Star Wars: The Acolyte

Casper Gutman

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Story matters!
The “absurd hatred” directed at her wouldn’t exist if the stories were up to par. You’re ignoring the fact that Star Wars has lost its way because of poor storytelling and execution.

This supposed “huge movement” you’re talking about is a convenient excuse. If the quality was there, the backlash wouldn’t be there. Look at Stranger Things—it’s universally praised because it’s well-made.

Blaming a political agenda for poor reception is just deflecting from the real issue: the content hasn’t been good enough. If Kennedy had delivered the quality fans expect, she would be a hero, not a target. We’ve lost the ability to discuss media on its own terms because people like you refuse to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the product itself is flawed.
It's not deflection, it's acknowledging reality. You site something like Stranger Things - yes, the first and fourth seasons were very good, but the second season was critically derided (I think unfairly) and the third season was awful. Despite this uneven record, we don't get hundreds of youtube channels or major commentators attacking Stranger Things as a major assault on the American way of life, because there isn't a huge political movement targeting it for complex reasons we can't discuss here. Essentially, folks like me are pointing to huge amounts of evidence and you and Erasure just keep going, "nuh-uh."

The backlash against Star Wars is out of all proportion to the content it has produced. Andor was incredible, the first two seasons of Mando were spectacular. People liked Obi-Wan (I didn't). For a modern franchise, Star Wars has a pretty good batting average.

Look, like or dislike whatever you want. I thought Obi-Wan was awful and Mando Season 3 was weak. Fine. But don't deny the reality of what's happening around you.
 

Jedijax719

Well-Known Member
Story matters!
The “absurd hatred” directed at her wouldn’t exist if the stories were up to par. You’re ignoring the fact that Star Wars has lost its way because of poor storytelling and execution.

This supposed “huge movement” you’re talking about is a convenient excuse. If the quality was there, the backlash wouldn’t be there. Look at Stranger Things—it’s universally praised because it’s well-made.

Blaming a political agenda for poor reception is just deflecting from the real issue: the content hasn’t been good enough. If Kennedy had delivered the quality fans expect, she would be a hero, not a target. We’ve lost the ability to discuss media on its own terms because people like you refuse to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the product itself is flawed.
Maybe Acolyte delivers the goods, we will find out….
But yet nobody can define what is a good story and what it needs to contain.
 

CinematicFusion

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It's not deflection, it's acknowledging reality. You site something like Stranger Things - yes, the first and fourth seasons were very good, but the second season was critically derided (I think unfairly) and the third season was awful. Despite this uneven record, we don't get hundreds of youtube channels or major commentators attacking Stranger Things as a major assault on the American way of life, because there isn't a huge political movement targeting it for complex reasons we can't discuss here. Essentially, folks like me are pointing to huge amounts of evidence and you and Erasure just keep going, "nuh-uh."

The backlash against Star Wars is out of all proportion to the content it has produced. Andor was incredible, the first two seasons of Mando were spectacular. People liked Obi-Wan (I didn't). For a modern franchise, Star Wars has a pretty good batting average.

Look, like or dislike whatever you want. I thought Obi-Wan was awful and Mando Season 3 was weak. Fine. But don't deny the reality of what's happening around you.
Oh, it's definitely a deflection, no matter how you spin it. You're focusing on some supposed political movement instead of the actual content. Stranger Things faced criticism, sure, but when it delivered great seasons, people recognized it. The same would happen with Star Wars if the story was strong.

The backlash against Star Wars is because the content hasn't consistently delivered. Andor was great, and the first two seasons of Mando were good, but uneven quality across the franchise is the real issue. If Star Wars had a consistently strong story, it wouldn't matter what political noise exists; the quality would shine through.

People aren't attacking Stranger Things as an assault on American values because, at its core, it's still delivering engaging content.

Your political insights are valuable and important, but let’s not ignore that a great story is what ultimately matters. If Acolyte delivers a compelling narrative, it will receive praise and positive discussion, regardless of any political movements. Quality storytelling transcends these external factors.
 

CinematicFusion

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But yet nobody can define what is a good story and what it needs to contain.
That’s a cop-out answer and a dangerous one at that. If everyone thought like that, it would destroy studios. The idea that nobody can define what a good story is will only lead to mediocre content. A good story is universally understood to have compelling characters, a coherent plot, and emotional resonance. These elements have defined great storytelling for centuries.

