Sirwalterraleigh
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I always do a double take when i see "Tarantino" and anything other than a Tarantino movie in the same sentence...
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.
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I always do a double take when i see "Tarantino" and anything other than a Tarantino movie in the same sentence...
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Seriously... you need to rewatch TFA. There is nothing subtle about the Starkiller base blowing up the entire system and the fleet. You can see the offworld ships all becoming consumed as the planets explode. It’s sort of one of the major set pieces of that movie.
I honestly don’t know what else you expect? Did TLJ really require a flash back of this?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Seriously... you need to rewatch TFA. There is nothing subtle about the Starkiller base blowing up the entire system and the fleet. You can see the offworld ships all becoming consumed as the planets explode. It’s sort of one of the major set pieces of that movie.
I honestly don’t know what else you expect? Did TLJ really require a flash back of this?
I can't make it through force awakens...it's that dull...and a reboot.
But did you seriously blow that thing up on pause? I'll give you credit for your dedication to making sense out of nonsense...
But it gets me back here: why is the whole conflict so small? Why, why, why? There's no room for the imagination to take the universe where it could go...a couple of ships and a couple of people? Really?
Guess the 80's were "too big"? The direction is flawed.
bclane
Well-Known Member
He didn’t blow the scene up at all. The shot of the ships being destroyed along with the planet fills the entire screen:
And as for the rest of your post, imo, you are actually making less and less sense as this discussion goes forward. What do you mean by, “guess the 80s where too big”? Since the 80s the Star Wars mythology has expanded exponentially! We are introduced to new worlds, tech, and characters with every new movie (not to mention the EU stuff). Think of how many places we visit in the original trilogy and then compare that to what we know now about the same galaxy. I just don’t understand your argument at all. And yes, the First Order has all but beaten the Resistance that is actively fighting with Leia. But fear not, the ending of the movie shows that the Legend of Luke Skywalker is now set to inspire people across the galaxy to pick up the fight. This is the spark that was needed to wake up Leia’s friends spread across the known regions. And further, the Force is awakening in people everywhere apparently as even the poor and enslaved are being chosen. If anything, this greatly expands the mythology...imo.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
I think the reason that TLJ doesn’t make sense to you is because you may have slept thru TFA.
The story picked up after the end of The Force Awakens, without having that backstory I can see where it may be confusing.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The 80's...and even, "gasp", the prequels...felt like a war...as in "pick a side" because it was all encompassing...
I'd say even rogue one did that pretty well.
7 and 8 feel like somekind localized video game type format...there's no "size" to it except for Death Star 3 that lasted the typical 15 minutes....
I personally (so you don't need to tell me I'm wrong) don't feel that these movies are "epic"
Even the battle at the end...huge army on one side and 13? Refurbished junk things on the other... I think they shot down at least 20 or so...it didn't play correctly. Looked amateur compared to empire with stop motion...
Just don't get why they took it this way...
I'd say even rogue one did that pretty well.
7 and 8 feel like somekind localized video game type format...there's no "size" to it except for Death Star 3 that lasted the typical 15 minutes....
I personally (so you don't need to tell me I'm wrong) don't feel that these movies are "epic"
Even the battle at the end...huge army on one side and 13? Refurbished junk things on the other... I think they shot down at least 20 or so...it didn't play correctly. Looked amateur compared to empire with stop motion...
Just don't get why they took it this way...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think the reason that TLJ doesn’t make sense to you is because you may have slept thru TFA.
The story picked up after the end of The Force Awakens, without having that backstory I can see where it may be confusing.
Force awakens was an elaborate reboot to kill off the old characters...that much seems clear. I've seen it a couple of times and there isn't much more to add.
I do remember the hux clip and the Kylo ren watching the Star laser thing go across the screen and into the little cluster of planets...
Didn't realize there were ships - not that they told us that THAT was the fleet anyway...ships do move and all - but that makes more sense now. Doesn't change much though.
bclane
Well-Known Member
To each their own...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
To each their own...
Exactly...
