clarabellej
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With cancer, I’d be worried. The immune system is weakened. What does your doc say?
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Ok, way too complex a topic for here. But, the vaccine is 17 percent effective, approx. The reason you vaccinate is because people are dying. Healthy people. I'm a CCU RN and this is a fact. By not vaccinating, you are putting the general population at a higher risk. Also, even with an effective vaccine, if someone is compromised they can still get the flu. So if you have it, they are at higher risk because of you.
jazztrax
New Member
We avoided all buffets, washed hands frequently, especially before eating and after riding "hands on" rides like TSM. We also tried to remember not to rub our eyes or touch our face. We rode uber, and after getting in the car, realized our driver was sick. I was so freaking angry. Three days later we all came down with a sore throat and cold.
So, it's a crapshoot. All it takes is being in close quarters and have someone breathe on you or at you. Do the best you can and try to enjoy your trip.
So, it's a crapshoot. All it takes is being in close quarters and have someone breathe on you or at you. Do the best you can and try to enjoy your trip.
HARLEY80919
New Member
Bring a sanitizing spray and spray the room before opening your luggage. Get rid of the bedspread, they don't wash often and sprat the bathrooms.
Land Cruiser
New Member
I have a little one with health issues and compromised immune system. Here are some of the things I do:
In parks:
In parks:
- Everybody carries travel sanitizer that clips onto a belt loop. Use regularly.
- Carry a travel pack of disinfectant wipes to wipe down tables or booster chairs that your little one will touch while eating.
- Discourage the use of hand rails while in queues.
- Doorknobs
- Table tops
- Headboards (everybody's drool and snot covered pillows get stacked up against this germ repository every day, and so will yours)
- Remote control
- Toilet
- Faucet
clarabellej
Well-Known Member
Interesting about stomach bug. My daughter got her flu shot & had a lighter case. When she went back to school, several of the kids in her high school dance group had a horrible stomach bug. Even the teacher. I thought greeeat, here we go, just over the flu and now she’ll get the stomach junk. She didn’t catch it! Don’t know if the timing was right. If she missed the boat while she was out with the flu? This was heavy duty. Nausea, vomiting. One girl stayed home to help care for her ailing father. Still can’t believe she didn’t catch it. In the middle of dance competition season here in TX. Prime time for the spreading of cooties. Year before last my daughter had the flu just before our Apring Break Trip. Stay well everyone
Oh no! I better get my to local CVS and get a flu shot. (*insert fart noise here)
clarabellej
Well-Known Member
NelleBelle
Well-Known Member
This is exactly why I make sure everyone in my family (those in my household and in extended family who live locally who visit frequently) have had their flu shots! I work in healthcare and years ago found out I was allergic to the flu vaccine when our trauma center mandated everyone have the vaccine. I was 5 mo the pregnant at the time and OB encouraged me to get one. This was my first flu shot and little did I know that I would end up with a swollen lymph node within hours of getting the shot that was so large, it looked like I had a goiter sitting on the side of my neck. It stayed enlarged for 8 months. I had to see an ENT specialist for months. He told me I should never have a flu shot again because he didn’t know what the reaction would be. So because I can’t have the vaccine (and because I’m diabetic and more susceptible to getting sick), it’s very important that those around me have their flu shot. We have been lucky so far this season with no flu (and my mom works in a busy ER with lots of flu cases).
clarabellej
Well-Known Member
It is serious business.
I think those that have never had it, just don’t understand.
I see people walking around, talking about having the flu. Or kids get sent back to school too soon.
Real flu knocks your socks off.
When I had it years ago, it made me so weak before I began to get better. It was very scary.
With this flu. for whatever reason, some people have thought they were getting better and then took a turn for the worse again.
I think those that have never had it, just don’t understand.
I see people walking around, talking about having the flu. Or kids get sent back to school too soon.
Real flu knocks your socks off.
When I had it years ago, it made me so weak before I began to get better. It was very scary.
With this flu. for whatever reason, some people have thought they were getting better and then took a turn for the worse again.
NelleBelle
Well-Known Member
This flu worries me more than the others...seems to open the door for other respiratory issues (e.g. pneumonia developing quicky).
