't agree with you more!

This is exactly the problem, and exactly why many stores, salons, small businesses are not obeying the Stay Closed, Save Lives! order this time. The government bureaucrats who are ordering all these businesses to close indefinitely are providing very little financial assistance or help, and what is provided is only a fraction of the money they would make after one busy weekend at Christmastime, let alone the whole month.

I would expect to see more of this. Trying to find ways to get shoppers into DTD.

Downtown Disney is not a large mall, it's quite small actually when you consider it. But it's these one-off tiny retailers that will struggle the most now with no dining.

California Sole, a flip-flop store selling sandals to tourists. But the tourists are all gone, and it's winter. And the locals who might want to buy flip-flops have to pay $10 to park, go through security/medical screening, and walk half a mile from their $10 parking spot? There's no reason why anyone would do that for flip-flops. In winter.

Get rid of the $10 parking. That's the only way I'm going to shop there.

Yeah, that's gotta go. I'm headed to South Coast Plaza later today for Christmas shopping and buying gift cards. South Coast Plaza is top-notch, has endless free parking, and doesn't make me walk half a mile from the parking lot and go through a security/medical screening process just to get into Nordstrom.

If this No Dining thing sticks around, they've got to figure something out. But then, after my Marie Kondo phase maybe I'm just so against buying cheap Chinese made crap that I completely misunderstand the allure of World of Disney and Elias & Co. for many of my fellow Disneyland fans? I've been out of touch many times before, so this wouldn't be the first time.

 

[TP2000]

I would expect to see more of this. Trying to find ways to get shoppers into DTD.

Quoting you again here, because now I'm laughing out loud...

Let's just ponder the apparent fact that fashion flip-flops are now considered Essential Critical Infrastructure in a pandemic.

In early winter. Flip-flops.

 

[Travel Junkie]

Quoting you again here, because now I'm laughing out loud...

Let's just ponder the apparent fact that fashion flip-flops are now considered Essential Critical Infrastructure in a pandemic.

In early winter. Flip-flops.

To be fair, this stay at home order is a bit more targeted than the last one. Retail is allowed to stay open, only at reduced capacity. I believe they even mention retail that is not essential is still allowed to be open.

Without rehashing the same arguments over and over I can see why dining in particular was targeted. Dining has been considered the number 1 place to get Covid. We can go back and forth on well is that just indoor and bars versus outdoor dining, but nevertheless there is a rationale to the order.

On the other hand, shopping has been shown to be relatively low risk. At least based on what I have read. It makes sense if you think about it. The virus has a much higher transmission rate when people are stationary in one spot for an extended period. A quick brush by in a store is low risk. Sitting next to someone for an hour is high risk.

But yes, sandals in the winter time is a tough sell even without a pandemic. Unless you are making plans now for a blowout summer 2021!

 

[lazyboy97o]

How dare they just close everything down!

How dare they let some businesses stay open!

 

[lazyboy97o]

To be fair, this stay at home order is a bit more targeted than the last one. Retail is allowed to stay open, only at reduced capacity. I believe they even mention retail that is not essential is still allowed to be open.

Without rehashing the same arguments over and over I can see why dining in particular was targeted. Dining has been considered the number 1 place to get Covid. We can go back and forth on well is that just indoor and bars versus outdoor dining, but nevertheless there is a rationale to the order.

On the other hand, shopping has been shown to be relatively low risk. At least based on what I have read. It makes sense if you think about it. The virus has a much higher transmission rate when people are stationary in one spot for an extended period. A quick brush by in a store is low risk. Sitting next to someone for an hour is high risk.

But yes, sandals in the winter time is a tough sell even without a pandemic. Unless you are making plans now for a blowout summer 2021!

The mayor of El Paso made some comments about tracers finding shopping to be a prevalent source. Of course no amount of study matters, as a recent study that was rather damning for dining was twisted as “masks don’t work”.

 

[TP2000]

Breaking this afternoon on the Outdoor Dining scene...

Superior Court Judge Chalfant this afternoon ruled LA County "acted arbitrarily" in banning outdoor dining, after LA County officials were unable to present any compelling evidence or data that supports their November 24th ban on outdoor dining.

Judge sides with restaurants over outdoor dining ban, says LA County 'acted arbitrarily'

An LA judge issued a ruling that stated LA County "acted arbitrarily" and "failed to perform the required risk-benefit analysis" when it banned outdoor dining.

www.foxla.com

This won't change anything immediately for LA County, since last week LA County became part of the Mono County Metro Area (AKA "Southern California") and is not allowed to offer outdoor dining anywhere from Bishop to La Jolla.

But it's interesting that over a period of several court appearances the LA County legal team was unable to provide any compelling evidence or any data that they used to create the outdoor dining ban last month. They had been accused by restaurants of acting arbitrarily, and that's exactly what the judge agreed with today. It will be interesting to see how this develops over the winter.