Dismissing the importance of a clear definition is just an excuse for subpar content. Studios need to aim higher, not hide behind the notion that quality can’t be defined. If they don’t, they’ll lose their audiences and, ultimately, their viability.
 

sedati

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The benefit of streaming is the content creator will see the exact number of views along with the number and time of any who stop watching. Audience scores with no proof of viewership are just bad theatre. Also, there seems to be a significant group who make claims of being done with Disney and cancelling subscriptions (and vacations) and yet somehow keep offering reviews and opinions which means they're either lying or watching through illegal means (or do they all impose on their friends and then ruin their experiences with their vocal vitriol?)

This is a streaming show. So to have given it a genuine audience rating one should be assumed to have a Disney+ subscription which would mean they likely haven't bought into all the dark conspiracies rampantly hammered across all corners of the internet. Second, they watched this almost immediately which means they are more than likely Star Wars fans who knew exactly when it was coming out. One could also assume that with their Disney+ subscription they'd seen enough Disney produced Star Wars content to want to watch it and be somewhat inclined to enjoy it. That may be a lot to assume, but are we to believe that so many of these viewers not only hated this, but hated it enough to immediately go on to various review sites and voice their displeasure about it? I guess Disney's massive income is mostly coming in from the hate watch crowd.

Can't wait for all the "I'M DONE! THIS TIME FOR REALSIES!" as they post their rants about each new episode and no doubt will be there in the fall to trash "Skeleton Crew".
 
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erasure fan1

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Despite this uneven record, we don't get hundreds of youtube channels or major commentators attacking Stranger Things as a major assault on the American way of life, because there isn't a huge political movement targeting it for complex reasons we can't discuss here.
Stranger things is popular for sure. But star wars it isn't. Star wars is the grand daddy of pop culture franchises. So when people dislike the content you will hear about it more.
Essentially, folks like me are pointing to huge amounts of evidence and you and Erasure just keep going, "nuh-uh."
I haven't seen this huge amount of evidence. I've seen a group of blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube. What I haven't seen is them sway anyone when it comes to quality content. Have they tried? Absolutely. Did they succeed? Not really. The stuff that hasn't been well received deserves it. Ashoka wasn't good. Not because it's a conspiracy to to hate on woman. Because Ashoka is a fan favorite, even the YouTube haters like her. The show wasn't well done. I see why it didn't gain a big following. So why didn't the legions of fans support it? I'll tell you it wasn't because some dill hole on YouTube was making fun of it.
The backlash against Star Wars is out of all proportion to the content it has produced. Andor was incredible, the first two seasons of Mando were spectacular. People liked Obi-Wan (I didn't). For a modern franchise, Star Wars has a pretty good batting average.
You do realize this doesn't help your argument at all right? It's funny because these YouTubers who are destroying star wars didn't stop Mando. It was talked about by everyone after that first episode. Andor was mostly ignored by the hate club because they knew they couldn't bash it. Same goes for fallout and peacemaker as I mentioned earlier. It's all about the content. You don't hear this movement dumping all over rogue one and it's female protagonist and diverse cast. There's some really good in modern star wars. Like you said Andor, mando 1 & 2, rogue one, all top notch. But there is definitely more meh to below average than great.
I don't think she's executive of the century. I think she's a competent mediocrity like many executives. I object to the absurd hatred directed at her,
The funny thing is you came after my post, predictably so. And I don't hate Kennedy. I've said many times on this board she'll go down as one of the greatest producers in history. But I firmly believe she was the wrong person for star wars. Not because she's a woman like you seem to think. But because she fundamentally doesn't under stand the brand.
 

BrianLo

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What's up with this thread? I started to skim it and it's just pages of the usual whining about Star Wars in general?

Isn't it all a bit hilarious that no one can imagine random internet users would be motivated enough to post fake negative and positive reviews on social media channels... and yet argue voraciously on a forum about that every time one of these shows come out?

I don't even care anymore. I'm not seeking validation from people who I usually don't share the same opinion with. Like what you like or don't!

This show has been relatively positive for me so far. We'll see if it keeps up. I don't think it's hitting the highs of Andor, but maybe leaning in the Mando/Ahsoka camp. I do like that it's already an ensemble cast from the get go, which does feel Star Trek like. Which isn't a complaint!
 
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DKampy

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Of course the reviewer said that.

If it turns out that the general audience can give a better idea of the quality of show or movie than a critic, then we don’t need critics at all.

If I go to RT enough times and find the audience score aligns much closer to my view than the critic score, it won’t take me long to just ignore the critics altogether.
So did the 71% of the audience score of Morbius align with your taste
 

Casper Gutman

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Stranger things is popular for sure. But star wars it isn't. Star wars is the grand daddy of pop culture franchises. So when people dislike the content you will hear about it more.