But I would probably agree with you more if you explained why you liked this movie in a little more detail?
You weren't the one that said the series "needed to feel like more of an underdog story"...were you?
It's all blurring into one
rael ramone
Well-Known Member
Thoughts:
Did the film give me moments of entertainment? Do I find myself interested enough in it to post comments on a board about it? Do I want to see how the story finishes in two years? Was it an improvement over the last 'saga' picture? Am I willing to see it in the theater again if a member of the family wants to see it?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
So this film, to me, is a partial success. (My anger at JJ-Trek is so much that I made no attempt to see the last film in JJ-verse, or even read about it).
But this film has problems. Enough that I wouldn't see it again unless it was with a member of my family, and I certainly have no interest in buying it.
Now what *might* be a forgivable problem: Leia Poppins.
It looked bad. Real bad. But what might make it understandable is if what we saw on the screen wasn't what was intended - that it was going to be something made to look better in post-production - but that post-production fix would have required the participation of Carrie Fisher, who wasn't available. (Yes, I know they said they said all her filming was complete)...
But a lot of the flaws in the film (and the other new 'saga' film, for that matter) reminded me of what Joe Jennings said in the making of Star Trek Wrath of Khan (in the 'special features' in the 2 dvd set).
'You establish a framework, you establish the rules. Then you got to be honest with those rules'. (And yes, they violated the framework by his own admission when they had a torpedo bay that required manual labor).
But in this film, it's one thing to show 'new facets' of the existing franchise framework, it's another thing to throw out continuity completely because 'it looks cool'. To add to what others have mentioned that do this, I add the 'Ninja Snoke Guards'. Took me right out of the picture... If my memory is correct, their weapons were wrapping around the light saber blades.
Add me to those who isn't 'all aboard' on Rey's parentage... Perhaps this 'loophole' will be filled in Episode 9. But I feel like there's the potential that they are simply ignoring what came before (including in 7, both Snoke & Kylo knew of Rey's existence) because it interfered with the story they wanted to tell in 8. Framework, Framework, Framework....
And perhaps this was meant to send a message about how things happen in Corporations, but a single volunteer attempting to take off with a escape pod will get you thrown in the brig, but disobeying a direct order from an Admiral that directly results in massive loss of life & equipment get's you a 'demotion'?....
And the Canto Bight diversion... in many respects it felt like cinematic 'busy work'. Give Characters Something To Do. (I wonder though if the 'Military Industrial Complex' angle will come back in 9, or will it end up just being more filler)...
As far as Leia's story - Leia Poppins looked bad, but having her last to the end of the film was the correct decision. Recasting for the future is wrong - you risk the new actress outacting 2014-2016 Carrie Fisher. For people who want to see the conclusion of Admiral Leia's story, they can always do a 'canon' novel to complete it....
Did the film give me moments of entertainment? Do I find myself interested enough in it to post comments on a board about it? Do I want to see how the story finishes in two years? Was it an improvement over the last 'saga' picture? Am I willing to see it in the theater again if a member of the family wants to see it?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
So this film, to me, is a partial success. (My anger at JJ-Trek is so much that I made no attempt to see the last film in JJ-verse, or even read about it).
But this film has problems. Enough that I wouldn't see it again unless it was with a member of my family, and I certainly have no interest in buying it.
Now what *might* be a forgivable problem: Leia Poppins.
It looked bad. Real bad. But what might make it understandable is if what we saw on the screen wasn't what was intended - that it was going to be something made to look better in post-production - but that post-production fix would have required the participation of Carrie Fisher, who wasn't available. (Yes, I know they said they said all her filming was complete)...
But a lot of the flaws in the film (and the other new 'saga' film, for that matter) reminded me of what Joe Jennings said in the making of Star Trek Wrath of Khan (in the 'special features' in the 2 dvd set).
'You establish a framework, you establish the rules. Then you got to be honest with those rules'. (And yes, they violated the framework by his own admission when they had a torpedo bay that required manual labor).
