Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

[brb1006]

Why Disney replace TSL in a few years??? It's the kids area for the park. Disney is about kids after all. Yea, don't see this one happening.

Disney is for everyone and not just for kids.

 

[uncle jimmy]

If they really want to make sure they have expansion room... then designate TGMR for that. You'll get a giant soundstage for the next great indoor SW ride. The back corner of TGMR is right there at the entrance to SWL. Then, OM'sD and VotLM could be expansions for TSL (if they don't demo the parking garage and more back stage areas). Mickey ride then goes into Launch Bay.

Then there's always the ability to throw a huge soundstage onto the new parking lot with a covered queue that leads out there. This will necessitate building expensive parking garages, though.

Is Mickey still happening (there in TGMR area)? Thought someone said its been delayed or maybe rethinking the placement? I agree with you on the space and what available to use for SWL expansion.

 

[HMF]

If they had built it in Florida and not California, guess who would have been having the aneurysm because it's not in their park.

On the contrary, SWL is far more controversial among DL fans than among WDW Fans, Mostly because of where it is being placed.

 

[HMF]

7) Jack Sparrow- Walt Disney World receives a worse experience and loses a unique feature at the end of the attraction because of Disneyland.
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We actually lost quite a few unique features in that refurb.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is Mickey still happening (there in TGMR area)? Thought someone said its been delayed or maybe rethinking the placement? I agree with you on the space and what available to use for SWL expansion.

According to the insiders: It's the most probable thing, but then maybe not. WDW hasn't fully decided, and so the probability comes and goes, but, mostly is likely. Competing plans have not been eliminated.

 

[HMF]

I'd love to see the master plan for this Park.

Assuming there is one considering their lack of foresight.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here's a the thing though, I like Star Wars, but I'm not a huge fan by any means, like some... But it they built two completely different Star Wars destinations, I have a feeling huge fans (and there are a lot of them), would have travelled in droves to experience both.

Probably true, but these are 25+ year investments in the parks. I think SW fans would probably visit both parks to experience both lands once, but regular visitors would go back to visiting one park or the other. In other words having 2 unique SW Lands wouldn't drive a large number of WDW regulars to visit DLR too so no additional revenue for TWDC other than maybe in the first few years.

 

[GoofGoof]

Nothing in WDW limits the ability to expand. Just the desire of management and that wouldn't change it if were any other place in the park. The one thing that no one has to ever worry about is "do they have enough room"? Of course they do! Do they want to make it larger? Maybe, but, probably not!

Of course WDW has plenty of space in general. That's not really relevant to the point I was making. What I was talking about was the location selected for SWL. Look at a map of the park. They cannot expand much out beyond the park boundaries because of roads and wetlands. In the park they have TSL, GMR and Muppet Courtyard sourounding the land. The only way to build a large expansion of SWL at DHS (that would still be connected to the rest of SWL) would be to eliminate either TSL or Muppets. That's why I said the other proposed location where Indy sits now would have been better for future expansion.

It may be the reality of the way you travel, but, I'd hesitate to say that's the way people travel. As you said, a small percentage will do that. Yes, of course, it is cheaper, but, that is the plus for Disney, the plus for those that don't do the traveling, it is a major bonus that we get to see things that otherwise we wouldn't. Just because it's cheaper does not automatically mean that it won't be a very good experience for those that stay closer to home. If they had built it in Florida and not California, guess who would have been having the aneurysm because it's not in their park.

I think you completely missed my point. It has nothing to do with how I personally travel. The vast majority of park goers are going to visit either WDW or DLR whichever is closer geographically. It's a fact, not my opinion. Having clones on both coasts will not negatively impact the vast majority of visitors. For the small minority of visitors who regularly visit both WDW and DLR it's disappointing that the lands will be exact duplicates but they are trying to appeal to the masses here.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hardly.

The young and the young at heart. In other words everyone.

This should be playing at the park entrances...

 

[Goofyernmost]

On the contrary, SWL is far more controversial among DL fans than among WDW Fans, Mostly because of where it is being placed.

