News Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance to begin Standby September 23rd

[CaptainAmerica]

I’ll be curious to see the LL composition here. If they set aside 2/3 of capacity for that with hour-long windows, they risk very long LL queues, especially with breakdowns, which are frequent. We used to see this on Test Track with FP+. I guess that was fine when it was free. But, people will demand refunds now. So I am struggling to imagine them selling that many LL reservations, but we will see. It is far safer to set it at 25% or so, which generally ensures a short LL line and if there is a momentary glut, which will happen, they can quickly get those LL guests on the ride.

I really don't see LL demand being anywhere near that high outside of Christmas.

 

[MrPromey]

Why are you so confident that there's a price cap but not a volume cap?

I thought I explained that in my previous post but to clarify:

Because price is on the nose. Price will show up online all over the place. People will be posting screenshots on social media of the in-app listed price while in the park seeing it and complaining to high heavens about how much they paid to get in and how much Disney now wants for them to do the ride. Price will give people an easy way to go to guest services and complain.

If instead, they're able to and are willing to funnel the majority of capacity to those who have paid while keeping the price looking remotely sane, why wouldn't they?

Guests will never know the percentage. They'll just know there's a long wait and they won't be happy about that but Disney can just do like they've been doing for years and throw their hands up and say "what do you expect us to do? We already raised prices to get in on weekends and holidays and that didn't work at all like we thought it would (wink, wink)."

 

[rct247]

They have to practice merging two lines, the standby and the Lightning Lane. They really haven't had to do that since they opened. The Lightning Lane may not be fully operational yet, but they will have people with recovery from breakdowns and DAS holders to practice with.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I thought I explained that in my previous post but to clarify:

Because price is on the nose. Price will show up online all over the place. People will be posting screenshots of the in-app listed price and complaining to high heavens about how much they paid to get in and how much Disney now wants for them to do the ride. Price will give people an easy way to go to guest services and complain.

If they're able to and are willing to funnel the majority of capacity to those who have paid, why wouldn't they? Guests will never know the percentage. They'll just know there's a long wait and Disney can do like they've been doing for years and throw their hands up and say "what do you expect us to do? We already raised prices to get in on weekends and holidays holidays and that didn't work at all (wink, wink)."

I know it's a meme around here that "Disney only cares about quarterly earnings yada yada" and there's some truth to it. They care very much about quarterly earnings. But not exclusively. They also care about guest satisfaction, as measured by intent to return. Letting people rot for 6 hours in the Rise queue is not going to go over well.

 

[MrPromey]

I know it's a meme around here that "Disney only cares about quarterly earnings yada yada" and there's some truth to it. They care very much about quarterly earnings. But not exclusively. They also care about guest satisfaction, as measured by intent to return. Letting people rot for 6 hours in the Rise queue is not going to go over well.

Didn't seem to hurt them much with FOP, did it?

Seperately, I don't know how to look at their track record and have any optimism regarding this.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Didn't seem to hurt them much with FOP, did it?

Wait so which is it? Are lines long because tens of thousands of people want to ride new rides? Or because Disney is deliberately manipulating wait times to drive business to Lightning Lane? Because only one of those applied to FOP when it opened.

Also, remember when Pandora was running Extra Magic Hours from 11pm to 1am *every single night* for an entire summer? Or when Hollywood Studios was opening at 7am every day for *years* going back to Toy Story Land opening?

 

[Muffinpants]

New plan.. buy IA$ for rotr. Rope drop slinky/railway/tot than hit the smaller rides the rest of the day and be done besides rotr till later. While everyone else waits for rotr. Time is money friend.

 

[lewisc]

They have to practice merging two lines, the standby and the Lightning Lane. They really haven't had to do that since they opened. The Lightning Lane may not be fully operational yet, but they will have people with recovery from breakdowns and DAS holders to practice with.

I used the recovery line. It runs outside to the left. You enter through a door and wind up right before you enter the holigraph briefing room
They will probably hold the standby "peon" line and escort elite recruits directly in briefing room

 

[disneygeek90]

What is that, Christmas morning when they were doing "must click in to DHS to book your virtual queue"?

January 5. Sure that’s probably an extreme but FoP rope drop is chaos even still.

 

[MrPromey]

Wait so which is it? Are lines long because tens of thousands of people want to ride new rides? Or because Disney is deliberately manipulating wait times to drive business to Lightning Lane? Because only one of those applied to FOP when it opened

To be clear, my comment about FOP and the next sentence seperated into another paragraph were two unique statements not meant to be read as a single thought. I'm not saying they deliberately intended to mess with guests for profit directly with what has happened there but if you want to talk about that:

You're right, only one of those was true with FOP because paid LL didn't exist when that came out but what did exist was 60+ day FP booking which is where the majority of that attraction's capacity went prior to the park shutdown last year.

Tens of thousands of people did want to ride it but for those who were unable to secure the 60+ day fastpass, there were undoubtedly many days they waited 4+ hours to ride because many others who, all-things-being-equal, would not have been willing to wait even an hour to ride it, were able to get their entire group in front.

The pay-to-play factor was a little more buried but it was still there. Why else would so many people who stay on site be so upset about losing their early access to FP+?

This to me, is just cutting more to the chase.

To be crude, now you don't have to take Disney out for a nice dinner and buy them flowes and act interested in their hobbies and tell them you want kids some day. They don't care about the pretenses, anymore. You just have to pay them to get what you want and they're open with no waiting... er... for... business.

This ride will have long waits because it is popular. That's a given.

People who want to ride it won't be able to because it's popular and there is limited capacity.

