Stop the IRAA madness!

[darthdarrel]

Stop the RIAA madness!

The RIAA has declared war on ordinary american citizens and it`s time to fight back! Instead of coming up with a better alternative to the free filesharing they are suing innocent people. Congress is going to be holding hearings on this subject.
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/

 

[Woody13]

Let's give away everything for free! Food, water, medicine, songs and cars should all be free for the asking. :lol:

 

[DMC-12]

*cough RIAA... cough*

 

[darthdarrel]

Originally posted by DMC-12
*cough RIAA... cough*

oops!:lol:
and woody if you read my post again I`m saying that instead of coming up with an alternative that would compensate the artist they are suing innocent people,and you know something, not a dime of the money collected from these suits are going to the artists,so how is this protecting the rights of the artists?

 

[GaryT977]

Originally posted by Woody13
Let's give away everything for free! Food, water, medicine, songs and cars should all be free for the asking. :lol:

In my mind, this always brings up one of those chicken/egg arguments. Is it really stealing if they were never going to buy it anyway? How can the record companies claim lost revenues if those revenues were never coming?

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by GaryT977
In my mind, this always brings up one of those chicken/egg arguments. Is it really stealing if they were never going to buy it anyway? How can the record companies claim lost revenues if those revenues were never coming?

That's a very good point, Gary. I've downloaded... *counts*eight or nine songs, lol..... all of which i would've just listened to on the radio when they came along otherwise. I never would've gone out and paid for 8 individual cd's just for those eight songs. Also, and I know this is so bad, but anytime I'm flipping channels and I come across one of those "The Fabulous life of... " shows on VH1, it makes it really hard for me to feel too guilty, lol. I know, I know, it doesn't matter whether you're stealing from somebody very very well off or somebody with next to nothing, but still. I mean, I think J. Lo spends more to have her eyebrows maintained than we spend to live for a year.

 

[DMC-12]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I think J. Lo spends more to have her eyebrows maintained than we spend to live for a year.

:lol:

 

[Clemster]

Originally posted by GaryT977
In my mind, this always brings up one of those chicken/egg arguments. Is it really stealing if they were never going to buy it anyway? How can the record companies claim lost revenues if those revenues were never coming?

My guess is that legally it's not about lost revenues, its about the copyright regarding intellectual property, the mere fact you posses a copy of the record companies music without giving them the money to posses the piece of music that they own the copyright to, therefore making it irrelevant whether you had the intention of buying it or not.

Although my view like many peoples is they have only themselves to blame, they have got greedy if the writers and performers got a fair cut out of the record sales I believe more people wouldn't mind paying up, they should of also embraced the technology when they had the opportunity and developed a system that was fair and reasonable, i'm not sure what system would of worked but i'm sure something would of.

I don't download much music off the internet, but if anything it has made me spend more money buying albums, if I download a song from an artist i've never really heard of and like what I here I'll go out and buy the album, i'm not sure how many others do this, but in my mind it's a pretty fair way of doing things.

 

[darthdarrel]

Originally posted by Clemster
My guess is that legally it's not about lost revenues, its about the copyright regarding intellectual property, the mere fact you posses a copy of the record companies music without giving them the money to posses the piece of music that they own the copyright to, therefore making it irrelevant whether you had the intention of buying it or not.

Although my view like many peoples is they have only themselves to blame, they have got greedy if the writers and performers got a fair cut out of the record sales I believe more people wouldn't mind paying up, they should of also embraced the technology when they had the opportunity and developed a system that was fair and reasonable, i'm not sure what system would of worked but i'm sure something would of.

I don't download much music off the internet, but if anything it has made me spend more money buying albums, if I download a song from an artist i've never really heard of and like what I here I'll go out and buy the album, i'm not sure how many others do this, but in my mind it's a pretty fair way of doing things.

That is EXACTLY what I do! and I think it is quite fair and legal in my mind,infact half the artists I love today I would never have had the opportunity to know! Groups like Soil and Eclipse, Theatre of tragedy, VNV Nation, Zeromancer, Deadstar assembly.....e.t.c. They refuse to play on the radio but with free filesharing all I have to do is put in a search for either gothic or industrial and wallah I get groups I never even knew existed and when I download them if I don`t like it I delete it, but if I like it I immediately go out and buy the cd!