Yes, I do understand that, and to some degree I agree. Having it in MK, is not the place. California Adventure would have a much more suitable place, but, that is just one part of the story and there may have been a very logical reason that it ended up there, I don't know. If they didn't have it at all... you would hear a loud boom coming from the West Coast.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I thought expansion of SWL would be in this location?

Essentially where the earth brim will be built per your drawing correct?

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[Goofyernmost]

For all those that are reacting to the "it's about kids after all", that struck me as sarcasm and not a belief. I could be wrong, but, if an adult is enough of a fan to be hanging around a Disney Discussion Board, the chances are that they are pretty much into Disney as well.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Of course WDW has plenty of space in general. That's not really relevant to the point I was making. What I was talking about was the location selected for SWL. Look at a map of the park. They cannot expand much out beyond the park boundaries because of roads and wetlands. In the park they have TSL, GMR and Muppet Courtyard sourounding the land. The only way to build a large expansion of SWL at DHS (that would still be connected to the rest of SWL) would be to eliminate either TSL or Muppets. That's why I said the other proposed location where Indy sits now would have been better for future expansion.

I think you completely missed my point. It has nothing to do with how I personally travel. The vast majority of park goers are going to visit either WDW or DLR whichever is closer geographically. It's a fact, not my opinion. Having clones on both coasts will not negatively impact the vast majority of visitors. For the small minority of visitors who regularly visit both WDW and DLR it's disappointing that the lands will be exact duplicates but they are trying to appeal to the masses here.

I think we are both missing each others points. I'm just going by what was said not by my own opinion. I agree with everything, except the concept that they can't expand back there if they want too. They certainly can. Wetlands can be and have been moved many times. The entrance appears to be moving from it's current location which will add a lot of additional space if wanted, the new parking lot can eventually be used as part of the attraction area if they decided to build a parking garage. There is nothing stopping them from expanding, if they want too. That, however, is a big if!

As far as your second paragraph is concerned what you are saying is exactly what I believe, we don't have a differing of opinion there. We on the east coast should be able to share attractions as long as one isn't cut to pieces in the process. Having an exact clone is the only way to actually do it. Anything less would only serve to take that small percentage and get them to travel, and there really isn't a need for that. Disneyland has one major draw that WDW can never have. Walt Disney actually walked those streets, oversaw the building and implanted his unique outlook into it. WDW did it's best to follow those ideals, but, sometimes fell short of accomplishing it and, of course, Walt could never have walked WDW parks without scaring a lot of people. How he would feel about SWL being in Disneyland, no one really knows, but, that is where it is and I think it is going to be a fun addition and I'm not even a Star Wars fan.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think we are both missing each others points. I'm just going by what was said not by my own opinion. I agree with everything, except the concept that they can't expand back there if they want too. They certainly can. Wetlands can be and have been moved many times. The entrance appears to be moving from it's current location which will add a lot of additional space if wanted, the new parking lot can eventually be used as part of the attraction area if they decided to build a parking garage. There is nothing stopping them from expanding, if they want too. That, however, is a big if!

As far as your second paragraph is concerned what you are saying is exactly what I believe, we don't have a differing of opinion there. We on the east coast should be able to share attractions as long as one isn't cut to pieces in the process. Having an exact clone is the only way to actually do it. Anything less would only serve to take that small percentage and get them to travel, and there really isn't a need for that. Disneyland has one major draw that WDW can never have. Walt Disney actually walked those streets, oversaw the building and implanted his unique outlook into it. WDW did it's best to follow those ideals, but, sometimes fell short of accomplishing it and, of course, Walt could never have walked WDW parks without scaring a lot of people. How he would feel about SWL being in Disneyland, no one really knows, but, that is where it is and I think it is going to be a fun addition and I'm not even a Star Wars fan.

