Mike S
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WDW1974 already said Ratatouille is not coming to Epcot since TDO wouldn't put up the money to build it ($200 million). And I hope the same happens with Frozen. Epcot is NOT the place to build that ride.
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Star Wars Land Announcement This Month?
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DinoInstitute
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Well, I agree on the location, but honestly I'm just glad the park was going to get something
Disneyfamily4
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All the value in SWW, such as Hyperspace Hoopla..
I do not see SW added to multiple parks instead of one land. It just doesn't make sense for me, and would take in a lot less revenue IMO. How would it fit in Epcot? DAK?
@Disneyfamily4, I do not agree with you, it would not be just a m&g land, but you can't deny that a m&g or two would be vital to any SWL. But to your other point, they still could have A week or so in June where they have extended SW festivities.
The only problem is that there is either too much work to be done, or it won't make sense. My reasoning is, if they want a fully fleshed out SWL, they will need to extend into a new area not already occupied by the park, which would be an insane amount of just pre-construction, with re-routing the roads. If they didn't, then it wont make sense because it will have to replace too much and it will be a very choppy transition, and then there is the problem what to and what not to keep.
But why not just make 2017 the year of Disney?! That year Avatar will open; possibly the Ratatouille rumored ride in Epcot will be open, along with Frozen; and DHS could have at least a SW phase one complete, and if they really want they could even add a little something in Pixar, even if just a spinner.
If that happened, there is no doubt that people will regain their Disney trust and Uni will be caught by surprise and lose all of this momentum its been gathering lately, and not have a powerful enough comeback--making Uni the one with a Star Wars...swatter.
Assuming of course if Disney does it all right.
Like I said, I would love to see a land, but I just cant see myself being lucky enough for it to happen.
We have to remember the timing here. Starting next year, Disney will put out a new Star Wars movie every single year. They will not start a star wars project with Avatar in the process. That means after Avatar is finished, they would then start Star Wars Land. Based on how long their other weaker projects took, Star Wars land would not be completed until 2023 or so.
I cant see Disney waiting for that. I think we will see Star Wars weekend expand for a couple more weekends throughout the year and then a few attractions at each park in the meantime. My 11-year old is convinced that we will see an Ewok exhibit in Animal Kingdom pretty soon. As I said, I can see Stitch being replaced easily in MK. As for Epcot, there is plenty of space to add something there.
DinoInstitute
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Just imagine all the people that flipped over Avatar in DAK reacting to SW in DAK.
I just don't see multiple parks instead of one land happening...or maybe its just that I convinced myself because I'm not a fan of the idea. Sure, there are some other IPs that do it, but not at EVERY park...and SW is just too...if anyone knows what I mean and has the right adjective please respond.
Actually as I'm typing this I'm lightening up to the idea
Oh, at this point, I myself really just don't care as much.
JUST as long as DHS gets SOMETHING!!!
DinoInstitute
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As for SW in Epcot...
cw1982
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A horrible comparison? When I've already gotten likes for it, and someone else posted the same thing I did at the same time? Hmm...
And I disagree that people would not spend 100 per ticket just for SWW if there was a SWL. Many are going to the parks that week anyway, so they decide to plan their HS day around SWW. In fact, I question the idea that many going to SWW pay $100 per ticket as it is, since they very well could be going to other parks during their stay as well.
As others have pointed out, there would be meet and greets in SWL, but nothing like what they have at SWW where you can meet the actual actors from the films.
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draybook
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USO had a 14% increase in attendance while the MK had only 6%. You were saying something about them sucking??.....
Chef Mickey
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Those attendance numbers are pretty meaningless for comparison because the attendance numbers overall for Universal are much lower. It's easy to grow faster when you're smaller.
If I start a theme park and have 5 guests come and next year it's 10, that's 100% increase.
Point is, I know Universal is big, but Disney is bigger and attendance grows for them each year. Not as much as of % Y/Y, but again, larger footprint.
And your points are all true. Disney is getting better with the superhero draw with the Marvel acquisition. They recongnize their need to capture that piece and will do so, perhaps not fast enough for some.
Wikipedia: I get there are flaws in just looking at this, but high level, Disney is gigantic. Same reason Microsoft, Apple, and McDonalds can't grow anymore. Too big.
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Chef Mickey
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Law of large numbers. I covered that in my next post. Also, I don't care if they had a 100% increase in attendance.
I think they suck and won't visit because of the content.
Yes. I, too, hate innovative rides that are well-maintained and the best themed food and beverage options.
