News Star Wars Galaxy's Edge opening day reports - Disney's Hollywood Studios

easyrowrdw

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I understand...but if the stories were stronger it wouldn’t be 50%

Just like 37% drop In box office isn’t “normal”

Would it not? I honestly don't know what was expected. As for the box office, according to Box Office Mojo, Empire made 30.5% less than A New Hope. Last Jedi was down 35.5% from Awakens. Does that mean Last Jedi's story is 5% worse than Empire's or that neither is as good as the movies that preceded them? Of course not, as we know most consider Empire to be the high point of the franchise. A drop in box office isn't necessarily related to a drop in quality.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
So “dead wrong”...ok...let’s move on.



Stop with the ROTR thing...please. This is just too pro-Disney convenient based on actual events.

And the situation worked will with avatar...one example.

It worked completely opposite with Harry Potter - which is IP driven. And even toy story land...which is the definition of mediocre.

Nice try there.
I think it's a rational explanation. You don't think it's plausible that a good chunk of people are withholding $5,000-$10,000 vacations until ROTR is open in a couple months? I definitely think it is. WDW isn't on our vacation planner until next summer, but we certainly wouldn't be going now when one of the biggest rides Disney has ever built is opening a few months from now. I find it hard to believe we'd be the only ones thinking this.
 

easyrowrdw

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Again, I don't know where you are getting your information. Flight of Passage has had a longer line than Smuggler's Run all afternoon. Others have even posted screen shots to prove it. Maybe you should add some counter-proofs to back up your narrative that the line is longer for MF:SR?

I think you're talking past each other. The waits are similar, but even if Passage is longer that's due to Fastpass, not actually having more people in line. If there are 10 people in front of me, but only 2 get to go each time (FP situation), then it will take longer than if there are 40 people in front of me, but 10 get to go each time (all standby situation).
 

Higginbotham587

Active Member
Possibly part of that problem with this IP though is that people expect to see what they’re familiar with for such a massive IP.

You mean like a hammerhead dude in one of the stores (awesome animatronic in a store!)? As a huge fan I saw plenty that was familiar. The Falcon and the A wing were highlights too. I have to say I found the implied plot of Batuu fun too.
 

wdw71fan

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Went to Galaxies Edge this morning and I was pleasantly surprised but the lack of insanity in the crowd levels.. Falcon was a 50 at the time, actual wait was roughly 35 minutes? and everything was running smoothly...

Ironically, I jumped over to AK for a bit and noticed FoP was still like a 130... pretty sure 90% of the issues with that attraction are the slow turnover.. but whatever.. it'll get better....hopefully
 

bclane

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As a Star Wars fan of nearly 30 years…This will be a day long remembered. What an incredible trip. After closely following bioreconstruct’s aerial photos for what seemed like years I’ve finally visited Galaxy’s Edge - and for the Grand Opening no less. Here’s my (lengthy) review…

The Journey

My buddy Rob and I checked in at Coronado Springs the day before our visit to Batuu. After meeting up with the rest of our party at Disney Springs we tried to get to bed early…with moderate success. 🙂

Woke up the next day at 3am, picked up our two other travelers, and got to DHS by 4am. It seems like just a few minutes later they started letting us through the turn styles to stage on Hollywood Boulevard. We were probably within the first 500-1000 people in line to get into the land. By 4:30am they’d moved our staging area to Grand Avenue…and at about 4:50am they opened the gates and let us into Galaxy’s Edge.

We walked through the Resistance outpost where Chewie and Rey greeted us all from the X-Wing landing platform. There were lightly-themed fans positioned on all the walkways to help keep us cool. They established a line that swerved through Black Spire Outpost and led us straight to the Falcon. The wait took about an hour and 45 minutes, but it seemed to go by extremely quickly. Between the excitement, checking out the sites (the land is beautiful at “night”), Stormtroopers interacting with us, and the data pad app we were well entertained. There were multiple free water stands set up throughout the line and one soda/water kiosk for the themed bottles.

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Smuggler’s Run

Weaving through the line and finally making it to the view of the Falcon was breathtaking. The way the land is structured with angled pathways makes for some incredible reveals. The Smuggler’s Run queue was great as well. Lots of fun Easter eggs and theming to keep you occupied. The Hondo animatronic really is fantastic, but it’s still very much an animatronic - there was no mistaking it for a performer. We always boarded on the right side of Hondo’s room, and it was a bummer that his droid didn’t really ever turn his face towards us.