Them clawing back even more of that capacity to provide to people paying the up-charge (and eventually for people staying on the Starcruiser) simply means that average* guests will have even less of a chance to ride it than before, regardless of how long they're willing to wait.

If you think differently, I'm open to having my mind changed and I really would like to be wrong but if you're going to convince me, it'll take more than optimism or ignoring aspects of the reality in an effort to just win a debate.

I'd honestly rather you be right (that's better for all of us, no?) but being right isn't the same thing as winning an argument - please show me how I've got this wrong.

*and when I say "average", I'm not trying to make this a moral argument. Morals are subjective anyway but it does speak to debate about the value being offered to guests who plan trips and decided how to spend their money. I don't think Disney is going to run out of guests due to these kinds of moves but I also don't have to be happy about them doing these sorts of things, do I?

 

[disneygeek90]

They have to practice merging two lines, the standby and the Lightning Lane. They really haven't had to do that since they opened. The Lightning Lane may not be fully operational yet, but they will have people with recovery from breakdowns and DAS holders to practice with.

They’ve already had breakdown recovery and DAS merges.

 

[Jeff4272]

On site guests can purchase LL starting at 7 am! That's the perk...oof, this is brutal.

100%. It’s the money and no on site advantage and they create both by doing this

 

[MrPromey]

Except that's not how Lightning Lane is designed. The whole point is that they can raise the price to maintain equilibrium. If loads of people are buying IAS, it's going to tell Disney that IAS is too cheap and they'll make it more expensive. They'd rather have 5,000 people paying $10 each than 10,000 people paying $5 each because it maintains guest satisfaction for the standby people.

Also, I would be shocked, SHOCKED if we were talking about $5 and $10 for LL for this attraction the majority of the time.

Can you, with a straight face, say that's the range you actually expect to see this one in or are you disingenuously going that low as a tactic to try winning a debate?


For $10, someone like me might be motivated to do it if it meant not waiting 4 hours and I'm kind of a cheapskate (well, relative to Disney fans and Disney's pricing, anyway - a lot of folks thing I'm crazy for spending what I have there in the past, already). If I'm not willing to hold the line (pun intended) at that price point, I'm certain it isn't anywhere near an effective price point because I dipped out of desert parties well before they got to be over $50 a head.

 

[Magic Kingdom Park]

Virtual queues are useful for new attractions, to avoid the old 8+ hour lines we have seen over the years, but at some point they exceed their usefulness or under the new Disney philosophy get converted to a "virtual paid queue"(i.e., Lightning Lane). At least now you will not be scrambling to secure a boarding group at 7AM/1PM only to receive the dreaded message that all groups are gone for the day. You can chose to wait in the stand-by line or move along, just like all the other attractions in the park.

What will be interesting to watch is all the technical problems this ride has encountered so far and its effects on ride capacity, stand-by wait times and LL pricing.

 

[doctornick]

They have to practice merging two lines, the standby and the Lightning Lane. They really haven't had to do that since they opened. The Lightning Lane may not be fully operational yet, but they will have people with recovery from breakdowns and DAS holders to practice with.

Oh yeah that's right. I wonder how prepared Guest Services will be for the upcoming spike in DAS passes.

 

[doctornick]

Wait so which is it? Are lines long because tens of thousands of people want to ride new rides? Or because Disney is deliberately manipulating wait times to drive business to Lightning Lane? Because only one of those applied to FOP when it opened.

Also, remember when Pandora was running Extra Magic Hours from 11pm to 1am *every single night* for an entire summer? Or when Hollywood Studios was opening at 7am every day for *years* going back to Toy Story Land opening?

Well... it would be nice if they started doing stuff like that for DHS now. I still can't believe DHS isn't one of the evening Extra Hours options.

 

[Jeff4272]

Also, I would be shocked, SHOCKED if we were talking about $5 and $10 for LL for this attraction the majority of the time.

Can you, with a straight face, say that's the range you actually expect to see this one in or are you disingenuously going that low as a tactic to try debating this?


For $10, someone like me might be motivated to do it if it meant not waiting 4 hours and I'm kind of a cheapskate (well, relative to Disney fans and Disney's pricing, anyway - a lot of folks thing I'm crazy for spending what I have there in the past, already). If I'm not willing to hold the line (pun intended) at that price point, I'm certain it isn't anywhere near an effective price point because I dipped out of desert parties well before they got to be over $50 a head.

ROTR paid LL or IAS or paid FP or whatever confusing thing they are calling it will be $25 pp per ride. And that will be the low end. So my family of 5 will have to pay an additional $125 to ride this ride when we go. Ha. What a joke. No ride is worth that.

 

[MrPromey]

I’ll be curious to see the LL composition here. If they set aside 2/3 of capacity for that with hour-long windows, they risk very long LL queues, especially with breakdowns, which are frequent. We used to see this on Test Track with FP+. I guess that was fine when it was free. But, people will demand refunds now. So I am struggling to imagine them selling that many LL reservations, but we will see. It is far safer to set it at 25% or so, which generally ensures a short LL line and if there is a momentary glut, which will happen, they can quickly get those LL guests on the ride.

hope so.

 

[doctornick]

I can’t recall any attraction ever cutting a line before park close. I think VQ did this in a non obvious way, but I can’t imagine they would cut a line hours before park close in a blatant way.

I could be wrong, but I thought they did indeed cut FoP's line prior to park closing (like 30-60 minutes before closing) when it was getting massive lines even into the evening. I didn't experience it or anything, but I thought I read that on here.

 

[castlecake2.0]

I could be wrong, but I thought they did indeed cut FoP's line prior to park closing (like 30-60 minutes before closing) when it was getting massive lines even into the evening. I didn't experience it or anything, but I thought I read that on here.

I don’t recall but certainly possible