George Lucas on a Bench
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Star Wars themed land announced for Disneyland
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Figments Friend
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But so what if they are? I guess I'm confused as to why there's always a negative knee-jerk reaction from some fans every time something momentous is announced that will change the status quo at DL or MK.
When I was growing up with DL in the 70s and 80s one of the things we'd look forward to most was what big and bold new thing was in the pipeline. Imagining myself as a 12 year old kid today reading this news I'd probably not be so inspired that I wouldn't be able to sleep thinking about the possible ways the new land will be laid out and what the surrounding reconfigurations might look like.
If this rumor turns out to be true I'll certainly miss the current Frontierland layout, but DL's legacy can't be that it hit its last stride with the opening of Indiana Jones at the end of the last century. An addition to the park the size and scope of this development is long overdue.
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lazyboy97o
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Disney hasn't done big and bold in years. This is just more destruction for branding because themed entertainment is the lowest, most crass form of entertainment, unable to support itself and generate compelling experiences like the vistas of Frontierland.
Californian Elitist
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EXACTLY.
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At DL no, which is exactly my point. However, the scope of the DCA redo was big and definitely bold. Although Disney didn't pay the bill WDI's work on TDS set a new standard for immersive theming and storytelling. SDL appears to be a compelling re-imagining of the magic kingdom concept (with the exception of maybe FL), and the DHS overhaul looks like its going to be at least as elaborate as what they did at DCA. I get your skepticism, but the sky is falling routine seems out of place here given that we've seen no renderings, models, or other details to tell us what the plans are.
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Stevek
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Apparently not.
Stevek
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Because Disney fans always expect the worse...and are generally there first in line on opening day to experience whatever they planned on hating
Stevek
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I think you're on the right track on most if not all of your points. 2 & 4 were what I was originally thinking as well. As beautiful as a ride around the ROA is, I doubt it's attractions are what you would call people eaters...and Tom Sawyer Island is a shell of what it once used to be. Not saying I agree with their rationale if this is indeed true, but completely feasible this is their thinking.
Stevek
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Cars Land isn't big and bold? Or are you specifically saying they won't take a risk and do something bold like Western River Expedition that isn't tied to IP? Unfortunately, those days are most likely long gone. It's all about synergy which quite honestly, the average guest nowadays probably enjoys and/or expects. By average, I mean those that don't spend considerable time like us on message boards debating, praising or condemning everything Disney does.
Jiggsawpuzzle35
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Not liking this idea at all of destroying part of Tom Sawyers Island and Rivers of America. On the other hand, bring on Star Wars Land. I'm not gonna sit here and be angry and sign useless petitions. It is what it is.
Californian Elitist
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Lazyboy is talking about original concepts big in scope, and he's absolutely correct. Disney hasn't accomplished anything like that in years.
Curious Constance
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I don't believe anyone needs to freak out just yet when Disney hasn't even made any official announcements about what the plans actually are. But I agree with Hans, if it happens, it won't be tragic. Change can be good and has a tendency to sound much worse than it actually ends up being.
dweezil78
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Honestly, as long as the main view of ROA from Big Thunder to NOS to Critter Country remains unchanged, I'm not going to be torn apart by this. The Fort Wilderness portion of Tom Sawyer's Island has been closed since 2007 so it's not doing anyone any good. Will it suck to have a shorter journey around the river the one or two times of the year I go for a spin on the Mark Twain? I guess so...but not really? I think everyone's a little too knee jerky about all this. As long as it's all happening on the back side it really doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Totally agree, The latest rumors about the rerouting of the train, the river, and half the island disappearing sound drastic and alarming but they may not even be true. Even if they are true it could be done with fairly little impact to the existing park. I did a little sketch up and there is no reason the Mickey theater would have to be touched and the construction could still be limited to mostly the Big Thunder area and some backstage areas, an added benefit of rerouting the river is it could allow for another path that would eliminate a dead end. Here's my very crude sketch of how they could reroute the train after Hungry Bear (Red), cut through the island for the Mark Twain (Blue), and fill in the back half (Green) to gain a lot of land that is currently underutilized space.
Another option would still include the back half filled in (green) and the cut through (blue) but leave the train tracks in their current area with the themed Star Wars area and the front of the building in the "new" ROA land and the show buildings on the other side of the tracks.
I will consider everything a rumor until I see leaked blueprints but after the initial shock wore off and I took a good look at the proposed rumor I could honestly live with this and it looks like a good use of mostly underutilized space. I still hold hope that they won't touch the ROA but I could see the logic behind it and it could be done without destroying the feel of the park.
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TP2000
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That's exactly how I feel.
Only the southern half of Tom Sawyer Island is in use. Shave off the northern third of it and shorten the boat trips by 3 or 4 minutes. Spruce up the overgrown and ratty vegetation along that part of the trip. Replace the Wiggling Mannequin tribe in the Indian Village with something more entertaining and engaging.
And then use all that extra acreage for a kick-butt Star Wars Land.
This will be crummy for the 12 to 18 months that the Rivers of America is closed. But the Rivers of America was already planned to be drained for a few months in 2016 anyway since they do a drained rehab every 7 years. It will probably also be ugly for most of that time from many angles, but this has happened over and over and over in Disneyland's 60 year history. It just has to happen.
Whether it was the last big rehab in 2009.
Or the massive reconstruction of the entire River and all the boats for Fantasmic! in 1991-92.
Or the constant River construction and additions that Walt did out in the open throughout the 1950's and 60's.
These types of scenes are about to be repeated again in 2016. And Bloggers will be besides themselves with joy!
Curious Constance
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Holy cow, will it really be seven years since the last time they drained the Roa?!That's exactly how I feel.
Only the southern half of Tom Sawyer Island is in use. Shave off the northern third of it and shorten the boat trips by 3 or 4 minutes. Spruce up the overgrown and ratty vegetation along that part of the trip. Replace the Wiggling Mannequin tribe in the Indian Village with something more entertaining and engaging.
And then use all that extra acreage for a kick-butt Star Wars Land.
This will be crummy for the 12 to 18 months that the Rivers of America is closed. But the Rivers of America was already planned to be drained for a few months in 2016 anyway since they do a drained rehab every 7 years. It will probably also be ugly for most of that time from many angles, but this has happened over and over and over in Disneyland's 60 year history. It just has to happen.
Whether it was the last big rehab in 2009.
Or the massive reconstruction of the entire River and all the boats for Fantasmic! in 1991-92.
Or the constant River construction and additions that Walt did out in the open throughout the 1950's and 60's.
These types of scenes are about to be repeated again in 2016. And Bloggers will be besides themselves with joy!
Smiddimizer
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On the plus side, there'll be plenty more opportunities to ease congestion. Getting in and out of the land should be easier with multiple entrances, and they can get rid of that dead end in Critter Country.
I still don't see an endgame where the open wilderness view and feel you get from NoS, CC and FL isn't tarnished. I never bothered with the boat rides (since the few times I'm there it's just a mad dash trying to get on everything), but that doesn't mean I don't sympathize highly with those who did. It's an original (not that that matters) and it's really the only place in the park that feels wild and open instead of...cramped.
I still don't see an endgame where the open wilderness view and feel you get from NoS, CC and FL isn't tarnished. I never bothered with the boat rides (since the few times I'm there it's just a mad dash trying to get on everything), but that doesn't mean I don't sympathize highly with those who did. It's an original (not that that matters) and it's really the only place in the park that feels wild and open instead of...cramped.