Chef Mickey
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Let me say it another way. I understand the growth % is better at Universal. However, Disney increased guests at magic Kingdom by 1,000,000+ guests. Universal did about 800,000. The % is great, but it's just like the fund managers that talk percentage. If my portfolio has $1000 value and doubles to $2,000 in 2013, I increased 100%. Sounds good, right? However, if your poftfolio's value is $1M and you increase it to $1.1M, that's only 10%. However, you made $100,000 and I only made $1,000. Really, it's obvious which position you'd want to be in, isn't it?
Larger numbers are harder to move. I find it amazing Disney had that much growth in MK, honestly. Growth rates tend to slow as numbers get larger.
Chef Mickey
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Dude, I get it...they are doing great things with the content they have to work with. More power to those folks. I just can't get excited about their content and theme park food is never going to be that high end.Yes. I, too, hate innovative rides that are well-maintained and the best themed food and beverage options.
DinoInstitute
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How about Lotte World?!
michael.fumc
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It all depends on the new content that the new movies bring. Now that Disney owns it SWW might have even more stars, directors, writers, comic book authors, ect. It could be more like a trek convention. That special event would draw people back no matter how much Star Wars attractions, dinning , shows, and meet and greets are in the parks year round. But that is just my opinion
216bruce
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I've been reading over the discussion you've been having with a few other posters here. Hey, keep the passion. I know it's not seen as cool to do so and it certainly isn't unbiased. But, ultimately, it's opinion and I admire the strength of feeling you show for Disney. Uni has Potter and it is pretty damn cool, but I really think once Disney does a full blown Star Wars Land and after the Avatar sequels and the subsequent land at AK is completed, some folks will be eating their words. Keep the faith man.
Chef Mickey
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Appreciate you! I know I'm biased and unreasonable on this subject, but it's truly in my blood. First visit was 6 months old and I've gone back once or more times every year since. My view is slanted and it's because I have some of the fondest memories of my life there. It's like a parent/child relationship. You love them no matter what, but you are not blind to their faults.
PrincessNelly_NJ
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So because Disney is bigger? It is better?Those attendance numbers are pretty meaningless for comparison because the attendance numbers overall for Universal are much lower. It's easy to grow faster when you're smaller.
If I start a theme park and have 5 guests come and next year it's 10, that's 100% increase.
Point is, I know Universal is big, but Disney is bigger and attendance grows for them each year. Not as much as of % Y/Y, but again, larger footprint.
And your points are all true. Disney is getting better with the superhero draw with the Marvel acquisition. They recongnize their need to capture that piece and will do so, perhaps not fast enough for some.
Wikipedia: I get there are flaws in just looking at this, but high level, Disney is gigantic. Same reason Microsoft, Apple, and McDonalds can't grow anymore. Too big.
My point was simple. You basically said Harry Potter sucks and you weren't the only one uninterested in going to Universal... and that is your opinion, fine.
But Universal is doing so much right... they added Despicable Me, expanded the Simpsons, and added Transformers and got a 14% attendance increase.. So obviously plenty of people are interested in what they do. Whether you like it or not, you are in the minority.
Most people that travel to Disney, do so with children to young to attend Universal, so Disney may always end up with bigger crowds.
Disney won't do anything with Marvel in WDW... it isn't worth the cost to them.
I have no issue with your love of Disney. If I didn't love it, I wouldn't go every year! But you have blinders on if you think that Disney shouldn't worry about what Universal is doing.
Universal is growing. They have put work into USF all through 2013 til now and have already started on clearing grounds for new rides & lands at IOA. I think the only limit to a third gate at Universal is lack of space.
Chef Mickey
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I'm on record saying Disney needs to step up their game, but just had issue with people throwing out attendance % increases like that's proof positive Universal is destroying Disney. Disney is growing too. They grew more on absolute number of guests Y/Y than Universal.So because Disney is bigger? It is better?
My point was simple. You basically said Harry Potter sucks and you weren't the only one uninterested in going to Universal... and that is your opinion, fine.
But Universal is doing so much right... they added Despicable Me, expanded the Simpsons, and added Transformers and got a 14% attendance increase.. So obviously plenty of people are interested in what they do. Whether you like it or not, you are in the minority.
Most people that travel to Disney, do so with children to young to attend Universal, so Disney may always end up with bigger crowds.
Disney won't do anything with Marvel in WDW... it isn't worth the cost to them.
I have no issue with your love of Disney. If I didn't love it, I wouldn't go every year! But you have blinders on if you think that Disney shouldn't worry about what Universal is doing.
Universal is growing. They have put work into USF all through 2013 til now and have already started on clearing grounds for new rides & lands at IOA. I think the only limit to a third gate at Universal is lack of space.
Disney has almost unlimited room to grow and will do so, but it will take time. They are just stuck in neutral right now because they have the wrong CEO for parks.
I didn't say it's better because it's bigger. Being bigger makes it harder to post double digit attendance gains year after year and harder to move the ship.