Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

_caleb

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I didn't just say OT - I said ALL characters past, present, and future. Having Mandalorian and Baby Yoda as well as the upcoming Kenobi series and whatever is next would only make the land alive and vibrant.

You can't tell me we can't have different time periods and characters in the same land - Fantasyland has been doing it for over 60 years and have yet to hear any child scream:

"Wait! You can't have Gaston because he's dead!"
"Why is there Pinocchio and Snow White next to each other! They're in different countries!!!"
"Wait! Why is the Beast walking around as the beast when he's now back to being a prince?!"
"Why does the little mermaid have fins when she's now a princess?!?!"
"Why is Mary Poppins with Bert when she's now with the guy from Hamilton?!??!"

The idea that you couldn't make a Star Wars land with attractions, shows, and characters celebrating all past, present, and future aspects of the brand is ridiculous on its face.

I'm not saying do some cheap crappy overlay of the creative disaster that is Batuu, I was talking about an entirely different, better concept they should have built. Everything now is just lipstick on a Bantha.
I'm curious how you envision the inclusion of all characters (past, present, future) in a single, cohesive land. Are you thinking they'd build sections within the Star Wars Land where each character would live? Padme in the Naboo area, Ewoks in an Endor area, Kylo Ren on a Starkiller Base area?

The reason "all characters together" works in Fantasyland is that Fantasyland isn't trying to provide a single, immersive story. It transitions from story to story (and back again). Disney was trying to do something different with Galaxy's Edge.

Mainstream audiences are probably less likely to know what it is about Star Wars that makes it special. They don't know all the details, they just like it (sort of like with Disney Parks!). The uber-fans are the ones who appreciate the details and become the arbiters of what's authentic and what isn't. Thats why producers include Easter Eggs- these are really only meaningful to the superfans, but earn the superfan endorsement that influence the mainstream fans.
 

_caleb

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Because a wide open celebration of Star Wars isn’t an idea that has legs of its own and instead backs itself on the past success and popularity of the franchise. That’s actually incredibly short-term. Creating something that has creativity and unique storytelling of its own, rather than piggybacking off of the creativity and unique storytelling that people previously fell in love with, is a much smarter idea long-term. Pandora does this to an extent, albeit somewhat unintentionally, and it’s been very successful.

The problem with Galaxy’s Edge is execution. A dirty, depressing, war-torn, fascist area isn’t the most compelling idea, especially without the “frontier” story of hope and opportunity being expressed well. Beloved OT characters would not change that. They’d distract from it, maybe, but they wouldn’t solve the underlying issue. The Pixar Pier solution of adding things guests know and love to a foundationally lackluster area is not one we should be defending with our honor.
Note: moved from the ROTR thread to this one.

I TOTALLY agree!

Not sure who might be familiar with Colonial Williamsburg, but for a time they followed a daily schedule of reenacting the timeline of the American Resolution over the course of each day. At opening, the town is a British Colony with Redcoats in the streets, Union Jacks on the flag staffs, and just a hint of a rebellion as colonists gossip with the visitors. Around lunchtime, "protests" were staged, Patriots spoke out, and the Revolution began. During the afternoon, Continental soldiers marched in the streets and reenacted battles. By evening, there was singing, dancing, and fife and drum parades in celebration of liberty.

This is the kind of thing that Disney needs to do in Galaxy's Edge. More atmosphere with an overarching storyline. They could easily add lots of First Order stormtroopers/officers, droids, and flags early in the day to create an oppressive atmosphere, and then switch over to a rebel-controlled outpost with Jedi and "May the Force be with you" celebration later in the day to create a dynamic ongoing story.
 

RobWDW1971

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I'm curious how you envision the inclusion of all characters (past, present, future) in a single, cohesive land. Are you thinking they'd build sections within the Star Wars Land where each character would live? Padme in the Naboo area, Ewoks in an Endor area, Kylo Ren on a Starkiller Base area?

The reason "all characters together" works in Fantasyland is that Fantasyland isn't trying to provide a single, immersive story. It transitions from story to story (and back again). Disney was trying to do something different with Galaxy's Edge.
You could do it in countless ways - mini-lands like you mentioned with Naboo, Tatooine, Hoth, Death Star, etc. or you could do incredibly themed areas like a Jedi Temple, Empire Base, etc., etc. Or make just do what they did with Harry Potter and make it a generic backdrop - none of the timelines there make sense with Diagon Alley, but the fans (and non-fans) don't care. And if the new movies are popular, those characters could walk around HP and add attractions with them and everyone would celebrate.

Fans want to see the characters they love (and future characters) and go on attractions featuring them - this idea it all must be some defined, locked time/place was an idiotic idea from the jump, especially considering the vastness and timeliness of the Star Wars universe. There is freakin' Darth Vader AND Kylo Ren in the Jedi Academy at DHS and the kids and crowds go nuts.

You are exactly right about Fantasyland - and that is why it has worked beautifully for 60+ years and will for the next 100 years.