Boarding the Falcon was done incredibly well. The faux-jetway that leads to the Falcon’s docking ring had a great bounce to it. Boarding via that docking ring was also totally fine - the film’s (non ADA compliant) ramp was not missed at all. Walking around the Falcon and sitting at the chess table was also surreal. This applies to the entire land, but the attention to detail within the Falcon is top notch. The console Han sits at in ANH, the maintenance hallway from ESB, the drawers Rey stores the Jedi texts in during TLJ…it all seems perfect. The only thing I wasn’t a fan of was the flooring. It’s got a faux-grate look and feel to it, but it’s very obviously solid flooring. At least the maintenance panel from ESB/TFA should’ve been a real grate with some internal theming under it. But that’s really just nitpicking, the attention to detail and passion put into the entire attraction and interior is really off the charts. Kudos to the team in charge of that Falcon interior.

We got to ride Smuggler’s Run three times throughout the day. Twice we entered from the non-canonical hallway via the maintenance bay. Once we entered the proper way. The illusion works either way, the maintenance hallway leads to another hallway that curves around and effectively makes you think you’re in the correct position.

I got to experience right pilot (horizontal), left pilot (vertical) and gunner (accidentally on automatic). Right pilot was fantastic, especially since you get to pull the hyperspace lever. Left pilot seemed more difficult, but was still fun. Both pilot positions are so close to the screen that it’s a bit hard to see everything clearly. Gunner position offered a much better view of the overall experience. Since my gunner position was on auto that meant I didn’t have to aim, so I just kept my finger on one button and watched the screens the entire time. But each time the ride was a blast. Between the queue and the interactive elements I’d say a singular ride is better than Star Tours, but where Star Tours beats Smuggler’s Run is the randomized scenes. If Smuggler’s Run had three random missions as first reported it’d be incredible, and push this attraction not the next level. While the Millennium Falcon itself is the visual centerpiece of the land you can tell that Smuggler’s Run is not meant to be the land’s premier attraction.

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Black Spire Outpost

A major priority for our group was lightsabers, so the very next thing we did was line up for Dok Ondar’s Den of Antiquities. However, since the line for Dok’s was projected to be 90 minutes we took shifts in the line to explore Black Spire Outpost during this time.

First - the cast members. We made it a point to ask a bunch of cast members for their backstories, and they delivered. They had villages picked out, how they ended up at BSO, and justifications for why they were doing their current job today. It was fun. The lingo was great (instead of Apple Pay it’s “communicator pay,” instead of Magic Band it’s “data band.” But, at the end of the day they’re no replacement for the roaming droids or clients we were promised. While opening day’s crowds would not have been conducive to these, they really need to add them at some point.

The sounds. It seemed like a big deal was made about a lack of orchestral score throughout the land. But (IIRC) it’s present during Smuggler’s Run and it’s very present during Savi’s (which I’ll get to later). But the sound throughout BSO is…pretty awesome. No, there’s no orchestral score. But there’s awesome sound effects throughout the land that I noticed quite often. Random music that sounds very in-world, transmissions and chatter from inhabitants of the land, the sounds of AT-AT’s stomping in the distance or ships flying overhead…it was all very effective and made me feel very much like I was somewhere surrounded by activity. Another bonus is how hacking via the data pad causes communication towers and droids to react via sound - super cool.

The Marketplace - The various shops are a lot of fun, but the stalls really are so small. I think I get it though - each one is so specialized and only has a handful of items. I picked up a few Stormtrooper toys for my friend who’s a big Stormtrooper fan. Other than that we just “window” shopped a bit. The market felt active and fun. We did not try Kat Saka’s Kettle. The rest of my party did grab Ronto Wraps, of which I had a bite of the standard wrap. Man…that one bite was exceptional. I couldn’t eat one of my own due to some dietary restrictions, which also impacted my time in the cantina.

Characters - The troopers on roof tops were great, as were the interactive troopers throughout the land. Vi Moradi was all over the place, and I had a fun quick convo with her. Rey was strolling around the Resistance Outpost with Chewie, and they interacted with a bunch of kids. It was great to see unattended characters walking around again like WDW in the 90’s.

