Surge Pricing Holding Up (Semi) Annual Increase ...

FigmentForver96

Well-Known Member
Well...looks like a fine time to return from my little hiatus. How y'all been?

I was gonna ask, "What did I miss?"...then this is the first thread I see.

So, prices going up. Not a surprise.

What worries me are the other rumblings I'm hearing. The ones that foreshadow statements like:

"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."
That would more then likely be the final nail in the coffin for me. They need to stop treating their guest like they are clueless idiots who will pay anything to get their "magic"...even though that is the case for the average tourist sadly.
 

CJR

Well-Known Member
Are you saying - in effect - a return to ticket books?

I could see it in addition to a gate price that would cover smaller attractions. I mean, I don't foresee a lot of people giving up a ticket to experience Disney/Pixar Short Film Festival.

If not, one positive out of it would be that it would encourage Disney to pump out real quality attractions.
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
What worries me are the other rumblings I'm hearing. The ones that foreshadow statements like:

"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."

No chance of lowering the base ticket price, of course.

Sounds like the mantra is "pay more, ride less," which can eventually become "pay a lot more, ride a little more."
 

TalkingHead

Well-Known Member
If not, one positive out of it would be that it would encourage Disney to pump out real quality attractions.

In theory, maybe. Based on management's apparent attitude, there's no reason to believe that. They're aiming for one-time guests who will pay premium prices for diminished offerings; what difference does it make if they feel fleeced with underwhelming attractions?

There's more suckers -- oops, I mean "valued guests" -- to replace them.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Well...looks like a fine time to return from my little hiatus. How y'all been?

I was gonna ask, "What did I miss?"...then this is the first thread I see.

So, prices going up. Not a surprise.

What worries me are the other rumblings I'm hearing. The ones that foreshadow statements like:

"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."
Repentant Orc on Twitter said something similar and it could be coming to Disneyland.
https://twitter.com/AnotherVoiceDIS/status/700042696048513025
@OTownguy79 @21royalstreet It's coming. MM+ is key for phased admissions, quantity locked rides, upsale events and other plans.
https://twitter.com/AnotherVoiceDIS/status/700043677565988864
.@OTownguy79 @21royalstreet "Would you like the 9 Experience Magical 1 Day Pass or the 12 Experience Deluxe Dreams 1 Day Pass?"
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
In theory, maybe. Based on management's apparent attitude, there's no reason to believe that. They're aiming for one-time guests who will pay premium prices for diminished offerings; what difference does it make if they feel fleeced with underwhelming attractions?

There's more suckers -- oops, I mean "valued guests" -- to replace them.
Also known as rubes.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
I could see it in addition to a gate price that would cover smaller attractions. I mean, I don't foresee a lot of people giving up a ticket to experience Disney/Pixar Short Film Festival.

If not, one positive out of it would be that it would encourage Disney to pump out real quality attractions.
That would be your free attraction ala "If you had wings" except it sucks
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Well...looks like a fine time to return from my little hiatus. How y'all been?

I was gonna ask, "What did I miss?"...then this is the first thread I see.

So, prices going up. Not a surprise.

What worries me are the other rumblings I'm hearing. The ones that foreshadow statements like:

"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."
Boy did Merf see this one coming
 

thehowiet

Wilson King of Prussia
"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."

Wow...I guess there's never a lack of creativity when it comes to separating cash from their guests...

That would more then likely be the final nail in the coffin for me.

Same here. The frequency of our visits has already declined greatly as of recent. A move like the one @Lee references above would surely be the end for me. It's crazy to me that they would stoop that low, but I'm not sure why I should be surprised given the trajectory that they're on.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Actually, last I had checked, you were the only person that had seen them. The many, many other people that respond to you stating that they have received surveys with lengthy areas allowing negative feedback.

You are correct though that flawed data in can lead to flawed predictions. The survey data that you speak of though is qualitative data, which in most cases is treated as a minor part of an overall analysis. The quantitative things are what measures will be used to predict. Given historical seasonal attendance, guest and cast member characteristics, build a model that predicts something like expected attraction wait time. Then change the CM mix, reduce the number of CMs manning attractions while holding the other values constant and see what the predicted wait time will be. Do the same for any number of qualitative metrics and make the decision based on this. None of which would use any sort of "flawed" surveys.

