mickEblu
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Are we going to play semantics games or can you try to answer the question?
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Are we going to play semantics games or can you try to answer the question?
castleparker
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Since you guys like doubting numbers coming from the government, why don't you consider the fact that Florida is cooking their own books to look better than they are? Especially considering they had been caught doing it early in the pandemic. Further exasperated by the unjustified raiding of the whistleblower's home fairly recently.
MoonRakerSCM
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I've been saying that from the beginning. My job has me across the entirety of Socal and other parts of the state and I've seen different communities and how they're treating mask rules throughout the year etc...
In OC and other similar areas, people are overwhelmingly wearing their masks... though the chance 'middle aged white housewife who makes a scene at Starbucks and gets shared on social media' has become a poster child for anti-maskers and a platform for people to blame OC... man in areas like South Central, East LA, and South LA (the worst) it has almost been 50/50 on some of my visits of people wearing masks to not.
Also, while certainly a sligthly different topic, generally latino families are very family centric and share their households across multiple generations and take pride in huge family gatherings. Pretty much the exact opposite of what is recommended for interaction right now. I've had some discussion with my friends about this topic and they all agree, but whenever I try to talk about it online I get labeled a racist.
Kyle’s Dad Sent Me
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44.6% of LA County is Hispanic or Latino. Hispanic/Latinos make up 46.4% of COVID cases. And this is without considering other factors such as economic status (which is a key component in positive cases), who works customer service/front-facing jobs, etc.
so, yeah, I would say your anecdotal “driving around town” means nothing.
unmitigated disaster
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Right now you don't open because it IS saving lives. Let's say by April 1st everyone who wants a vaccine has been vaccinated and the experts say "April 10th is when places can start reopening with little or few restrictions [I can see hospitals and nursing homes opting for longer]." At that point yep, you go to Disneyland on April 30th and die of Covid well, you die. We've done what we can.
MoonRakerSCM
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20. So we're WELL beyond the point, time to open.
mickEblu
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Kyle’s Dad Sent Me
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Again, the numbers for Hispanic/Latino COVID cases vs. population are almost identical.
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Stevek
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The last part of his comment was not really necessary but the reality is that lower income communities, many hispanic, are suffering through this significantly. I sincerely doubt that this far into the pandemic, the language barrier is a problem though I would bet there are studies out there somewhere on the interweb. I believe that this is largely a cultural thing where family gatherings are an integral part of life and they are just unwilling to follow the guidance.
The link below is a case map by neighborhood for the city of LA which supports that hispanic communities are being hit the hardest.
https://corona-virus.la/Map
The second dashboard below also that hispanic/latino communities in California general are being hit the hardest with regards to both cases and deaths.
Racial Data Dashboard | The COVID Tracking Project
For the US overall, American Indians and African Americans appear to be suffering the worst.
COVID-19 deaths analyzed by race and ethnicity — APM Research Lab
And lastly, some data from the CDC indicating that hispanic/latino, American Indian and African American have higher case, hospitalization and death rates when "compared to White, Non-Hispanic persons"
COVID-19 Hospitalization and Death by Race/Ethnicity | CDC
At the end of the day, there absolutely needs to be a continued focus on education, informing and helping our hispanic communities which will include making sure they are getting the vaccine when available.
Californian Elitist
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Thank you for taking the time out for this post. There are many factors that contribute to the high rates, factors that are social and economical. It should come as no surprise, as communities of color have seen disparities such as these before, countless times.
Kyle’s Dad Sent Me
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And what are the demographics of these neighborhoods that you went out of the way to mention, juxtaposing them with “white” neighborhoods in the OC?
“ though the chance 'middle aged white housewife who makes a scene at Starbucks and gets shared on social media' has become a poster child for anti-maskers and a platform for people to blame OC... man in areas like South Central, East LA, and South LA (the worst) it has almost been 50/50 on some of my visits of people wearing masks to not.”
You are literally comparing what you consider white neighborhoods and non-white neighborhoods.
Sharon&Susan
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I don't think it's a second account for a current active user.
I think it's the second account for someone who got banned here a few months ago.
Kyle’s Dad Sent Me
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If I got banned from a Disneyland forum I would simply move on with my life.
lazyboy97o
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This. Clearly this.
Californian Elitist
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I said the same thing to myself when I saw that their profile photo was of American traitor Robert E. Lee with confederate flags in the background.
Little Green Men
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Guess we will know for sure if they start going off about certain countries
Darkbeer1
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Honesty shouldn’t be sacrificed in public health messaging – Orange County Register (ocregister.com)
>>Honesty shouldn’t be sacrificed in public health messaging
Sen. Marco Rubio called out Dr. Anthony Fauci for his comments in The New York Times admitting that he consulted public opinion surveys in order to determine how many Americans would need to be immune to coronavirus before the pandemic was over.
More precisely, Fauci, who is the government’s top infectious disease specialist, said he consulted public opinion surveys to see what number he would tell the public.
“Dr. Fauci has been distorting the level of vaccination needed for herd immunity,” Rubio wrote on Twitter.
Fauci told the Times, “We really don’t know what the real number is,” estimating that it’s “somewhere between 70 to 90 percent.” He said he watched the polls. “When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” he recalled. “Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”
There are many questions in medicine, and everything else, to which the only correct answer is, “We just don’t know.” That’s fine, unless government officials are on television every day telling the public a phony answer, especially if that phony answer is used as the basis to determine whether people are allowed to open their businesses, or even leave their homes.
This has been a recurring theme in the response to the coronavirus pandemic from the beginning. In California, the Newsom administration has constructed an obstacle course of arbitrary metrics that counties must meet, repeatedly moving the finish line and changing the rules like a demented demolition derby.