Overall - The details and photo-ops throughout BSO are great. The speeder garage is fun, but could’ve used some bounce to the speeders or additional sound effects. The Coke kiosks are a nice touch. Batuu may not be seen in the films, but the overall design language and detail is so indicative of the Star Wars universe that it absolutely feels like you’re in the films. A prime example would be Oga’s apartment near her Cantina - it’s so evocative of the Mos Espa apartments in The Phantom Menace. Another example would be how the lighting fixtures are appropriately other worldly. The moisture evaporators, the communication towers, the architecture…it all screams Star Wars.

Blue and Green Milk

Two of us waited in line for the Milk Stand while the other two held our place in Dok’s line. Everybody got Blue Milk and I got an extra green milk for us all to try.

My buddy Rob and I each bought vintage Tupperware containers that were used as the glasses for Blue Milk in A New Hope. We poured our Blue Milk servings in those for a more authentic experience. 🙂

The Blue Milk was extremely pleasant, with berry and coconut flavors being most prominent to me. There’s only a hint of the pineapple. The Green Milk was good as well, but it was more like a dessert than a smoothie to me. The Green Milk tasted very much like a Fruity Pebbles milkshake. The Rice/Coconut milk base was not a detriment at all - in fact it was quite welcome.

The verdict: I’d enjoy Blue Milk on the regular, Green Milk every once in a while for a dessert-style treat. I don’t drink sodas, so I’m not a fan of drinks that are overly sweet. To me, blue milk hit the perfect amount of sweetness while green milk was at the upper end of my sweetness limit.

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Dok Ondar’s

Once we finally got into Dok Ondar’s we were surprised by how small it was - it looks bigger in pictures. The props and theming throughout the shop are a love letter to all of Star Wars. There’s representation from the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, Sequel Trilogy, Rogue One, Solo, The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Mandalorian, and probably even more that I didn’t recognize.

Only two cashiers were checking people out in the saber line, which meant the line took a while. And only one of the cashiers was able to ship your merchandise “off world” - so our line was even longer. There was an attendant in the line who could show you the various sabers and collect the items you were purchasing though. Two of us each got a legacy saber, two hilt stands (one for Savi’s later), and two Kyber crystals.

Oga’s Cantina

Next stop - Oga’s. We were lucky enough to get a booth, and we had some great company seated with us. Once again, due to dietary restrictions my options were limited. I got the Yub Nub and the Cliff Dweller (both without the mugs). I enjoy all the core elements of those drinks, but their proportions seemed entirely off. They were both overwhelmingly citrus flavored, to the point where I tasted nothing else but the citrus juices. Half way through the Yub Nub my lips were stinging from the citrus acids. Everybody else got Fuzzy Tauntauns and T-16 Skyhoppers, which they reported were good. Our waiter was fast, attentive, and “in character” as much as he could be. The overall vibe of the Cantina was awesome, with DJ-R3X’s tunes and commentary providing entertainment. The bar staff and waiters also had a few moments where they encouraged patron participation - those moments were well executed and a lot of fun.

The Cantina is small, but I’m hoping the future restaurant addition will remedy that. If they don’t move forward with the restaurant then they should use that flex space in the back for an additional Cantina.

I’m bummed that my dietary restrictions limited my drink choices. I’d like to give the Cantina another shot on a day where I can be braver in terms of what drinks I consume. But it totally nails the vibe I was looking for - a slightly updated and more modern take on the classic ANH cantina.

Docking Bay 7

I loved the theming in this restaurant. The Carbon Freeze chamber, the X-Wing S-foil table, the “fresh frozen” fish hanging, the alien fruits and veggies…it was all pretty great. Once again, my dietary restrictions held me back here, but my end results were much better than the Cantina. I was eyeing the Braised Shaak Roast or Smoked Kaduu Ribs - which my buddies ended up getting - but ended up with the Fried Endorian Tip-Yip. The Tip-Yip…exceeded expectations. The chicken itself was very good and the breading had some spice to it. The gravy that surrounded the mashed potatoes also had a fantastic kick. The mixture of the chicken, mash and gravy made for a great meal that I’d absolutely have again. And for the record: no sporks were stolen by our party. 🙂

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Savi’s Workshop

I’ll keep this fairly spoiler free. This was what I was most looking forward to. I’d heard good reviews of the experience, but I also heard that we had actual performers leading the experience here as opposed to front line cast members at Disneyland. Boy, is that apparent during the build. Our lead Gatherer did a phenomenal job engaging us and really selling the emotion of the experience. He was completely in sync with the queues for the various production elements of the show, and it added so much to the experience.