They really are pretty limited on expanding the current footprint of SWL without taking out TSL or Muppets. If you look at the sketch below that I stole from another thread, there's no way to expand to the left of the picture since the highway is there. TSL and GMR are directly up beyond the area in green marked expansion pad. To the right of SWL is Muppets. The only possible expansion is south but that is more problematic given the entrance roadway and areas of wetlands. Could it be done? Mayne, but it would be much more difficult and expenseive than just expanding into the existing expansion pad into the parking lot behind Indy. My only point it by selecting that location for SW Land they are much more limited to expand than if they went with the Echo Lake/Indy area. No point getting too worked up over it since it won't change now but it leads me to believe they aren't planning any major SW additions any time in the foreseeable future outside of the small area marked expansion below or if they got rid of Muppets.

 

[Casper Gutman]

They really are pretty limited on expanding the current footprint of SWL without taking out TSL or Muppets. If you look at the sketch below that I stole from another thread, there's no way to expand to the left of the picture since the highway is there. TSL and GMR are directly up beyond the area in green marked expansion pad. To the right of SWL is Muppets. The only possible expansion is south but that is more problematic given the entrance roadway and areas of wetlands. Could it be done? Mayne, but it would be much more difficult and expenseive than just expanding into the existing expansion pad into the parking lot behind Indy. My only point it by selecting that location for SW Land they are much more limited to expand than if they went with the Echo Lake/Indy area. No point getting too worked up over it since it won't change now but it leads me to believe they aren't planning any major SW additions any time in the foreseeable future outside of the small area marked expansion below or if they got rid of Muppets.

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I agree with your reading of the landscape. This is a prime example of Disney's flawed modern thinking - make no plans to expand a land based on what is almost certainly the most popular franchise in the world, a franchise that could essentially support an entire park on its own. Save a bit of money by not planning for the future. It's not like the competition down the road is reaping the benefits of multiple lands and expansions based around a single property.

 

[Goofyernmost]

They really are pretty limited on expanding the current footprint of SWL without taking out TSL or Muppets. If you look at the sketch below that I stole from another thread, there's no way to expand to the left of the picture since the highway is there. TSL and GMR are directly up beyond the area in green marked expansion pad. To the right of SWL is Muppets. The only possible expansion is south but that is more problematic given the entrance roadway and areas of wetlands. Could it be done? Mayne, but it would be much more difficult and expenseive than just expanding into the existing expansion pad into the parking lot behind Indy. My only point it by selecting that location for SW Land they are much more limited to expand than if they went with the Echo Lake/Indy area. No point getting too worked up over it since it won't change now but it leads me to believe they aren't planning any major SW additions any time in the foreseeable future outside of the small area marked expansion below or if they got rid of Muppets.

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You do realize that roads can be dug up and moved. If you want the big picture of the availability get a picture that includes the new parking lots. Without even moving the wetlands, which they can do, a simple bridge makes it part of the park instantly. Boundaries mean nothing. They can move the boundaries whenever they want. So don't worry about it. If Disney wants to expand, they have plenty of space to do so right there a step over the imaginary line the they are using as a boundary. The only limitation is what they decide they want to do. Regardless, any expansion of SWL, is quite a little hike down the road of time.

 

[WDWtraveler]

Photo update as of Saturday, Mar 18. Since my Star Wars Land March 4 post, forms are being added to the rebar, where the Streets of America used to be, in preparation for a concrete pour.

 

[Next Big Thing]

FWiW, in the long term, after the berm and backstage spots, TSL is next in line for SWE expansion.

Good. TSL is a tacky addition to the park.

I'm curious though... how would this affect TSMM? Would the entrance be reverted BACK to it's current location? Demo? @marni1971

 

[marni1971]

Good. TSL is a tacky addition to the park.

I'm curious though... how would this affect TSMM? Would the entrance be reverted BACK to it's current location? Demo? @marni1971

That's a good question. One I don't know. Does make you wonder though.

 

[ToTBellHop]

How long did Mickey's (temporary) Birthdayland last again? Personally, I would rather they build another of the lands originally proposed as part of the DHS rebirth than turning half of the park into Star Wars. And repealing and replacing Star Tours in 2021 and building a new Star Wars ride for 2025 or later would be a bit absurd and short-sighted.

This park needs bona-fide new content and park expansion, not replacements.