Plenty of people have crashed on this course. So it’s not insignificant, and it’s not OK, that public officials are making up numbers as they go along.
Rubio pointed out that Fauci is not the only one playing games with public statements. “Many in elite bubbles believe the American public doesn’t know ‘what’s good for them’ so they need to be tricked into doing the right thing,” Rubio wrote.
That seems to be the story of the pre-Thanksgiving restaurant shutdown. L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer explained in a recent interview, “We realized, ‘Oh my God. We’ve got everyone traveling, like hundreds of thousands of people are traveling.’ We at that point got really scared, because we just sort of knew in our core that we were headed to a surge on top of a surge.”
It would have been fine to warn people against traveling, but Ferrer went further. The weekend before Thanksgiving, she ordered all restaurants in the county to shut down all in-person dining.
When county supervisors Kathryn Barger and Janice Hahn objected and questioned Ferrer and her team about the basis for that decision, the Public Health Department had no evidence that outdoor dining, the only kind that was allowed, was a source of COVID-19 spread or dangerous in any way. The California Restaurant Association and attorney Mark Geragos, who owns a restaurant, filed a lawsuit over the closure order and prevailed after a judge told the county to show evidence to justify the ban on in-person dining, and there wasn’t any.
Too late, however, because the Newsom administration had followed L.A. County’s restaurant closure with a regional ban of its own, and that one is still in effect even though California Health Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly admitted that the restaurant ban was “not a comment on the relative safety of outdoor dining,” but instead “really has to do with the goal of trying to keep people at home.”
The technical term for this policy is “lying.” The price of it is the complete loss of credibility. The wrong response to the loss of credibility is an escalation of the lying in an effort to regain control of the population.
For example, consider the state’s new “adjusted” ICU metric. Out of the blue, the Newsom administration declared that regions of the state would be under strictest lockdown orders whenever intensive care units in the region’s hospitals filled up beyond 85 percent of capacity. Then the administration created its own definition of “available” ICU beds based on its own estimate of how many non-COVID patients might need them. So a county that had, say, 10 percent available capacity suddenly dropped to 0 percent after the adjustment.
This had the effect of creating terrifying headlines, much like the restaurant closure. Presumably it scared people into staying home and isolated throughout the holiday season instead of doing things such as shopping, going to church or seeing friends and family.<<
>>Honesty shouldn’t be sacrificed in public health messaging
Sen. Marco Rubio called out Dr. Anthony Fauci for his comments in The New York Times admitting that he consulted public opinion surveys in order to determine how many Americans would need to be immune to coronavirus before the pandemic was over.
More precisely, Fauci, who is the government’s top infectious disease specialist, said he consulted public opinion surveys to see what number he would tell the public.
“Dr. Fauci has been distorting the level of vaccination needed for herd immunity,” Rubio wrote on Twitter.
Fauci told the Times, “We really don’t know what the real number is,” estimating that it’s “somewhere between 70 to 90 percent.” He said he watched the polls. “When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” he recalled. “Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”
There are many questions in medicine, and everything else, to which the only correct answer is, “We just don’t know.” That’s fine, unless government officials are on television every day telling the public a phony answer, especially if that phony answer is used as the basis to determine whether people are allowed to open their businesses, or even leave their homes.
This has been a recurring theme in the response to the coronavirus pandemic from the beginning. In California, the Newsom administration has constructed an obstacle course of arbitrary metrics that counties must meet, repeatedly moving the finish line and changing the rules like a demented demolition derby.
Plenty of people have crashed on this course. So it’s not insignificant, and it’s not OK, that public officials are making up numbers as they go along.
Rubio pointed out that Fauci is not the only one playing games with public statements. “Many in elite bubbles believe the American public doesn’t know ‘what’s good for them’ so they need to be tricked into doing the right thing,” Rubio wrote.
That seems to be the story of the pre-Thanksgiving restaurant shutdown. L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer explained in a recent interview, “We realized, ‘Oh my God. We’ve got everyone traveling, like hundreds of thousands of people are traveling.’ We at that point got really scared, because we just sort of knew in our core that we were headed to a surge on top of a surge.”
It would have been fine to warn people against traveling, but Ferrer went further. The weekend before Thanksgiving, she ordered all restaurants in the county to shut down all in-person dining.
When county supervisors Kathryn Barger and Janice Hahn objected and questioned Ferrer and her team about the basis for that decision, the Public Health Department had no evidence that outdoor dining, the only kind that was allowed, was a source of COVID-19 spread or dangerous in any way. The California Restaurant Association and attorney Mark Geragos, who owns a restaurant, filed a lawsuit over the closure order and prevailed after a judge told the county to show evidence to justify the ban on in-person dining, and there wasn’t any.
Too late, however, because the Newsom administration had followed L.A. County’s restaurant closure with a regional ban of its own, and that one is still in effect even though California Health Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly admitted that the restaurant ban was “not a comment on the relative safety of outdoor dining,” but instead “really has to do with the goal of trying to keep people at home.”
The technical term for this policy is “lying.” The price of it is the complete loss of credibility. The wrong response to the loss of credibility is an escalation of the lying in an effort to regain control of the population.
For example, consider the state’s new “adjusted” ICU metric. Out of the blue, the Newsom administration declared that regions of the state would be under strictest lockdown orders whenever intensive care units in the region’s hospitals filled up beyond 85 percent of capacity. Then the administration created its own definition of “available” ICU beds based on its own estimate of how many non-COVID patients might need them. So a county that had, say, 10 percent available capacity suddenly dropped to 0 percent after the adjustment.
This had the effect of creating terrifying headlines, much like the restaurant closure. Presumably it scared people into staying home and isolated throughout the holiday season instead of doing things such as shopping, going to church or seeing friends and family.<<