I agree, Disney was trying to do something different - they tried and failed miserably. They ended up with the worst of both worlds - leaving out complete eras of past and future Star Wars stories and didn't execute on a "living, breathing world" at all. So we are stuck with a boring, deserted "Batuu" that is stuck in the middle of a single saga - had they waited one more year, the entire story would have been different. That's the problem with trying to lock it down like that.

So we are left with Boba Fett wandering around a pizza place in Tomorrowland at DL, the Mandalorian not even being in the land (and if was he'd be a senior citizen), Baby Yoda merch on a cart in the tunnel, and no chance for any of the characters in the upcoming Kenobi series or the new Clone Wars series to be in the billion dollar "Star Wars land". Brilliant, Disney, brilliant.
 

_caleb

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You could do it in countless ways - mini-lands like you mentioned with Naboo, Tatooine, Hoth, Death Star, etc. or you could do incredibly themed areas like a Jedi Temple, Empire Base, etc., etc. Or make just do what they did with Harry Potter and make it a generic backdrop - none of the timelines there make sense with Diagon Alley, but the fans (and non-fans) don't care. And if the new movies are popular, those characters could walk around HP and add attractions with them and everyone would celebrate.

Fans want to see the characters they love (and future characters) and go on attractions featuring them - this idea it all must be some defined, locked time/place was an idiotic idea from the jump, especially considering the vastness and timeliness of the Star Wars universe. There is freakin' Darth Vader AND Kylo Ren in the Jedi Academy at DHS and the kids and crowds go nuts.

You are exactly right about Fantasyland - and that is why it has worked beautifully for 60+ years and will for the next 100 years.

I agree, Disney was trying to do something different - they tried and failed miserably. They ended up with the worst of both worlds - leaving out complete eras of past and future Star Wars stories and didn't execute on a "living, breathing world" at all. So we are stuck with a boring, deserted "Batuu" that is stuck in the middle of a single saga - had they waited one more year, the entire story would have been different. That's the problem with trying to lock it down like that.

So we are left with Boba Fett wandering around a pizza place in Tomorrowland at DL, the Mandalorian not even being in the land, and if was he'd be a senior citizen, Baby Yoda merch on a cart in the tunnel, and no chance for any of the characters in the upcoming Kenobi series or the new Clone Wars series to be in the billion dollar "Star Wars land". Brilliant, Disney, brilliant.
I don't think it's such a huge misstep, but I see your point and agree it's a missed opportunity. I still think the way forward is to please the mainstream by aiming at the superfans (as you mention, they're currently missing both). Designated areas (the two sides of the land, for example, would be a great way to differentiate and include a broader array of characters. Or the daily schedule approach to story I mentioned above. Either way, they should do something to adapt and adjust!
 

RobWDW1971

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I don't think it's such a huge misstep, but I see your point and agree it's a missed opportunity. I still think the way forward is to please the mainstream by aiming at the superfans (as you mention, they're currently missing both). Designated areas (the two sides of the land, for example, would be a great way to differentiate and include a broader array of characters. Or the daily schedule approach to story I mentioned above. Either way, they should do something to adapt and adjust!
The more you think about, the more insane it really is. Disney has access to AFI 's #3 villain in all-time cinema history. And they are going to make a $100M+ attraction where you come face to face with a villain and are chased by them for the entire ride. Nah, we're good.

Heck, at least in the 80's they were smart enough to include the #4 Wicked Witch of the West and make her the focus of the finale of the park's signature attraction! Luckily, there wasn't some WDI cubicle dweller smoking their own dope trying to convince everyone they should use the cast of Return to Oz that had just opened a few years earlier - "But it is so much more relevant! Who wants a 50 year old villain?!"

Also, I would have paid good money to watch the marketing executive's recent interaction with the (much lower paid) WDI executive:

M: Great news, the Mandalorian is blowing up! It's the centerpiece of the entire Disney+ launch! So how fast can we get him and Baby Yoda into your little Star Wars land thingy in the parks?

WDI: Um, well, you see, Batuu takes place in the time period between "The Last Jedi" and "The Rise of Skywalker" while "The Mandalorian" takes place after "Return of the Jedi", which is about 25-30 years before our time period so we really can't introduce him in his current state as it would be a disconnect to the world we created.

M: Shut up, nerd.
 
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TrainChasers

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This. Exactly this. “Disney was trying to do something different” - yes. That’s the problem. We didn’t want something different, we wanted what Disney has always done best!

I do think that if actors were all over the place like originally planned... by the droids, by the garage, on the rooftops, by the various flying contraptions (I was scolded once for mixing up a tie-fighter and an x-wing... I won’t make that mistake again!) now that would help for sure.

I mean why isn’t there a cantina band playing somewhere!? Or whatever music they play in that exact moment of time in the SW universe.

You are exactly right about Fantasyland - and that is why it has worked beautifully for 60+ years and will for the next 100 years.

I agree, Disney was trying to do something different - they tried and failed miserably. They ended up with the worst of both worlds - leaving out complete eras of past and future Star Wars stories and didn't execute on a "living, breathing world" at all. So we are stuck with a boring, deserted "Batuu" that is stuck in the middle of a single saga -
 
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