But in this film, it's one thing to show 'new facets' of the existing franchise framework, it's another thing to throw out continuity completely because 'it looks cool'. To add to what others have mentioned that do this, I add the 'Ninja Snoke Guards'. Took me right out of the picture... If my memory is correct, their weapons were wrapping around the light saber blades.
Add me to those who isn't 'all aboard' on Rey's parentage... Perhaps this 'loophole' will be filled in Episode 9. But I feel like there's the potential that they are simply ignoring what came before (including in 7, both Snoke & Kylo knew of Rey's existence) because it interfered with the story they wanted to tell in 8. Framework, Framework, Framework....
And perhaps this was meant to send a message about how things happen in Corporations, but a single volunteer attempting to take off with a escape pod will get you thrown in the brig, but disobeying a direct order from an Admiral that directly results in massive loss of life & equipment get's you a 'demotion'?....
And the Canto Bight diversion... in many respects it felt like cinematic 'busy work'. Give Characters Something To Do. (I wonder though if the 'Military Industrial Complex' angle will come back in 9, or will it end up just being more filler)...
As far as Leia's story - Leia Poppins looked bad, but having her last to the end of the film was the correct decision. Recasting for the future is wrong - you risk the new actress outacting 2014-2016 Carrie Fisher. For people who want to see the conclusion of Admiral Leia's story, they can always do a 'canon' novel to complete it....
bclane
Well-Known Member
No, that wasn’t me, but Star Wars does like to explore the underdog story that’s for sure. I love The Last Jedi for all of the reasons I’ve mentioned in here over the last week, but sure I’ll list some reasons for you again. Everything I am about to say is imo and I am going to list these things in no particular order… To start, I loved TLJ because when I watched it with my family, I felt very much like I did when I watched The Empire Strikes Back opening night as a kid (though ESB is still my favorite movie of all time). Everyone was clapping, laughing, and cheering and it was just a fantastic experience for us and I loved how much joy it brought to all of us. It was nothing but hugs and smiles and laughter and reliving the experience for days after. TLJ was fresh and new, completely unexpected and even shocking…but felt like Star Wars to me at the same time. I love all the misdirection between the last two movies and how it leaves you wondering where this is all headed. I love how it expands on the mythology and brings in so much of the EU stuff that just enriches the experience for anyone who has dabbled in it. TLJ was beautifully shot. I mean the visuals were off the charts amazing for me. The acting was incredibly well done and believable imo. I mean, Mark Hamill has never been better. I love that the heroes were flawed and made mistakes…huge mistakes even, but that doesn't change the fact that their motivation and effort was heroic. And the lightsaber dual in front of Snoke’s corpse was epic. Holy cow was that exciting. Were Snoke's guards Force sensitive? It sure looked that way to me and that makes sense. Why would Snoke not have Force sensitive guards? Kylo Ren makes a great villain btw imo. Like an onion, he’s got so many layers! I like him so much more in this movie than I did in TFA and I liked him enough in the first one. I can’t wait to see where they take his character in the next movie. And holy cow, we got to see Luke become more powerful than any Jedi before him and not only save his friends when they needed him most but also apparently inspire an entire Galaxy to rise up against evil through his death (if I am interpreting the last few moments of the movie correctly). And omg, Yoda, just being Yoda. I love him so much. And then, as a Force ghost, he literally brought down lightening upon the force tree! Are you kidding me? What!? What does that even mean for the future now that Yoda has learned to interact with the living world again? Can he teach that to the other Jedi that have passed? Will we see Luke fighting alongside Rey in IX as a force ghost? Will there be dark side force ghosts? The possibilities are shocking/mind blowing/awe inspiring to me. We finally got to see Leia use the Force. I’ve been waiting to see that since 1980! New ship designs, new worlds, expanded Force powers, childhood heroes on the screen again, E P I C score by John Williams that moved me to tears more than a few times during the movie. OMG!!! I freaking loved TLJ and honestly feel horrible for people who didn’t have the same experience as me with the movie. Look, I get that the movie wasn't perfect, I and know that I ALWAYS try to find the positives in everything and everyone and that allows me to gloss over the weaknesses and flaws of a lot of things…but this is not just me pretending to like the movie or convincing myself that it was awesome. I legit loved it. I’m sorry you didn’t have the same experience. Btw, I’m going to see it again tonight with my brother and one of my best friends, both of whom I used to spend countless hours playing with Star Wars toys and reenacting scenes from the OT when we were kids. I can’t wait!Exactly...
