Surge Pricing Holding Up (Semi) Annual Increase ...

Siren

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Good. Raise prices more. The parks are too crowded. They should raise them and raise them until they feel some resistance from the market.
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Florida just had over 105 Million guests and at least 62 Million of that was just in Orlando. I know that Disney could stand to build more rides but it wouldn't do much to offset long lines during peak times -- because new attractions attract more people, so it could have the opposite effect.

Well...looks like a fine time to return from my little hiatus. How y'all been?

I was gonna ask, "What did I miss?"...then this is the first thread I see.

So, prices going up. Not a surprise.

What worries me are the other rumblings I'm hearing. The ones that foreshadow statements like:

"I'm sorry sir. Your daily Magical Pass only allows you one ride on Tower of Terror per day. You should consider upgrading to the More Magical Pass which would give you up to three rides. It's only $49.99 more per day, per person."
I don't mind the "more is more" concept. I just had an amazing trip at Disney and we rode everything once in a day and that was suffice. There were so many other things to see and do at Disney -- we just couldn't do it all.

Disney is the only theme park destination in the world that offers Fastpass for *free*. At all of the other parks like Cedar Point and Six Flags, if you want to ride more you have to pay more.

At Universal, you even have to pay extra to ride on Hogwarts. Just imagine if Disney charged people to take the monorail, which I wouldn't mind if they actually replaced all the monorails and fixed the beam. It is not fun being stuck on that monorail.

I got to Disney once a year for five or six days tops and it is more than suffice. Disney is forcing people who unrealistically want to make going to Disney a lifestyle, with multiples trips per year and whatnot to make some painful decisions. This group is not that valued and Disney is hitting them right in the pocket, in my opinion.
 
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GiveMeTheMusic

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Unfortunately, I have to agree. Orlando just had over 105 Million guests! I know that Disney could stand to build more rides but it wouldn't do much to offset long lines during peak times -- because new attractions attract more people, so it could have the opposite effect.

I don't mind the "more is more" concept. I just had an amazing trip at Disney and we rode everything once in a day and that was suffice. There were so many other things to see and do at Disney -- we just couldn't do it all.

Disney is the only theme park destination in the world that has Fastpass. At all of the other parks like Cedar Point and Six Flags, if you want to ride more you have to pay more.

At Universal, you even have to pay extra to ride on Hogwarts. Just imagine if Disney charged people to take the monorail, which I wouldn't mind if they actually replaced all the monorails and fixed the beam. It is not fun being stuck on that monorail.

I got to Disney once a year for five or six days tops and it is more than suffice. Disney is forcing people who unrealistically want to make going to Disney a lifestyle, with multiples trips per year and whatnot to make some painful decisions. This group is not that valued and Disney is hitting them right in the pocket, in my opinion.

The Hogwarts Express is a legitimate themed attraction that provides an experience, as well as transportation to another park. Not a valid comparison to the monorail, which is just a people-moving transport option and not an "attraction". And they don't charge for it, you just have to have a park hopper, as it deposits you into...another park. It's brilliant, but not malicious.

Disney is indeed aiming at once in a lifetimers more and more, but the problem with alienating your regulars is that in hard times, the oncers don't show up. And hard times will come back. And when they do, if the regulars have been alienated, who will be around to pay $75 for dinner in Cinderella's Princess Sorority Cafeteria?
 

Goofyernmost

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Unfortunately, I have to agree. Orlando just had over 105 Million guests! I know that Disney could stand to build more rides but it wouldn't do much to offset long lines during peak times -- because new attractions attract more people, so it could have the opposite effect.
Just one correction there, the State of Florida had 105 million guests not just Orlando. I realize that so many people that chose to sequester themselves on 42 square miles of central Florida are not aware that there is a lot more to Florida then what they see through the windows on a Disney Bus. They may not be Disney World, but, many are very nice and fun places to be.
 

Siren

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The Hogwarts Express is a legitimate themed attraction that provides an experience, as well as transportation to another park. Not a valid comparison to the monorail, which is just a people-moving transport option and not an "attraction". And they don't charge for it, you just have to have a park hopper, as it deposits you into...another park. It's brilliant, but not malicious.