I haven't seen this huge amount of evidence. I've seen a group of blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube. What I haven't seen is them sway anyone when it comes to quality content. Have they tried? Absolutely. Did they succeed? Not really. The stuff that hasn't been well received deserves it. Ashoka wasn't good. Not because it's a conspiracy to to hate on woman. Because Ashoka is a fan favorite, even the YouTube haters like her. The show wasn't well done. I see why it didn't gain a big following. So why didn't the legions of fans support it? I'll tell you it wasn't because some dill hole on YouTube was making fun of it.

You do realize this doesn't help your argument at all right? It's funny because these YouTubers who are destroying star wars didn't stop Mando. It was talked about by everyone after that first episode. Andor was mostly ignored by the hate club because they knew they couldn't bash it. Same goes for fallout and peacemaker as I mentioned earlier. It's all about the content. You don't hear this movement dumping all over rogue one and it's female protagonist and diverse cast. There's some really good in modern star wars. Like you said Andor, mando 1 & 2, rogue one, all top notch. But there is definitely more meh to below average than great.

The funny thing is you came after my post, predictably so. And I don't hate Kennedy. I've said many times on this board she'll go down as one of the greatest producers in history. But I firmly believe she was the wrong person for star wars. Not because she's a woman like you seem to think. But because she fundamentally doesn't under stand the brand.
I explain that the reception of a particular cultural product is tied to a specific set of cultural, social, and political forces. Your reply - "Oh yeah? What about all these different cultural products that aren't tied to those forces?"

It's incredibly funny that you brought up Gunn. The supposedly powerless "blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube" GOT GUNN FIRED FROM A BLOCKBUSTER FRANCHISE for explicitly political reasons. No, they didn't come after Peace Maker very hard - because Peace Maker (an excellent show) was an incredibly niche program with a white male protagonist aimed very firmly at adults. Depending on its content, they are very likely to come after his Superman.

But they won't come after it as hard as they come after Disney products like Star Wars. The current panic, which began to explode in the second half of 2020 for various reasons we can't discuss here, is focused on terror over an inability to reproduce a certain ideology in the young. That's why the target is teachers, libraries, colleges... and Disney. The quality of the content is largely immaterial - the attacks on Acolyte began long before the program debuted. Look at this thread.

Given the events of the last decade, the idea that "blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube" are a meaningless sideshow is shockingly naïve. Those "blow hards" played a major part in the most dramatic social realignment in well over half a century. I understand that acknowledging that opens up some very uncomfortable realizations, but... its time to get uncomfortable.
 

CinematicFusion

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I explain that the reception of a particular cultural product is tied to a specific set of cultural, social, and political forces. Your reply - "Oh yeah? What about all these different cultural products that aren't tied to those forces?"

It's incredibly funny that you brought up Gunn. The supposedly powerless "blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube" GOT GUNN FIRED FROM A BLOCKBUSTER FRANCHISE for explicitly political reasons. No, they didn't come after Peace Maker very hard - because Peace Maker (an excellent show) was an incredibly niche program with a white male protagonist aimed very firmly at adults. Depending on its content, they are very likely to come after his Superman.

But they won't come after it as hard as they come after Disney products like Star Wars. The current panic, which began to explode in the second half of 2020 for various reasons we can't discuss here, is focused on terror over an inability to reproduce a certain ideology in the young. That's why the target is teachers, libraries, colleges... and Disney. The quality of the content is largely immaterial - the attacks on Acolyte began long before the program debuted. Look at this thread.

Given the events of the last decade, the idea that "blow hards yapping on Twitter and YouTube" are a meaningless sideshow is shockingly naïve. Those "blow hards" played a major part in the most dramatic social realignment in well over half a century. I understand that acknowledging that opens up some very uncomfortable realizations, but... its time to get uncomfortable.
It's amusing how you frame the reception of cultural products solely through a political lens. Sure, external factors exist, but they don't absolve creators from delivering a compelling story. Your insistence that these "blow hards" on social media hold so much sway over a show's success is a convenient way to dodge the real issue: the content itself.

Look at James Gunn's situation. Yes, he faced backlash, but he came back strong with "Peacemaker," a show that resonated because of its quality, not its politics. The fear of political backlash didn't stop it from being well-received. The focus on cultural forces is an excuse to avoid the fear of not delivering a great story.