But I would probably agree with you more if you explained why you liked this movie in a little more detail?
You weren't the one that said the series "needed to feel like more of an underdog story"...were you?
It's all blurring into one
bclane
Well-Known Member
“Star Wars: The Last Jedi” took in $28.3 million domestically on Tuesday, its 12th day of release. Two years ago, “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” reeled in $29.5 million on its 12th day while “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” made $22.5 million on its 12th day.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office-844-million-1202649005/
That’s better than what I expected.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office-844-million-1202649005/
That’s better than what I expected.
Gomer
Well-Known Member
TLJ benefits from a slight boost in comparison as the 26th is a better day than the previous two had on their 12th day. More people are still off from work.
But its still a very good number in comparison to how it was faring last week. Will be interesting to see if it continues at that pace today with a 23-24m range? Or if it drops closer to 20.
Either way, it will easily cross 450 by this weekend. Which makes it pretty much a lock to be well into the 500's domestically by the end of New Year's day. If it continues to pace right between Rogue One and TFA from there it should likely finish in the mid 600's. For a 1.3-1.5b WW haul (depending on how well China plays)
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That is a pretty good number for yesterday...if it stays strong through this week then it will be in that $1.5 range i think. I do think the drop will be fast though so it will have to do well to January 2nd...I don't see legs being there this time.
On a side note: I heard from a large (30 ish) group of family and friends that saw it yesterday and today...
The adults hated it - particularly the bad jokes and del toro...the 8-teens group mostly loved it. So there's a big divide there. Almost all loved the abrams awakens...much more than me. I'm more complimentary about this movie than most...believe it or not.
To be clear: I only really care about the franchise, not really the individual movies...that's still where I'm looking. This truck has been driven off the road more times since 1995 than a yugo on an icy penndot maintained road.
On a side note: I heard from a large (30 ish) group of family and friends that saw it yesterday and today...
The adults hated it - particularly the bad jokes and del toro...the 8-teens group mostly loved it. So there's a big divide there. Almost all loved the abrams awakens...much more than me. I'm more complimentary about this movie than most...believe it or not.
To be clear: I only really care about the franchise, not really the individual movies...that's still where I'm looking. This truck has been driven off the road more times since 1995 than a yugo on an icy penndot maintained road.
9!
And, 8!
And, 8!
Hey, what happened to the daily reporting of how TLJ is doing compared to the day before and last week?
OK, I'll fill in the blanks...
Strange... It's almost like these numbers don't get reported unless they're negative. Huh.
OK, I'll fill in the blanks...
On Monday, TLJ was up 56% from the day before and 27% from the previous Monday.
On Tuesday, TLJ notched up another 1% from the day before and 37% from the previous Tuesday.
On Tuesday, TLJ notched up another 1% from the day before and 37% from the previous Tuesday.
Strange... It's almost like these numbers don't get reported unless they're negative. Huh.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I'm not sure what point you're making...Monday was the biggest holiday of the year so I'm
Not entirely sure what that means?
And this movie is still not tracking too well - by Star Wars standards...the reality is we'll have to see if it maintains the gross...it could go up or sharply down...it's hard to say. Summer releases are much more predictable.
And what exactly are those standards? 100% of TLJ? 75%? 60%?
And could you provide a link to back up that number?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No...there's no chart so there's gonna be a communication lag here...
I would say 80% of TAA is spectacular....I would say 60% is poor...I would say 70% is fairly close to a good result. Closer to rogue one would be a disaster in Disney's accountants minds...rest assured...but I don't have a chart or anything...