Disney is indeed aiming at once in a lifetimers more and more, but the problem with alienating your regulars is that in hard times, the oncers don't show up. And hard times will come back. And when they do, if the regulars have been alienated, who will be around to pay $75 for dinner in Cinderella's Princess Sorority Cafeteria?
The monorail is iconic, so I would argue that it is an attraction -- as there is not much difference between the monorail and the People Mover or the even the MK railroad.

I guess it's not fair to compare it to Hogwarts -- but, Disney could charge a fraction of what it costs to ride on Hogwarts but they don't. I know that Hogwarts fee is bundled in the hopper but you are still paying to ride it. And, I agree with you that it is not malicious and it is brilliant.

I just think Disney deserves more credit for not charging for every little thing like fastpass and transportation between parks and hotels, including the airport.

You've made excellent points about the life timers. I agree that Disney is taking a big risk in alienating them, so if hard times ever roll back around -- the ball will be in their court and Disney will be forced to win them back.

ETA: And, that is only if the life timers can abandon Disney altogether, which I don't see happening. This group is very vocal when it comes to Disney World. The majority never do what they say they're going to do and sadly, Disney knows this. They know the life timers will always come back -- it doesn't matter if they skip a couple of years.

In the meantime, things continue to get worse and worse for them.




Just one correction there, the State of Florida had 105 million guests not just Orlando. I realize that so many people that chose to sequester themselves on 42 square miles of central Florida are not aware that there is a lot more to Florida then what they see through the windows on a Disney Bus. They may not be Disney World, but, many are very nice and fun places to be.
Thank you for catching that. I'm just a little tired, I think I need a brisk walk, lol. Anyway, I will correct it.

For the record, I love the greater Miami area, South Beach, Ft. Lauderdale and Jupiter. I began going to South Beach back in my early teens, every February to model for fashion designers, magazines and a few catalogs, too. And I also competed in a couple of tennis matches in Jupiter in my teens. So, I am familiar with other parts of Florida besides Disney and Orlando.
 
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asianway

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The Hogwarts Express is a legitimate themed attraction that provides an experience, as well as transportation to another park. Not a valid comparison to the monorail, which is just a people-moving transport option and not an "attraction". And they don't charge for it, you just have to have a park hopper, as it deposits you into...another park. It's brilliant, but not malicious.

Disney is indeed aiming at once in a lifetimers more and more, but the problem with alienating your regulars is that in hard times, the oncers don't show up. And hard times will come back. And when they do, if the regulars have been alienated, who will be around to pay $75 for dinner in Cinderella's Princess Sorority Cafeteria?
Maybe...
 

Fantasmicguy

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I'd argue that there was a lot of science that went into making that art work. I'll agree with a point made to me last night that a balance is required, and even give that potentially that balance isn't correct at the moment.
Walt would have never been able to get anything off the ground without the numbers guys finding a way to make his dreams work.
Exactly people tend to forget there is no Walt without Roy.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Florida just had over 105 Million guests and at least 62 Million of that was just in Orlando. I know that Disney could stand to build more rides but it wouldn't do much to offset long lines during peak times -- because new attractions attract more people, so it could have the opposite effect.

I don't mind the "more is more" concept. I just had an amazing trip at Disney and we rode everything once in a day and that was suffice. There were so many other things to see and do at Disney -- we just couldn't do it all.

Disney is the only theme park destination in the world that offers Fastpass for *free*. At all of the other parks like Cedar Point and Six Flags, if you want to ride more you have to pay more.

At Universal, you even have to pay extra to ride on Hogwarts. Just imagine if Disney charged people to take the monorail, which I wouldn't mind if they actually replaced all the monorails and fixed the beam. It is not fun being stuck on that monorail.

I got to Disney once a year for five or six days tops and it is more than suffice. Disney is forcing people who unrealistically want to make going to Disney a lifestyle, with multiples trips per year and whatnot to make some painful decisions. This group is not that valued and Disney is hitting them right in the pocket, in my opinion.

Wait. Do you really think FastPass is free and not built into the cost of everything else?