The panic you're talking about, this supposed war on Disney, is just noise. The attacks on "The Acolyte" started before it even debuted because people are skeptical about the story's potential. If the content is good, it will stand out, regardless of the political climate.

Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of Lucasfilm, and the responsibility for Star Wars' missteps falls on her shoulders. It's not about some grand political conspiracy; it's about failing to consistently deliver strong narratives. Blaming outside influences is just a distraction from the real debate about creative accountability.

The idea that social media "blow hards" control the fate of franchises is naive. Yes, they make noise, but in the end, it's the quality of the content that prevails. If studios focus on crafting compelling stories, they will rise above any political rhetoric. Let's not hide behind the algorithm's influence; instead, let's recognize that delivering great content is the true challenge.

When I mention the algorithm’s influence, I’m talking about how social media platforms use algorithms to shape what content we see and engage with. These algorithms track our interests and interactions, creating a feedback loop that reinforces our biases. As we consume certain types of content, the algorithm shows us more of the same, amplifying specific viewpoints and making it seem like certain criticisms or praises are more prevalent than they might be in reality.

This means that the backlash or support we see for shows like Star Wars can be exaggerated by the algorithm. The vocal critics or supporters online are part of a curated experience shaped by these algorithms, which can give the impression of a larger movement or backlash than actually exists.

In reality, it’s the quality of the content that cuts through this noise. A compelling story will always find its audience, regardless of the algorithm. So, instead of blaming external factors and political forces, the focus should be on delivering narratives that resonate with viewers. That’s what ultimately determines success.
 
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Casper Gutman

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It's amusing how you frame the reception of cultural products solely through a political lens. Sure, external factors exist, but they don't absolve creators from delivering a compelling story. Your insistence that these "blow hards" on social media hold so much sway over a show's success is a convenient way to dodge the real issue: the content itself.

Look at James Gunn's situation. Yes, he faced backlash, but he came back strong with "Peacemaker," a show that resonated because of its quality, not its politics. The fear of political backlash didn't stop it from being well-received. The focus on cultural forces is an excuse to avoid the fear of not delivering a great story.

The panic you're talking about, this supposed war on Disney, is just noise. The attacks on "The Acolyte" started before it even debuted because people are skeptical about the story's potential. If the content is good, it will stand out, regardless of the political climate.

Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of Lucasfilm, and the responsibility for Star Wars' missteps falls on her shoulders. It's not about some grand political conspiracy; it's about failing to consistently deliver strong narratives. Blaming outside influences is just a distraction from the real debate about creative accountability.

The idea that social media "blow hards" control the fate of franchises is naive. Yes, they make noise, but in the end, it's the quality of the content that prevails. If studios focus on crafting compelling stories, they will rise above any political rhetoric. Let's not hide behind the algorithm's influence; instead, let's recognize that delivering great content is the true challenge.

When I mention the algorithm’s influence, I’m talking about how social media platforms use algorithms to shape what content we see and engage with. These algorithms track our interests and interactions, creating a feedback loop that reinforces our biases. As we consume certain types of content, the algorithm shows us more of the same, amplifying specific viewpoints and making it seem like certain criticisms or praises are more prevalent than they might be in reality.

This means that the backlash or support we see for shows like Star Wars can be exaggerated by the algorithm. The vocal critics or supporters online are part of a curated experience shaped by these algorithms, which can give the impression of a larger movement or backlash than actually exists.

In reality, it’s the quality of the content that cuts through this noise. A compelling story will always find its audience, regardless of the algorithm. So, instead of blaming external factors and political forces, the focus should be on delivering narratives that resonate with viewers. That’s what ultimately determines success.
First, it needs to be stated that the entire point of this argument is that the reaction to recent Star Wars media often bares little to no relation to the media's content. Acolyte is, at the least, fine. It is being framed as a travesty and an attack on social decency. Andor was incredible and was immediately forgotten. You say fans were wary... of the franchise that produced Andor less then two years ago? At its worst, as with Obi-Wan, Disney+ Star Wars has been bland. But the reaction...

The idea that there is some Platonic ideal of "quality" is absurd. Quality is culturally determined - it's definition shifts wildly over time based on a complicated web of external forces. We can all list media from the past that was received as a masterpiece that is now derided or works that were dismissed that are now held in high esteem

All of this is somewhat besides the point. The core issue here is that people don't want to believe media "blow hards" can direct the course of history. Unfortunately, the last decade has amply demonstrated this not to be the case. Media "blow hards" have altered the course of society in profound ways, in many cases overwhelming more traditional power centers. For reasons I alluded to, Disney is a prime target of these "blow hards" - aided, of course, by major figures in those more traditional power centers. The "War on Disney" is not "supposed" in any way, shape, or form. It's a historical event with meaningful ramifications in a number of spheres, something that will be written about and discussed by historians.

