Star Wars: The Acolyte

[Trauma]

Hmm, hasn't this been brought up before, even as recent as last year, and debunked time and again.

So Disney is running an influence campaign and a "payola" bride scam at the same time just to get higher RT scores? Have any actual proof of that?

Sounds like the stuff of conspiracy theorists that "just don't like that critics rate something higher than they feel it should be" rather than being true. And if true it would be the biggest scandal since the payola scandals of the 1960s. One wonders why if its true there is not a suit filed and investigation opened up by the DOJ right now against Disney (and any other studios involved or is it only Disney that does this "supposed" campaign) for this practice? Or could it be that critics really do just like rate things differently than the regular audience?

Look if you don’t want to look at the evidence then this conversation isn’t going to go anywhere.

Disney was caught posting fake reviews for Tiana’s Bungled Adventure.

If a company is willing to push boundaries in one area people are going to assume they are willing to do it in others.

I don’t know if they are trying too influence critic reviews or not.

I do one they actively pursued that strategy as recently as a few days ago in another arena.

 

[MisterPenguin]

As far as proof of fake reviews evidence was just posted the other day in the Tiana thread. We also have prominent influencers talking about how they
Receive special treatment from Disney.

And we just had an instance of someone who gives negative reviews still being on Disney's preview access list...

Proof that Disney is clueless, or that they actually see negativity as good promotion: this guy gripes endlessly about the company’s “woke” series/films re: SW, Marvel, animation, live action, and they still have him and his site credentialed for early reviews?

I thought Disney punishes bloggers critical of Disney and doesn't invite them to milk and crackers.

And if Disney is "buying" positive reviews, then how is it possible for some content to have a preponderance of bad reviews (check out the scores for Secret Invasion)?

Your premise has obvious evidence to the contrary and is even self-contradictory.

But, cool conspiracy theory, bro.

 

[Disney Irish]

Look if you don’t want to look at the evidence then this conversation isn’t going to go anywhere.

Disney was caught posting fake reviews for Tiana’s Bungled Adventure.

If a company is willing to push boundaries in one area people are going to assume they are willing to do it in others.

I don’t know if they are trying too influence critic reviews or not.

I do one they actively pursued that strategy as recently as a few days ago in another arena.

I'm sorry I'm not familiar with any "fake reviews" that Disney actually got caught posting for TBA. Can anyone prove that claim that it was Disney that did this if it really happened, or is this again supposition based on a personal belief that someone couldn't possibly like the attraction?

For example I can say I like what I see with TBA, and Disney isn't paying me a dime to say that.

Again sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

 

[Trauma]

I'm sorry I'm not familiar with any "fake reviews" that Disney actually got caught posting for TBA. Can anyone prove that claim that it was Disney that did this if it really happened, or is this again supposition based on a personal belief that someone couldn't possibly like the attraction?

For example I can say I like what I see with TBA, and Disney isn't paying me a dime to say that.

Again sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

So you’re saying it wasn’t Disney ?

It was just some random individual?

I guess that possible but would be really weird.

 

[Disney Irish]

So you’re saying it wasn’t Disney ?

It was just some random individual?

I guess that possible but would be really weird.

I'm not saying anything, you're the one making the claim Disney is posting "fake reviews" on not only their content but now attractions. So the burden of proof is on you since you're making the claim.

So you have no proof it was Disney, if it actually happened. Got it.

 

[Trauma]

I'm not saying anything, you're the one making the claim Disney is posting "fake reviews" on not only their content but now attractions. So the burden of proof is on you since you're making the claim.

So you have no proof it was Disney, if it actually happened. Got it.

Well it could have been you for all I know.

Point is these fake reviews appeared over multiple social media platforms following the same format.

So it was an organized campaign by someone.

Here is a sample:

 

[Disney Irish]

Well it could have been you for all I know.

Point is these fake reviews appeared over multiple social media platforms following the same format.

So it was an organized campaign by someone.

Here is a sample:

And even if there were some bots that posted some positive review tweets I'm still not sure how that is some smoking gun that it was Disney. Or that the RT score by critics was some how bought and "fake" for Disney content. Again where is the actual proof? If this was presented in court as evidence the trial would be dismissed in 30 seconds, it doesn't hold up.

You're trying to say there is a "there" there but its just supposition at this point. For all we know it could have been some rando Disney fan who likes Tiana and wants to combat all the backlash the project has faced for the last 4 years. Or for that matter someone who hates Tiana and trying to frame Disney for positive reviewing bombing. So many other possibilities besides it being Disney.

