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State soliciting bids for I-Drive rail; closes at end of month; may go to Disney
- Thread starter PeterAlt
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You mean "if" it opens. Lol
lazyboy97o
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Transportation system do not inherently help people. If not properly considered they can cause harm.
Cesar R M
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I think that is his way of saying "Dont bother me anymore about this" lol
That's a terrible attitude. Instead of wishing them luck and hoping they succeed, you're already writing them off. I was just being realistic when I said "if they succeed". I really hope they do, but the odds are against them.
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fillerup
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Of course they get gridlocked - routinely. The 417 and Osceola Parkway? Well, pretty much never.
Sorry - not so obvious to me, but certainly a possibility.
The only proposal on the table currently is American Maglev. Their numbers - 32 minutes to Disney, plus whatever the staion time would be at Medical City. 12 minutes would be nice, but is pretty unlikely. Hopefully though, there's going to be another proposal on the table shortly.
So the train would be free? Amer Maglev, two years ago, suggested a fare to the OCCC of $13. So $20 to Disney seems about right. Getting from there to free seems difficult.
Look - just for the record, I love rail. I'd love to see Florida and the rest of the country criss crossed with rail,, but it isn't cheap, isn't easy and won't work easily in Florida. I happen to think Orlando Sunrail is going to be a folly, but I'll be one of the first to ride it.
Peter - I'm not sure I'd hold up South Florida rail as an example. As I'm sure you know, it's bleeding vast amounts of money every year.
Our neighbor Miami-Dade (I'm two counties up in Palm Beach County) had its problems a few years ago due to corruption within the Miami-Dade Transit Agency. The Feds reigned in and took over. It's now under control, but we (they) will not get Federal matching funds for expansion routes that were once promised.
A few more things -
Re: SunRail - I agree with you but for different reasons. It will be a disaster because it doesn't connect to OIA, I-Drive, and Disney. It will be a disaster because there are no grade separations for the entire route. Lots of people will die in accidents because of this stupid decision by law makers motivated by trying to save money. Also, there will be worse traffic on the roads because of that.
Israel has committed to a budget that will update its national rail system to be 100% electrified, double tracked, and grade separated, with high speed links connecting the major cities.
Japan has been there, done that. It is now deploying higher speed maglev.
China and EU nations are deploying high speed rail at a very aggressive pace.
Nations that have deployed high speed rail are doing better economically than those that haven't and yet better as deployed.
TimeTrip
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IMO, it will also fail because the majority of people working downtown aren't within a reasonable distance of a station coupled with the fact that I don't think a majority of people alone the lines actually work downtown. That's what will happen when you try to force trains onto a suburban sprawl.
Correlation does not imply causation.
That's why I added the part "and doing better as deployed". In other words, those nations are doing better after deployment than before deployment.
I agree.
lazyboy97o
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And what of the Eurozone crisis?
Countries that have deployed high speed rail like Germany and France are pulling the weight of the rest of the Euro Zone.
lazyboy97o
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Who also have high speed rail service.
Please don't suggest the answer to the European recession is high speed rail.
No, I wouldn't suggest that...
Countries that deploy high speed rail aren't doing better economically because of high speed rail, but when you move people and good around more efficiently and more economically, it certainly helps. Economies are like machines with many integrated parts that make it work. The transportation element is but one of many.
Mouse_Trap
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Good Lord! Did someone actually claim this? Our education system must be failing us.
Seems like Newton's laws of motion have fallen out of the curriculum? The third law in particular.
It averaged 11,500 riders a day in 2013, marginally up on 2012 figures.
IMO the reasons it's not more successful:
1 - it's too expensive at around $5 per journey or $12 for 24 hours. For a family, a taxi may even be cheaper and probably quicker.
2 - Many of the attractions/hotels are very close together, therefore within walking distance. You don't need transport unless you want to go a significant distance.
3 - It doesn't begin at the airport and doesn't end at Freemont.
It's never going to appeal to those who need a car e.g. visiting a number of parks and staying off-site. However if staying in one area, be that Disney or Universal then it would work out cheaper than renting a car.
Apart from the cost, which imo is far too high to encourage ridership it's a maximum of 1 step more than the current process. You could be at Disney before you could even have gotten out of the car rental garage and probably quicker than the Disney bus - especially during busy times.
Don't forget Disney could scrap the bus and instead subsidise this instead, maybe even make it free for those staying on-site.
With any sense, it would call at Universal, Convention Centre, Seaworld, Disney TTC. That way anyone staying at a Monorail resort could just switch monorails to get to their hotel......It would also give the TTC a purpose again.
France has been pretty much on it's knees the last few years. Only Germany seems to be doing well in the Eurozone, and of course the UK on the edge of the europe is leading the way.In the UK there is another large scale high speed rail line in the early stages, however there is a lot of opposition to it. The cost is very high and only provides a time saving to already well served parts of the country, although it adds additional capacity (essentially it follows an existing line for much of the route). Most people think that the money could be better spent expanding lines to parts of the country not served.