Oh, and bringing up Peace Maker is really, really silly and reflects a deep lack of understanding of the nature and goals of the attacks on Disney. A streaming series with a tiny audience, "action hero" white male lead, and completely adult focus is in no way analogous to a Star Wars program.
 

Jedijax719

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That’s a cop-out answer and a dangerous one at that. If everyone thought like that, it would destroy studios. The idea that nobody can define what a good story is will only lead to mediocre content. A good story is universally understood to have compelling characters, a coherent plot, and emotional resonance. These elements have defined great storytelling for centuries.

Dismissing the importance of a clear definition is just an excuse for subpar content. Studios need to aim higher, not hide behind the notion that quality can’t be defined. If they don’t, they’ll lose their audiences and, ultimately, their viability.
Actually saying things like "the stories suck" is a cop out when those saying it cannot string together what a good story would be. Nobody sets out to make a bad story or one that is poorly received. NOBODY. Everyone thinks that their story is good. I never read anyone suggesting they should have done this or they should have done that. That's laziness. It's armchair quarterbacking in the Hollywood version. How many people (besides myself) have actually tried to write stories?
 

Jedijax719

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First, it needs to be stated that the entire point of this argument is that the reaction to recent Star Wars media often bares little to no relation to the media's content. Acolyte is, at the least, fine. It is being framed as a travesty and an attack on social decency. Andor was incredible and was immediately forgotten. You say fans were wary... of the franchise that produced Andor less then two years ago? At its worst, as with Obi-Wan, Disney+ Star Wars has been bland. But the reaction...

The idea that there is some Platonic ideal of "quality" is absurd. Quality is culturally determined - it's definition shifts wildly over time based on a complicated web of external forces. We can all list media from the past that was received as a masterpiece that is now derided or works that were dismissed that are now held in high esteem

All of this is somewhat besides the point. The core issue here is that people don't want to believe media "blow hards" can direct the course of history. Unfortunately, the last decade has amply demonstrated this not to be the case. Media "blow hards" have altered the course of society in profound ways, in many cases overwhelming more traditional power centers. For reasons I alluded to, Disney is a prime target of these "blow hards" - aided, of course, by major figures in those more traditional power centers. The "War on Disney" is not "supposed" in any way, shape, or form. It's a historical event with meaningful ramifications in a number of spheres, something that will be written about and discussed by historians.

Oh, and bringing up Peace Maker is really, really silly and reflects a deep lack of understanding of the nature and goals of the attacks on Disney. A streaming series with a tiny audience, "action hero" white male lead, and completely adult focus is in no way analogous to a Star Wars program.
This is an OUTSTANDING post!!! Sums up everything PERFECTLY!!!👏👏👏
 

CinematicFusion

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Actually saying things like "the stories suck" is a cop out when those saying it cannot string together what a good story would be. Nobody sets out to make a bad story or one that is poorly received. NOBODY. Everyone thinks that their story is good. I never read anyone suggesting they should have done this or they should have done that. That's laziness. It's armchair quarterbacking in the Hollywood version. How many people (besides myself) have actually tried to write stories?
I agree with you. Saying “the stories suck” without offering concrete suggestions for improvement is indeed a cop-out. It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines without understanding the complexities involved in storytelling. Nobody sets out to create a bad story; everyone believes in the quality of their work. Constructive criticism should involve specific suggestions, not just blanket statements.

Most people on this board are likely involved in film, television, media, or entertainment to some degree. We all understand how challenging it is to craft a compelling narrative. Unfortunately, no matter how much we love a project we work on, it sometimes just doesn’t work. But deep down, everyone knows when we’ve created something good. It’s important to move beyond armchair quarterbacking and offer meaningful feedback to help each other improve.
 

Jedijax719

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I agree with you. Saying “the stories suck” without offering concrete suggestions for improvement is indeed a cop-out. It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines without understanding the complexities involved in storytelling. Nobody sets out to create a bad story; everyone believes in the quality of their work. Constructive criticism should involve specific suggestions, not just blanket statements.