And no for the record it was not me, I'm not that invested in any project to put that much effort. Posting on this site is all the effort I have. Besides I'd cover my tracks better.

 

[Trauma]

And even if there were some bots that posted some positive review tweets I'm still not sure how that is some smoking gun that it was Disney. Or that the RT score by critics was some how bought and "fake" for Disney content. Again where is the actual proof? If this was presented in court as evidence the trial would be dismissed in 30 seconds, it doesn't hold up.

You're trying to say there is a "there" there but its just supposition at this point. For all we know it could have been some rando Disney fan who likes Tiana and wants to combat all the backlash the project has faced for the last 4 years. Or for that matter someone who hates Tiana and trying to frame Disney for positive reviewing bombing. So many other possibilities besides it being Disney.

And no for the record it was not me, I'm not that invested in any project to put that much effort. Posting on this site is all the effort I have. Besides I'd cover my tracks better.

Exactly. No rock solid evidence. Wouldn’t hold up in a court of law.

The idea that “trolls” are review bombing Star Wars projects is presented with the same type of shaky evidence .

As long as we can agree that in both cases we really have no concrete proof either way, then I’m fine with that.

I appreciate you having a conversation with me on this subject, instead of just dismissing me away as a troll.

Thanks

 

[Disney Irish]

Exactly. No rock solid evidence. Wouldn’t hold up in a court of law.

The idea that “trolls” are review bombing Star Wars projects is presented with the same type of shaky evidence .

As long as we can agree that in both cases we really have no concrete proof either way, then I’m fine with that.

I appreciate you having a conversation with me on this subject, instead of just dismissing me away as a troll.

Thanks

Well in the cases of negative review bombing of SW and other content on RT, in the past it was RT themselves that provided the proof it was bad actors who did it. So in that case it has more solid evidence. Which is why they started turning off the audience reviews in a lot on a lot of content.

But I agree, especially in this case, there is no concrete proof either way of the source of said "bot" review.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Hmm, hasn't this been brought up before, even as recent as last year, and debunked time and again.

So Disney is running an influence campaign and a "payola" bribe scam at the same time just to get higher RT scores? Have any actual proof of that?

Sounds like the stuff of conspiracy theorists that "just don't like that critics rate something higher than they feel it should be" rather than being true. And if true it would be the biggest scandal since the payola scandals of the 1960s. One wonders why if its true there is not a suit filed and investigation opened up by the DOJ right now against Disney (and any other studios involved or is it only Disney that does this "supposed" campaign) for this practice? Or could it be that critics really do just like/rate things differently than the regular audience?

Doesn’t matter what the credits say, end of the day the audience score is the best measure. It’s usually very accurate. Fallout, Three body problem, inside out, marvelous miss maisel, Force Awakens, Last Jedi all have very accurate audience scores, give or take +\- 5 points for personal opinion.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Exactly. No rock solid evidence. Wouldn’t hold up in a court of law.

The idea that “trolls” are review bombing Star Wars projects is presented with the same type of shaky evidence .

As long as we can agree that in both cases we really have no concrete proof either way, then I’m fine with that.

I appreciate you having a conversation with me on this subject, instead of just dismissing me away as a troll.

Thanks

No one is review bombing positive or negative reviews. Couldn’t have one without the other. So if it did happen, It would all balance out.

 

[Trauma]

Well in the cases of negative review bombing of SW and other content on RT, in the past it was RT themselves that provided the proof it was bad actors who did it. So in that case it has more solid evidence. Which is why they started turning off the audience reviews in a lot on a lot of content.

But I agree, especially in this case, there is no concrete proof either way of the source of said "bot" review.

Well that certainly hasn’t happened in the case of the Acolyte.

The fact that RT has allowed these reviews to stand would tell me they are legitimate.

 

[CinematicFusion]

And we just had an instance of someone who gives negative reviews still being on Disney's preview access list...






And if Disney is "buying" positive reviews, then how is it possible for some content to have a preponderance of bad reviews (check out the scores for Secret Invasion)?

Your premise has obvious evidence to the contrary and is even self-contradictory.

But, cool conspiracy theory, bro.

It balances each other out. Rotten tomato user reviews I’ve found to be very accurate.
Three body problem is at 79%. I liked it more but can agree with that score.
Fallout 89%, agree but again I liked it more than that.

Acolyte isn’t finished its run yet, we will see what the audience says after the show ends.