 

[GaryT977]

Originally posted by Clemster
Although my view like many peoples is they have only themselves to blame, they have got greedy if the writers and performers got a fair cut out of the record sales I believe more people wouldn't mind paying up, they should of also embraced the technology when they had the opportunity and developed a system that was fair and reasonable, i'm not sure what system would of worked but i'm sure something would of.

Fair enough. I've never illegally downloaded music, so I can argue this from a clear conscious. However, I have been ripped off enough by the record companies over the years that it is now a matter of principle.

I absolutely refuse to pay $15-$20 for a CD that costs $.80 to make. Especially when there are typically only 2-3 songs worth hearing. I find their tactics of suing 12 year-olds to try to protect their crumbling empires disgusting.

I don't mind paying Apple $.99 for songs I know and like, and building my own CD's legally.

 

[blm07]

"Napster is taking food out of my kids' mouths. I've always dreamed about making a living at something that I love to do. And they're destroying my dream." -Dr Dre

 

[GenerationX]

I don't feel any sympathy towards the record companies; they've been ripping off artists and the music-buying public for years.

I don't feel any sympathy towards the people being sued; they've been illegally downloading copyrighted material for years.

I don't feel any sympathy towards the artists; they've responded to lack of album revenues by jacking up concert prices.

Ultimately, a new business model for recording needs to emerge, one that is equitable for the record companies, public, and artists. I'm not sure what that model is, but these lawsuits are not a logical step towards that end.

 

[EthylCooper]

One of the things that's been bothering me about these suits is that they're not suing people for downloading, but for having songs available to download.

As I've stated before in other threads, I mostly download tv shows. But virtually all of the music I've downloaded has been music I've already bought....it's just so much quicker and easier to download it than it is to rip it myself...especially the music that I bought on cassette. Making a copy of music I've bought for myself is fair use. I'm not a criminal for downloading "School's Out" when I have 4 CDs, 2 cassettes, and a CD box set that all contain that track.

Now here's the issue I'm having: Why are they holding the sharer responsible? Are all these people that I've downloaded all these Alice Cooper tracks from criminals because I downloaded "School's Out" and other music that I've already purchased legally? How would they know whether the person downloading is getting a backup copy or not?

I'm appalled that the industry has turned to suing its customers. I've decided to join the boycott and not add my money into the pot to help the RIAA terrorize and intimidate children and grandparents. If anyone else is interested, these are some excellent sites to visit: Boycott-RIAA and RIAA Radar . The second site will search artists for you and tell you whether their albums are RIAA or not, and it also has a list available of the top 100 best selling non-RIAA albums (from Amazon).

 

[Eeyore]

Originally posted by EthylCooper
If anyone else is interested, these are some excellent sites to visit: Boycott-RIAA and RIAA Radar . The second site will search artists for you and tell you whether their albums are RIAA or not, and it also has a list available of the top 100 best selling non-RIAA albums (from Amazon).

Thanks for the links. Is there anyone not in the RIAA? I've done some searches and so far everything has come up as distributed by the RIAA. I was just about to buy The Very Best of the Pogues, and now I can't. Damn RIAA!

 

[darthdarrel]

Originally posted by Eeyore
Thanks for the links. Is there anyone not in the RIAA? I've done some searches and so far everything has come up as distributed by the RIAA. I was just about to buy The Very Best of the Pogues, and now I can't. Damn RIAA!

Most of the groups that I listen to are not part of the RIAA! Hey EEYORE and ETHYLCOOPER did you you 2 follow my link to the petition to stop the RIAA`s madness?

 

[Testtrack321]

It's not the stealing that drives me crazy, it's the outrageous fines that they are applying. I mean, you can get up to $7000 per song!