Most people on this board are likely involved in film, television, media, or entertainment to some degree. We all understand how challenging it is to craft a compelling narrative. Unfortunately, no matter how much we love a project we work on, it sometimes just doesn’t work. But deep down, everyone knows when we’ve created something good. It’s important to move beyond armchair quarterbacking and offer meaningful feedback to help each other improve.
Most people? Really? I thought most people were just fans. If what you say is true, I would hope that we'd get more story ideas than just complaining about what is out there.
 

CinematicFusion

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First, it needs to be stated that the entire point of this argument is that the reaction to recent Star Wars media often bares little to no relation to the media's content. Acolyte is, at the least, fine. It is being framed as a travesty and an attack on social decency. Andor was incredible and was immediately forgotten. You say fans were wary... of the franchise that produced Andor less then two years ago? At its worst, as with Obi-Wan, Disney+ Star Wars has been bland. But the reaction...

The idea that there is some Platonic ideal of "quality" is absurd. Quality is culturally determined - it's definition shifts wildly over time based on a complicated web of external forces. We can all list media from the past that was received as a masterpiece that is now derided or works that were dismissed that are now held in high esteem

All of this is somewhat besides the point. The core issue here is that people don't want to believe media "blow hards" can direct the course of history. Unfortunately, the last decade has amply demonstrated this not to be the case. Media "blow hards" have altered the course of society in profound ways, in many cases overwhelming more traditional power centers. For reasons I alluded to, Disney is a prime target of these "blow hards" - aided, of course, by major figures in those more traditional power centers. The "War on Disney" is not "supposed" in any way, shape, or form. It's a historical event with meaningful ramifications in a number of spheres, something that will be written about and discussed by historians.

Oh, and bringing up Peace Maker is really, really silly and reflects a deep lack of understanding of the nature and goals of the attacks on Disney. A streaming series with a tiny audience, "action hero" white male lead, and completely adult focus is in no way analogous to a Star Wars program.
It’s intriguing that you claim the reaction to recent Star Wars media has little to do with the content itself. Isn’t it obvious that if a story is compelling, it will resonate regardless of external noise? Star Wars began as a simple idea on a yellow notebook written by pencil, and it captivated millions because of its universal appeal and strong narrative. If the recent media is being framed as a travesty, perhaps there’s more to it than you’re acknowledging.

You say Andor was incredible but was immediately forgotten. Does that not indicate a problem with the story’s lasting impact? Fans’ wariness isn’t about some conspiracy; it’s about being let down by inconsistent storytelling. It’s convenient to blame external forces, but doesn’t that just distract from the real issue?

The idea that quality is entirely culturally determined and shifts wildly over time is an oversimplification. Great stories have timeless elements: compelling characters, coherent plots, and emotional engagement. These factors don’t change with the wind; they are the foundation of any successful narrative.

You’re suggesting that media “blow hards” have this overwhelming power to direct the course of history. But isn’t it more plausible that these voices are amplified by algorithms that cater to our biases? These algorithms create echo chambers, making certain criticisms seem more significant than they are. If the content were genuinely good, it would cut through this noise.

Dismissing Peacemaker as irrelevant because of its niche audience and different demographic shows a lack of understanding of what makes a story successful. Despite its specific target, Peacemaker succeeded because it delivered a compelling narrative. The size or demographic of its audience doesn’t negate its quality.

Blaming external forces for the reception of Star Wars media is a way to avoid acknowledging the need for better storytelling. If Acolyte or any other Star Wars project truly excels, it will be recognized and praised. Star Wars started with a simple, compelling story, and that’s what will continue to drive its success, not the whims of social media or political agendas. So, let’s focus on the content itself and recognize that great storytelling can rise above any external noise.
 

CinematicFusion

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Most people? Really? I thought most people were just fans. If what you say is true, I would hope that we'd get more story ideas than just complaining about what is out there.
Maybe it’s just a blend of passion and expertise that drives these conversations on a niche Acolyte board within a niche movie section of one of many Walt Disney forum websites
 

DKampy

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Those people complaining about the lack of white men in Star Wars…. I find that idea silly… if anything Star Wars could use more diversity not less… the characters do not just come from different parts of the globe, but completely different planets from around the galaxy
 

CinematicFusion

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Those people complaining about the lack of white men in Star Wars…. I find that idea silly… if anything Star Wars could use more diversity not less… the characters do not just come from different parts of the globe, but completely different planets from around the galaxy
No one complained about the diversity in Rogue One and its female lead; it was widely praised for its strong cast and compelling story. Yes, audiences do want the fantasy—gifted actors that women and men are attracted to, characters they can aspire to be like. Star Wars has always thrived on its diverse and intriguing characters from different planets across the galaxy.
 

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