Stop the "If Walt was alive"!!!

Tick Tock

Tick Tock

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21stamps said:
...or alcohol in the MK..;)
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It doesn't count as assuming what Walt would think if he were alive when he clearly stated what he thought as he was living.

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax."
 
DisneyDoctor

DisneyDoctor

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21stamps said:
Toys R Us went out of business.

Amazon purchased Whole Foods.

I don’t think any of us could have imagined either one of those two things being a possibility 5-10-15 years ago.

I think it’s completely False to think that any of us could know what Disney World would be today if Walt Disney was still alive.
Times change, people evolve.
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Regardless of changing times, I'd like to think that Walt's principles and values that helped create the parks would remain steadfast. His tenacity, innovation, imagination, and obsession over customer service are arguably more relative today than previously. Imagine the attractions, shows, and lands he would dream up with today's technology.

It's easy to say "I think it’s completely False to think that any of us could know what Disney World would be today if Walt Disney was still alive." Yes, Walt is gone. Yes, it's no longer the 50s. But, do you really think a man of his caliber would so drastically change his core values and principles? I vote no..
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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DisneyMann said:
Why do so many people think they have intimate knowledge of Walt Disney and what he would and wouldn't like??

Between posts here and on most of the Facebook pages in the comments sections, it's so tiring and ridiculous for people to say "it's not would Walt would have wanted" or the like.

100% of those statements are so ignorant and NONE of those people have ANY clue what Walt would have wanted or thought in 2018.

Just because someone had some historical knowledge of the man, it doesn't mean you know him or what he would think 50 years after his death.
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You sound like the kid who hated history class and said "why does it matter, all these people are dead!!"

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
 
JusticeDisney

JusticeDisney

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DisneyMann said:
Why do so many people think they have intimate knowledge of Walt Disney and what he would and wouldn't like??

Between posts here and on most of the Facebook pages in the comments sections, it's so tiring and ridiculous for people to say "it's not would Walt would have wanted" or the like.

100% of those statements are so ignorant and NONE of those people have ANY clue what Walt would have wanted or thought in 2018.

Just because someone had some historical knowledge of the man, it doesn't mean you know him or what he would think 50 years after his death.
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LMAO at the ignorance of this post.
 
TwilightZone

TwilightZone

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DuckTalesWooHoo1987 said:
There are certain things Walt said he "didn't want" so if you're saying that's one of the things he didn't want then you are actually correct. It is actually speculation to say "he would have changed his mind".I guess Roy Disney was the ultimate "Walt wouldn't want that" type of guy since he tried to remove Eisner. Walt was a creator and innovator and a rare genius. I don't feel like there's a single Walt in the whole company today.
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Walt didn't want thrill rides, but eventually decided to include one in disneyland, which was matterhorn.
I think that if Walt was still alive, he might have changed a lot of his mind for a lot of things, so long as it was popular.
But that's the magic of being dead, we don't really and truly know what they would have done now.
 
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Rumrunner

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DisneyMann said:
Why do so many people think they have intimate knowledge of Walt Disney and what he would and wouldn't like??

Between posts here and on most of the Facebook pages in the comments sections, it's so tiring and ridiculous for people to say "it's not would Walt would have wanted" or the like.

100% of those statements are so ignorant and NONE of those people have ANY clue what Walt would have wanted or thought in 2018.

Just because someone had some historical knowledge of the man, it doesn't mean you know him or what he would think 50 years after his death.
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Everything I have read or heard about Walt Disney epitomizes class. He wanted his theme parks to be a special place for kids first of all, for parents, and for building and sharing wonderful memories for families. Any thing that distracts from that vision is subject to criticism and questioning as it should be. I would take Walt over all of the recent and current leaders of Disney and it isn't even close.
 
networkpro

networkpro

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In the Parks
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Batman said:
It doesn't count as assuming what Walt would think if he were alive when he clearly stated what he thought as he was living.

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax."
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Thats why the Magic Kingdom in Anaheim has had a liquor licence since 1955.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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DisneyMedStudent said:
I was speaking more on the lack of innovation in the parks. Sure, time changes. But, the developments in WDW as of late have been few and far between. His emphases on service, innovation, and creativity undoubtedly resonate with today's Disney parks, and will continue to well into the future. Very compelling arguments can be made about these three ideals lacking in TDC's current leadership.

Also, I don't think using the line "it was in the past so we have no idea now" is a strong argument. You could insert that line into almost any discussion about the past and end the discussion right there. It does little to actually further the discussion.
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Well, that is quite heavily agreed upon. Nothing much has been done for a long, long time, nothing, much less anything in the form of innovation so I agree with that, but, it isn't usually used that way, it is usually used in conjunction with the quality of the attractions that do exist and the ones that are lined up in the near future. I do not think for one minute that if Walt were to come back today, he wouldn't be slack jawed at what has happened to the parks since he left and want to know all about the technology of the 21st century. Other then that, there is no way of knowing, at all, what he would have thought of them on an individual basis.
 
Smooth

Smooth

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What would Unca Walt Do?
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Tom P.

Tom P.

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networkpro said:
Thats why the Magic Kingdom in Anaheim has had a liquor licence since 1955.
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There is no Magic Kingdom in Anaheim. The one and only Magic Kingdom is in Walt Disney World. The similarly themed park in Anaheim was originally just called Disneyland, later renamed to Disneyland Park.

Is it pedantic to point this out? Possibly. Is it irrelevant, since everyone understood what you meant? Certainly. But this is the Internet and "pedantic and irrelevant" is my middle name. (Well, Earl actually.)
 
World_Showcase_Lover007

World_Showcase_Lover007

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I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. There’s a legitimate argument to be made by thinking about how Walt would view the parks. Of course we didn’t know him in real life, but if that stops somebody from forming an opinion, this would be a dull world indeed.

It’s a fair criticism to compare Walt’s long term outlook of investment and family enjoyment to today’s management style of money grabs and short sighted quarterly profit reports. We all love Disney bc of the way it was in the past. But will kids of today love Disney in 50 years?
 
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tampabrad

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I'm sure we have all seen the original plans for the "Florida Project." A city, a theme park and residential all connected by monorail and people movers. The whole property was to be referred to as EPCOT.

That is what Walt wanted.

The original plans would have most likely bankrupted the company.

What WDW has become is far from the original idea for the property so we really have no idea of what Walt would want for what WDW has evolved into.
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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tampabrad said:
I'm sure we have all seen the original plans for the "Florida Project." A city, a theme park and residential all connected by monorail and people movers. The whole property was to be referred to as EPCOT.

That is what Walt wanted.

The original plans would have most likely bankrupted the company.

What WDW has become is far from the original idea for the property so we really have no idea of what Walt would want for what WDW has evolved into.
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In his original Florida Project film, which is available on YouTube, Walt already referred to the whole project as Disney World. He clearly distinguishes between that and EPCOT. Roy did rename it to Walt Disney World following Walt's death, but the basic Disney World name was already in place before then.
 

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