I think we can all agree, professional movie critics aren’t necessary anymore but word of mouth from fans most certainly is

 

[Disney Irish]

No one is review bombing positive or negative reviews. Couldn’t have one without the other. So if it did happen, It would all balance out.

If you don't think review bombing happens, especially negative reviews, then you haven't been paying attention the last 5-7 years.

Its been discussed many times over how the RT audience score is broken -

Rotten Tomatoes Audience Scores Are Only Getting Worse (& There's An Obvious Reason)

Audience review data is virtually unusable.

screenrant.com

RT has tried to make changes, but the review bombing still happens. Again its why RT turns off audience reviews on some content they deem to be getting review bombed.

As for whether it balances out, that remains to be seen. I have yet to see this occur in any meaningful way.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well that certainly hasn’t happened in the case of the Acolyte.

The fact that RT has allowed these reviews to stand would tell me they are legitimate.

Not so sure about that -

Star Wars: The Acolyte Review-Bombed on Metacritic & Rotten Tomatoes

Star Wars: The Acolyte has had a commendable critical reception, with Comingsoon’s review also calling it “a decent Star Wars start.” However, despite the positive critics’ reviews, viewers haven’t been kind to The Acolyte across Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. It continues to take a hit across...

www.yahoo.com

The Acolyte Review-Bombed On Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic

What's going on with The Acolyte?

screenrant.com

 

[Trauma]

Not so sure about that -

Star Wars: The Acolyte Review-Bombed on Metacritic & Rotten Tomatoes

Star Wars: The Acolyte has had a commendable critical reception, with Comingsoon’s review also calling it “a decent Star Wars start.” However, despite the positive critics’ reviews, viewers haven’t been kind to The Acolyte across Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. It continues to take a hit across...

www.yahoo.com

The Acolyte Review-Bombed On Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic

What's going on with The Acolyte?

screenrant.com

More conjecture.

Are they looking just as hard for positive reviews that seem fake ?

This is all nonsense.

If everyone still loves Disney Star Wars so much how come most of the fan base has moved on?

 

[Disney Irish]

More conjecture.

Are they looking just as hard for positive reviews that seem fake ?

This is all nonsense.

If everyone still loves Disney Star Wars so much how come most of the fan base has moved on?

Its only nonsense if you think there can't be any review bombing happening either way.

Also no one claimed that everyone loves Disney SW, as nobody loves just everything. Heck not everyone loved the OT either. So lets not go down that route.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Report: PR Firm Has Been Paying Rotten Tomatoes Critics For Positive Reviews

A new report says that a PR firm has been paying Rotten Tomatoes critics for positive reviews for over five years.

www.screengeek.net

Report: PR Firm Has Been Paying Rotten Tomatoes Critics For Positive Reviews​

By Jacob DresslerSeptember 6, 2023

Rotten Tomatoes Slammed For Allegedly Allowing PR Firm To Buy Positive Reviews

Rotten Tomatoes is being slammed with claims that PR company Bunker 15 bought positive reviews on the platform.

whatstrending.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Report: PR Firm Has Been Paying Rotten Tomatoes Critics For Positive Reviews

A new report says that a PR firm has been paying Rotten Tomatoes critics for positive reviews for over five years.

www.screengeek.net

Report: PR Firm Has Been Paying Rotten Tomatoes Critics For Positive Reviews​

By Jacob DresslerSeptember 6, 2023

Rotten Tomatoes Slammed For Allegedly Allowing PR Firm To Buy Positive Reviews

Rotten Tomatoes is being slammed with claims that PR company Bunker 15 bought positive reviews on the platform.

whatstrending.com

And? Were any of those a Disney film or shows? I'd really like to know. As I understand it that PR firm is used exclusively by Indie studios not the mainstream studios like Disney.

Also this is something that a bunch of us have been saying for YEARS now, don't trust the RT scores.

And I think this sums this up based on what one reviewer interviewed said in one of those articles.....

"Audiences are dumber."

 

[Trauma]

And? Were any of those a Disney film or shows? I'd really like to know. As I understand it that PR firm is used exclusively by Indie studios not the mainstream studios like Disney.

Also this is something that a bunch of us have been saying for YEARS now, don't trust the RT scores.

And I think this sums this up based on what one reviewer interviewed said in one of those articles.....

"Audiences are dumber."

Of course the reviewer said that.

If it turns out that the general audience can give a better idea of the quality of show or movie than a critic, then we don’t need critics at all.

If I go to RT enough times and find the audience score aligns much closer to my view than the critic score, it won’t take me long to just ignore the critics altogether.