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John

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The monorail is iconic, so I would argue that it is an attraction -- as there is not much difference between the monorail and the People Mover or the even the MK railroad.

I guess it's not fair to compare it to Hogwarts -- but, Disney could charge a fraction of what it costs to ride on Hogwarts but they don't. I know that Hogwarts fee is bundled in the hopper but you are still paying to ride it. And, I agree with you that it is not malicious and it is brilliant.

I just think Disney deserves more credit for not charging for every little thing like fastpass and transportation between parks and hotels, including the airport.

You've made excellent points about the life timers. I agree that Disney is taking a big risk in alienating them, so if hard times ever roll back around -- the ball will be in their court and Disney will be forced to win them back.

ETA: And, that is only if the life timers can abandon Disney altogether, which I don't see happening. This group is very vocal when it comes to Disney World. The majority never do what they say they're going to do and sadly, Disney knows this. They know the life timers will always come back -- it doesn't matter if they skip a couple of years.

In the meantime, things continue to get worse and worse for them.




Thank you for catching that. I'm just a little tired, I think I need a brisk walk, lol. Anyway, I will correct it.

For the record, I love the greater Miami area, South Beach, Ft. Lauderdale and Jupiter. I began going to South Beach back in my early teens, every February to model for fashion designers, magazines and a few catalogs, too. And I also competed in a couple of tennis matches in Jupiter in my teens. So, I am familiar with other parts of Florida besides Disney and Orlando.


Let me get this straight.....you think you get all of that for "free" and Disney doesnt charge you for it?

edit: not only do you pay for it so does everyone else even if they dont use it.
 

prberk

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WDW merchandise actually runs two ways. 90+% of the items stocked are ordered by a separate team. Clothing, souvenirs, etc. This group, I assume is using inventory analysis. At each resort, and several in the park, is a position called Data Maintenance (and the job my Mom did). Their job is to receive the orders that were placed by this outside team, handle any items that were recalled, discontinued, etc.

However, the last 10% are items ordered by the Data Maintenance person, and this includes food stuffs within the resort shops, and certain other vendor or items unique to the resort (ex. the dolls included at the tea party at the Grand). In theory, the DM would know about the specific needs of their location. But in reality, no one has ever provided any training or direction other than how to physically enter the order into the system. There is no data provided as to decide how to go about deciding quantity. And it's highly dependent on the type of guests that are staying at the resort at the time. Conventions really mess things up because some conventions the people obviously aren't on expensive accounts and others it might as well be a fraternity organized, spring break party.

My Mom started keeping a notebook where she could note the preferences of the different groups that would come through. She also tried to talk with DMs at other resorts, but mostly the answers are "We just guess." The more involved and committed to doing an excellent job the DM, the better the chance of getting the order right, but there is fairly high turnover within the position, so the odds are the DM is in over their head anyway.

I would guess that this is sad but true, especially as the days of full-time positions like that have likely gone completely away... and with it, committed people who either make their career at Disney, or aspire to, as the pinnacle of hospitality industry.

If I could I would tell your mother that I appreciate people who go the extra mile for merchandise uniqueness (or appropriateness) at the resort. I remember especially at the campground being glad to see things like kerosene and campfire items, as well as beanie-weenies and souvenirs that matched the camping theme, along with the same old crap found everywhere else.

But mostly I want to say how much I used to appreciate the diversity found in the shops at WDW. Clearly the good ole days...
 

danv3

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The Motley Fool said:
Demand-based pricing would help smooth the stigma of Disney's pricing being out of touch. There may be some bellyaching about one-day tickets during Christmas shooting up to $140, or up to $125 during the summer; but if that paves the way for $70 tickets during the slow season, it can always point to those offerings for cost-conscious travelers.

LOL. :greedy:
 
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Demand-based pricing would help smooth the stigma of Disney's pricing being out of touch. There may be some bellyaching about one-day tickets during Christmas shooting up to $140, or up to $125 during the summer; but if that paves the way for $70 tickets during the slow season, it can always point to those offerings for cost-conscious travelers.

LOL. :greedy:

Well played - Things only go UP in price at WDW.
 

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