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doctornick

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MarkTwain said:
Why couldn't you? :) Places like Adventureland and Fantasyland combine many places that are geographically disparate – Asian jungles with Caribbean buildings and African treehouses, or French chateaus next to Bavarian villages. Even the "Asia" part of Animal Kingdom mixes Indian tropical rainforests with alpine Nepal.
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Yeah. I agree that they do that. And I would argue that they shouldn't. It's better to create a cohesive thematic area than combine different elements/places into a medley.

Also, I think that the Potter areas plus Cars Land changed the game in terms of theme park lands by creating an environment to visit a specific place "right out of a movie" in real life. I would think that is the kind of effect that Disney would want to develop for Star Wars.

As a SW fan and a theme park enthusiast, I'd like to see Disney develop a land where you visit Tatooine (or Jakku or Hoth or whatever) specifically with the environment, architecture, attractions, etc. all fitting into the specific place. That's not quite as possible with saying "this is general desert work in Star Wars where you have Mos Eisley cantina and a starship graveyard".
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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A dedicated Star Wars park is just a bad idea...It would end up being another half-realized park much like DHS...
and another half day park... Better to add to the incredibly light attraction roster of DHS and make it a real draw.
If they do add a fully realized Pixar Place it might be nice to relocate Laff Floor there as well.. Keep most of the Pixar IPs together to have a substantial roster of attractions for the land rather than just one ride and a gift shop.
 
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doctornick

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andysol said:
While I agree that building a large Pixar Place is worth a day on a person's itinerary- it doesn't make it a spectacular- must visit destination- on a scale close to MK. While Cars Land did wonders for DCA- DCA still has a plethora of other rides and attractions- DHS simply doesn't. You know what studios has a pretty large Pixar area w/ one of the best Disney coasters out there? Disney Studios in Paris. Which is lauded as one of- if not the worst park Disney owns.
Star Wars would stand on it's own. DHS needs Star Wars to be relevant. Pixar Place is an added benefit- but not a necessity.
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Well, to play the middle ground, I don't think DHS "needs" Star Wars specifically. There's plenty of other options that could be used to fill the park and get the desired effect. So, in some theoretically world, I could see adding in a ton of stuff to DHS while also building a boutique 5th park developed to Star Wars. I think that is unlikely and impractical, but possible. And could work. For example, in addition to a lot of Pixar (and Disney would really have to add something like 8-10 attractions from Pixar across a variety of the movies) you could have some stuff like an Indiana Jones ride, a GotG and/or Big Hero 6 ride, and even adding in some WDFA stuff (I think that an expanded animation courtyard would be a good location for an LPS Mr. Toad's for example). Plus, there's the long talked about idea of a "Villains" area that would be quite popular.

The reality is, though, that Disney isn't going to pump in the kind of money to build DHS to what it should be at the same time as building a SW park. It's just not going to happen. And an easier/quicker ROI is to simply build up a Star Wars area in DHS, along with some Pixar stuff, and call it a day.
 
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danlb_2000

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jt04 said:
I remember when some said his worst decision was overpaying for Pixar. Then they said animation could not be rescued. Then they said Shanghai would never happen. Then they said DCA 2.0 was not going to work. And then that the mouse overpayed for Marvel. Some even said that about Lucasfilm believe it or not.

And so it continues.
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You can find and example of anyone saying something about anything if you look hard enough.
 
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Ignohippo

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andysol said:
I'm confused :confused: you said this in your last post:

And I commented:


But now you are saying Universal HAS to have Potter to bring it to it's parks- so are you agreeing with me?





While I agree that building a large Pixar Place is worth a day on a person's itinerary- it doesn't make it a spectacular- must visit destination- on a scale close to MK. While Cars Land did wonders for DCA- DCA still has a plethora of other rides and attractions- DHS simply doesn't. You know what studios has a pretty large Pixar area w/ one of the best Disney coasters out there? Disney Studios in Paris. Which is lauded as one of- if not the worst park Disney owns.
Star Wars would stand on it's own. DHS needs Star Wars to be relevant. Pixar Place is an added benefit- but not a necessity.
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No, I don't agree with you at all. Uni, had it known Potter would be such a phenomenal success, should have made it its own gate. Yes, they would have had to add some more to the other parks to make them more attractive (which they've been doing anyway), but they would have made it up by the gate receipts of the Potter park and the added hotel occupancy they would have gotten by now having a full resort of 3 parks. You could guarantee a Hogwarts-style hotel would have had a 100% occupancy for years.

They were brilliant in spreading Potter between the two gates. But they would have made even more money by giving it its own park. Hindsight's 20/20.

As for DHS, it's pulling its weight with the minimal attractions it has even without a full Pixar Place. A fully realized Pixar Place would most likely make it WDW's second gate. Families are crazy for Pixar. Add CarsLand, a MI coaster, the TS area, a Bug' Life themed playland and an Incredibles ride and families would flock to it in droves.
 