I don't think I was imagining the surveys, And a few other posters have mentioned being booted,

You are almost certainly correct in that there are multiple inputs to the modeling system. One must also look at the organization and we DO know that Disney has a dysfunctional management structure from multiple insiders (of which I'm not one of) and that also leads to flawed design, The short version is today's Disney is not Toyota where quality and process improvement are part of the company's DNA and only initiatives that 'save' money are rewarded at Disney unlike Toyota where any employee can 'stop the line' if they encounter a quality problem. In today's disney as multiple insiders have also noted pointing out issues at Disney is a 'Career Limiting Move'. In any case with big data decision support systems the results are only as good as the model created.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I get that. I guess I'll correct myself (and my little poke at @ford91exploder, which was intended for him) that some of these surveys have existed, though the reports of them seem massively tiny compared to the people who have received perfectly normal surveys. For every mention of one, I typically see 10 or so people respond on the number of surveys they have received that do allow negative opinions. Presenting a skewed example as the majority is misrepresenting the facts.
It's like claiming massive voter fraud when nationwide something like 10 provable cases of fraud exist.

Ooops, that might be a bit too political...

The issue @sshindel is how many are willing to TALK about getting something different, Since we are doing black box analysis of Disney surveys we have no means of knowing how many of each type of survey was sent out we KNOW there are multiple types but what we don't know is the distribution of same.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I believe @the.dreamfinder lists 2018 somewhere above so there it is. Get your visits in between now and either January 1, 2018 or December 31, 2018 because Walt Disney World will be gone at that point. Buried under a house of cards from what I read. Of course, exploder did say a while back it would be broken off and sold so maybe that is part of the same 2018 end game?

Not me it was @WDW1974 who posted P&R was being shopped around with Prince Alaweed (huge holding in DLP) as the potential buyer this was back in the 2007 time frame I believe
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
So, I need to be ready with the capital by 2018. If they are breaking it apart, I want to buy the Tiki Room. I wonder what it'll cost to transport it to Illinois.

Bidding war @sshindel I want the Tiki room too, Although the train and a couple miles of track would be a nice consolation prize, It would complement my existing live steam motors (which I built from castings and bar stock)
 

Stevek

Well-Known Member
Then can someone explain why the parks are busier than ever and more expensive than ever? Just curious.
In terms of Disneyland, it's my firm belief that the monthly payment plan is driving 99% of the crowds. The dramatic increase in attendance once they introduced them has me pretty convinced. But Disney, just like many Disneyland AP's, has drank too much cool-aid and won't do the right thing and either a) drop the monthly payments altogether or b) charge those on the monthly payment plan a 20%+ surcharge.

As much as I'd love to take the family back to WDW in the next year or two, not likely to happen especially if the surge pricing goes into effect. I'm not willing to pull them out of high school in order to visit in a lower priced time period...which will probably become even more crowded as folks try to buy in when it's cheaper.

It's been a fun 40+ years of visiting Disney parks...time to move on.
 

Stevek

Well-Known Member
Who are you talking to?
Seemed pretty clear that his "you'll" was a general statement directed at nobody in particular. My guess is that 99% of the folks reading it didn't personally feel attacked...and he's right, if people did decide to get off the Disney heroin, they would realize there are some pretty amazing things to see across our beautiful country.
 

No Name

Well-Known Member
I believe that. Is it just some random coincidence that Disney announced a new meet and greet location and new stage show (and released RoL and Norway pavillion info and art) right as this whole forum started panicing about cuts? These things have been under contsruction/development for a while and don't open till spring at the earliest. They definitely didn't need to announce them now. Disney has a list of announcements waiting to be released, and when things start to turn against them even the slightest bit, they pull one of these announcements off the shelf.

It's like holding a flat board and balancing a ball on it. You try to keep the ball in the middle, but when it starts to roll one way, you have to tilt the board other way to keep it from falling off.
 

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