LONG LIVE iTUNES MUSIC STORE! :sohappy:

 

[EthylCooper]

Originally posted by Eeyore
Thanks for the links. Is there anyone not in the RIAA? I've done some searches and so far everything has come up as distributed by the RIAA. I was just about to buy The Very Best of the Pogues, and now I can't. Damn RIAA!

OOH! OOH!! A Pogues fan!! I'm sorry that they're on an RIAA label. I'm now stuck with just the Pogues I already have, too. But I highly recommend the Dropkick Murphys, who are safe to buy! There's a CD I almost picked up at CelticFest that comes with a free DVD....I found it on the top 100 non-RIAA best sellers list from Amazon. If I don't get to go to WDW next week, I'll buy that album with the gas money I'd put aside.

Here's a link to that CD.

Also, if you look around that page, you'll find some mp3s that the Dropkick Murphys have released freely, so you can listen to them and decide before you buy them. Just follow the link "See All free song downloads by Dropkick Murphys..."

And here's a link to the top 100 list.

The RIAA Radar site also has a "Find Similar RIAA-free albums" link, which I haven't tried, but might help you find something else you'll like.

Unfortunately, something like 80-90% of all CDs are released by RIAA members.

(I also recommend Flogging Molly and the Saw Doctors, both of whom have at least a few non-RIAA albums, and you might like Black 47, who have are about half & half.)

Hope this helps, and Good Luck! :wave:

 

[EthylCooper]

Originally posted by darthdarrel
Most of the groups that I listen to are not part of the RIAA! Hey EEYORE and ETHYLCOOPER did you you 2 follow my link to the petition to stop the RIAA`s madness?

I've spent some time at the EFF page, but I rarely sign online petitions, especially if the page isn't secure. They're often not taken seriously because it's too easy for people to fake their information. It may do more good to write your congressional representative . Another site that can help you get your message to TPTB is this one , and you can read what someone else has already written here .

I haven't done either of those yet...I need to research the topic a bit more and compose something that might make a difference. I've read so much information over the past week that I can't keep straight all the government officials quoted in the articles. I'll definitely be sending to them.

 

[Eeyore]

Originally posted by EthylCooper
OOH! OOH!! A Pogues fan!! I'm sorry that they're on an RIAA label. I'm now stuck with just the Pogues I already have, too. But I highly recommend the Dropkick Murphys, who are safe to buy! There's a CD I almost picked up at CelticFest that comes with a free DVD....I found it on the top 100 non-RIAA best sellers list from Amazon. If I don't get to go to WDW next week, I'll buy that album with the gas money I'd put aside.

Here's a link to that CD.

Also, if you look around that page, you'll find some mp3s that the Dropkick Murphys have released freely, so you can listen to them and decide before you buy them. Just follow the link "See All free song downloads by Dropkick Murphys..."

And here's a link to the top 100 list.

The RIAA Radar site also has a "Find Similar RIAA-free albums" link, which I haven't tried, but might help you find something else you'll like.

Unfortunately, something like 80-90% of all CDs are released by RIAA members.

(I also recommend Flogging Molly and the Saw Doctors, both of whom have at least a few non-RIAA albums, and you might like Black 47, who have are about half & half.)

Hope this helps, and Good Luck! :wave:

Cool, Thanks! I"ll have to check those out! :wave:

 

[pisco]

Originally posted by blm07
"Napster is taking food out of my kids' mouths. I've always dreamed about making a living at something that I love to do. And they're destroying my dream." -Dr Dre

Did he drive to that interview in his $200K Ferrari? And how much food did it take out of his babies mouth to buy the mansion he always brags about having in his songs?

I have no patience for mega-wealthy artists (and in this case label owners) complaining about how the internet is sending them to the poor house.

What about cases like Wilco. If it weren't for the huge response they got from releasng their last album online they would never have gotten signed to a label and the album would never have been released.

The internet and file-sharing could have been a tremendous boost to the recording industry. But they decided to cling to the failed taticts they employed when VCRs first came out and fight the technology rather than embrace it. The main cause of lost revenues is the industry and it's inability to make use of new technologies. If something like the Apple Music store had existed 8 years ago Napster would never have been a success.