We just returned on the 6th. On the way down I had an inconsiderate cough machine next to me on the plane. Four days in I started to get sick. not the flu, but a respiratory illness. I'm pretty healthy as I'm in emergency medical services and have a good immune system. But, I'm still sick. Wear a mask on the plane!!
NelleBelle
Well-Known Member
That is the ABSOLUTE worst!
spock8113
Well-Known Member
DANGER: BLOVIATION AHEAD!
By not vaccinating, you are putting the general population at a higher risk.
I’m sorry to get off topic but I have to take issue with this and say this isn’t a fact, it’s a theory and a broad generalization.
It illustrates my view of peoples’ ire that get the shot directed at those who chose not to.
If I get sick, I go to the doctor.
How do you know I’m not that monkey from Outbreak?
I understand getting the shot while working in a hospital where people are recovering from child birth, surgery, chemotherapy and all-too-many auto-immune problems.
That would be a fact for the general population that is put at risk.
Correct me if I’m wrong but when you walk out of the doctor’s after getting the flu shot aren’t you carrying a case of the flu with you?
Some people get the flu after the shot.
So isn’t that putting the general population at risk as well?
The reason you vaccinate is because people are dying.
This is the misinterpretation that if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick or far worse, die.
Unfortunately and tragically, people have been dying from the flu and the CDC graphs show that this has been fairly constant rate since the 1950’s. The number of flu shots given out has increased over 1000%.
15% effective this year. 85% of the other population got it?
I’ve gotten typhus, typhoid, yellow fever, DPT, tetanus, small pox and even ate one of those little polio sugar cubes.
Why? Because they work (95-99%). These flu shots: not so much.
I liken this to the over-prescription of antibiotics in the 80’s and 90’s.
Now everyone in this very same medical community is back-tracking trying to reduce antibiotic prescriptions.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe once your system has the anti-bodies,
you now have the ability to fight whatever strain/strains are out there?
So why does everyone need a new shot every year?
How many possible strain combos can there be and furthermore, what kind of new strains
are morphing to work around today’s vaccines?
Final off-topic comment:
You all have the right to get the shot and I would not deride you for it.
I chose not to get the flu shot, but please don’t treat us like Scar or Darth Vader. (Google the real typhoid Mary)
The fact is; this is one of the worst flu seasons in a while with the greatest number of flu vaccines being given.
I’ll say no more.
Now back to the new higher price tickets…..Gggggrrrrrrr.
By not vaccinating, you are putting the general population at a higher risk.
I’m sorry to get off topic but I have to take issue with this and say this isn’t a fact, it’s a theory and a broad generalization.
It illustrates my view of peoples’ ire that get the shot directed at those who chose not to.
If I get sick, I go to the doctor.
How do you know I’m not that monkey from Outbreak?
I understand getting the shot while working in a hospital where people are recovering from child birth, surgery, chemotherapy and all-too-many auto-immune problems.
That would be a fact for the general population that is put at risk.
Correct me if I’m wrong but when you walk out of the doctor’s after getting the flu shot aren’t you carrying a case of the flu with you?
Some people get the flu after the shot.
So isn’t that putting the general population at risk as well?
The reason you vaccinate is because people are dying.
This is the misinterpretation that if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick or far worse, die.
Unfortunately and tragically, people have been dying from the flu and the CDC graphs show that this has been fairly constant rate since the 1950’s. The number of flu shots given out has increased over 1000%.
15% effective this year. 85% of the other population got it?
I’ve gotten typhus, typhoid, yellow fever, DPT, tetanus, small pox and even ate one of those little polio sugar cubes.
Why? Because they work (95-99%). These flu shots: not so much.
I liken this to the over-prescription of antibiotics in the 80’s and 90’s.
Now everyone in this very same medical community is back-tracking trying to reduce antibiotic prescriptions.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe once your system has the anti-bodies,
you now have the ability to fight whatever strain/strains are out there?
So why does everyone need a new shot every year?
How many possible strain combos can there be and furthermore, what kind of new strains
are morphing to work around today’s vaccines?
Final off-topic comment:
You all have the right to get the shot and I would not deride you for it.