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Ignohippo

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doctornick said:
Well, to play the middle ground, I don't think DHS "needs" Star Wars specifically. There's plenty of other options that could be used to fill the park and get the desired effect. So, in some theoretically world, I could see adding in a ton of stuff to DHS while also building a boutique 5th park developed to Star Wars. I think that is unlikely and impractical, but possible. And could work. For example, in addition to a lot of Pixar (and Disney would really have to add something like 8-10 attractions from Pixar across a variety of the movies) you could have some stuff like an Indiana Jones ride, a GotG and/or Big Hero 6 ride, and even adding in some WDFA stuff (I think that an expanded animation courtyard would be a good location for an LPS Mr. Toad's for example). Plus, there's the long talked about idea of a "Villains" area that would be quite popular.

The reality is, though, that Disney isn't going to pump in the kind of money to build DHS to what it should be at the same time as building a SW park. It's just not going to happen. And an easier/quicker ROI is to simply build up a Star Wars area in DHS, along with some Pixar stuff, and call it a day.
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Agreed on all points.
 
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twebber55

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Ignohippo said:
No, I don't agree with you at all. Uni, had it known Potter would be such a phenomenal success, should have made it its own gate. Yes, they would have had to add some more to the other parks to make them more attractive (which they've been doing anyway), but they would have made it up by the gate receipts of the Potter park and the added hotel occupancy they would have gotten by now having a full resort of 3 parks. You could guarantee a Hogwarts-style hotel would have had a 100% occupancy for years.

They were brilliant in spreading Potter between the two gates. But they would have made even more money by giving it its own park. Hindsight's 20/20.

As for DHS, it's pulling its weight with the minimal attractions it has even without a full Pixar Place. A fully realized Pixar Place would most likely make it WDW's second gate. Families are crazy for Pixar. Add CarsLand, a MI coaster, the TS area, a Bug' Life themed playland and an Incredibles ride and families would flock to it in droves.
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I ve asked this question before but ill ask it again....
agree or disagree
you open a star wars theme park and I open a theme park with star wars, marvel, Pixar, avatar
I out draw you by a lot...diversity is key to all demographics
 
EOD K9

EOD K9

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I like the idea of a themed SW land in DHS. Most people talk of the Mos Eisley Cantina as a restaurant. But my question to you all is this, what types of mini lands (hoth, jakuu, etc) or rides to you see coming in. Since Star Tours puts you in the speeder with different scenarios, what do you see coming?
 
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Ignohippo

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twebber55 said:
I ve asked this question before but ill ask it again....
agree or disagree
you open a star wars theme park and I open a theme park with star wars, marvel, Pixar, avatar
I out draw you by a lot...diversity is key to all demographics
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Somewhat true. I would agree in combining things like Pixar and Avatar, but at this point I don't think you can do justice to Star Wars or Marvel by just making it a "land" in a park.

If you had a Star Wars park and a Marvel park, do you really think people wouldn't pay to visit both?

So, you'd lose 50% of your gate receipts by combining them AND you've turned a possible multi-day stay into a 1-day (so now no hotel stay, or 1 less day on your existing trip).
 
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Ignohippo

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Of course none of the debate matters. In the end, TWDCo will most likely just make it a land at DHS because that's the easiest and cheapest option.

I just wouldn't say it's as cut and dry as many believe.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Ignohippo said:
Somewhat true. I would agree in combining things like Pixar and Avatar, but at this point I don't think you can do justice to Star Wars or Marvel by just making it a "land" in a park.

If you had a Star Wars park and a Marvel park, do you really think people wouldn't pay to visit both?

So, you'd lose 50% of your gate receipts by combining them AND you've turned a possible multi-day stay into a 1-day (so now no hotel stay, or 1 less day on your existing trip).
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There already is a Marvel land in an Orlando-area theme park that is generating revenue for TWDC.
 
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Ignohippo

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EOD K9 said:
I like the idea of a themed SW land in DHS. Most people talk of the Mos Eisley Cantina as a restaurant. But my question to you all is this, what types of mini lands (hoth, jakuu, etc) or rides to you see coming in. Since Star Tours puts you in the speeder with different scenarios, what do you see coming?
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Unfortunately, I think you'll have generically themed SW areas with 2 or 3 major rides, a new stage, and maybe a couple of spinner-types.

If it were up to me though, the current Star Tours, Backlot Catering area would all become Tatooine and would open up to areas for Hoth (a Snow Speeder coaster in and out of AT-ATs), Endor (a speeder bike coaster and Ewok Village play area) and the Death Star (X-wing coaster) with possibilities for Coruscant (Jedi Stage) and the Sith Temple from Ep VII.

Seems to me Jakuu would be somewhat redundant (although very cool) and I think most people would prefer Tatooine no matter how much Jakuu there is in the new film.
 
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doctornick

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marni1971 said:
It isn't.
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Are there still plans for Marvel stuff in the Hollywoodland area of DCA? Seems to me that the best option would be to make that into a full blown Monstropolis, as previous planned, and save the Marvel stuff for a third gate. Why put Marvel in DCA if you are likely to put it into a third gate there?
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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doctornick said:
Are there still plans for Marvel stuff in the Hollywoodland area of DCA? Seems to me that the best option would be to make that into a full blown Monstropolis, as previous planned, and save the Marvel stuff for a third gate. Why put Marvel in DCA if you are likely to put it into a third gate there?
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Well there are plans for everything and anything. Whether they take a long look at those plans.....? Who knows.
 

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