I chose not to get the flu shot, but please don’t treat us like Scar or Darth Vader. (Google the real typhoid Mary)
The fact is; this is one of the worst flu seasons in a while with the greatest number of flu vaccines being given.
I’ll say no more.
Now back to the new higher price tickets…..Gggggrrrrrrr.
No. The flu shot contains inactivated (dead) virus that cannot replicate. From the CDC:
Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Can the flu vaccine give me the flu?
No, a flu vaccine cannot cause flu illness. Flu vaccines that are administered with a needle are currently made in two ways: the vaccine is made either with a) flu vaccine viruses that have been ‘inactivated’ and are therefore not infectious, or b) with no flu vaccine viruses at all (which is the case for recombinant influenza vaccine). The nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened), and therefore cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist.
While a flu vaccine cannot give you flu illness, there are different side effects that may be associated with getting a flu shot or a nasal spray flu vaccine. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of bad case of flu.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that may occur are:
- Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
- Fever (low grade)
- Aches
- Fever (low grade)
This is the CDC. It reflect the consensus of the scientific medical community. They are paid to protect us from diseases. They'd lose their jobs if they don't. Anyone who gives conflicting information, even if they're "in the medical profession" is in the minority and almost certainly not onboard with real scientific method, or, they have a quirky ideology they're pushing.
I preface this with I will not further engage. You are 100 percent wrong. I'll start with the most glaring error, which is your concern that after the shot you are "carrying a case of the flu". The vaccine is attenuated, a dead virus. Some people get the flu after the shot is true, but competely unrelated to the vaccine. Second, I will correct you because you are wrong. The flu is a virus, it mutates and changes. There are many influenza viruses. If you develop antibodies for one variety, it is not helpful with the others. So, no you are not at all protected against other strains. In fact, one of the reasons this year's vaccine is only 17 percent effective, is because the vaccine mutated during its manufacture. If you plan to remain in your home, alone, without contact to the outside world then yes, you aren't affecting anyone else. It when you are first infected, you are contagious and not showing symptoms. There for your trip to the supermarket risks everyone else you come in contact with. And everyone they do, etc. So your decision DOES affect others. It's bad enough your mak8ng irresponsible decisions based on a lack of knowledge, but to make statements as if they were fact, when they are scientifically inaccurate, is grossly irresponsible. Below is a link to a Time article that might shed s9me light. As I said though, I'm done here. I will not respond in any way to this again.
http://time.com/5052980/flu-season-2017-flu-shot/
It is not a media hype. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I see the reality every day. Your decision DOES affect others. You are correct that the vaccine is only partially effective, about 17 percent this year. It is also true that the plane is the place most likely to get the flu. Regarding symptom reduction, the Tamiflu prescribed for flu is what decreases symptoms, not the vaccine. Finally, washing hands, using gel etc are excellent suggestions to prevent illness. However flu is transmitted by droplets, so coughing sneezing, exhaling, are how it is spread. I included a link to a Time article that helps explain why not getting the flu shot does affect others.
http://time.com/5052980/flu-season-2017-flu-shot/
21stamps
Well-Known Member
I don’t want to jinx myself, but so far my son has not shown any flu symptoms. Therefore, although he was exposed by me, he didn’t contract it from me.
His best friend was just diagnosed with the flu yesterday, so now I’m worried about that for the next few days. Hopefully we’ll still be ok.
Both of us had flu shots. So did the shot fail me but help my son?
No way to know for certain, but it solidifies my belief/experiences with the Flu Shot being a no-brainer.
His best friend was just diagnosed with the flu yesterday, so now I’m worried about that for the next few days. Hopefully we’ll still be ok.
Both of us had flu shots. So did the shot fail me but help my son?
No way to know for certain, but it solidifies my belief/experiences with the Flu Shot being a no-brainer.
Otterhead
Well-Known Member
If you choose not to get the flu shot because you don't believe the science, you're putting other people, including children, at risk because of your ignorance. I have no respect for people like that.
Sigh. And then 20 minutes later...
If you get the flu shot, and you still get the flu, are you still responsible for infecting the people you come in contact with while you're contagious but not symptomatic? Or is it the vaccine manufacturer's fault?