The biggest detractor to the experience were the additional gatherers that oversaw the saber builds. They popped up out of nowhere with this extremely in-your-face Disney-to-the-max vibe that so clashed with the mood that the pre-show worked so hard to establish. I didn’t want to spoil the show, so I hadn’t watched any videos of it, but I had watched plenty of videos on how the sabers are constructed. As such, I knew what I was doing and wanted to try a few different component configurations. Once I started trying different components Hannah Montana asked that I stop - she wanted me to stick to her lead and not jump ahead. That would’ve been fine…had she not also insisted that she take my part tray as soon as my first hilt configuration was done. I understand that they’re trying to move groups in and out quickly, but the fact that she held me back from testing out component configurations and then prevented me from trying once I had my first iteration assembled really rubbed me the wrong way - especially when I was paying $200 for this. This bummed me out throughout the rest of the experience, which was extremely unfortunate.

After the show we checked out our sabers and I noticed mine was activating with a major delay. So I had a cast member check it out and he must’ve swapped my saber core out for me. So do be sure to do a quick QA check on your sabers before leaving.

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Overall Thoughts

Galaxy’s Edge is going to be a home run - assuming Rise of the Resistance meets expectations once it opens. As we left my friends and I all remarked how incredible it was that we didn’t feel like we were in Hollywood Studios at all for the 11+ hours we were in GE. The food is in the upper echelon of theme park quick service, right there with Satu’li Canteen (if not above it). The theming is beyond next level - it’s incredible. The attention to detail throughout the land is remarkable. Smuggler’s Run is tons of fun, and adding additional missions in the future could potentially elevate its status as the “second” ride of Galaxy’s Edge. But as it stands today the only attraction available on day one is great, but you can tell it’s not meant to be the marquee attraction.

Now are there areas for improvement? Absolutely. Bring on the roaming droids and aliens. The First Order corner is kinda sparse. There is nothing for a child under 38” to do but beg their parents to buy them things. We need the Table Service Restaurant or Cantina expansion. The Resistance Outpost could use some more activity akin to the Green Army Men in Toy Story Land. And I think they’ve got some kinks to work out with those assistant-Gatherers and the quality control at Savi’s. And as mentioned - the land needs Rise of the Resistance to open and meet or exceed expectations to be whole.

Huge thanks to Scott Trowbridge and the team involved in Galaxy's Edge. You guys have made this nerd's dreams of traveling to a Galaxy Far, Far Away come true.

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Thank you for your fantastic review! It really is an amazing place and I can't wait to go back. I want to go again tonight now that Dorian looks to be less threatening (and we've finished most of our prep anyway) but my wife is begging to go to Animal Kingdom so I might have to wait until tomorrow. Awesome looking lightsaber btw and great idea on the tupperware containers. SWGE is a triumph imo but hopefully they add back the stuff that was cut. I'm not sure if the negativity and lighter than expected crowds will push Disney to expand sooner or make more cuts. Hopefully not the latter. Anyway, thanks again. Dec 5 can't come soon enough!
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Would it not? I honestly don't know what was expected. As for the box office, according to Box Office Mojo, Empire made 30.5% less than A New Hope. Last Jedi was down 35.5% from Awakens. Does that mean Last Jedi's story is 5% worse than Empire's or that neither is as good as the movies that preceded them? Of course not, as we know most consider Empire to be the high point of the franchise. A drop in box office isn't necessarily related to a drop in quality.
No matter if you’re “upbeat” or “downbeat” on Star Wars...we all seem to be in general agreement it was an “event” movie in 2015.

This was Disney...and self professed (but not really) Star Wars fan JJ abrams correcting all those mistakes from grouchy George.

Not saying I think that...but it was the consensus undertone/perception. It was the feeling “on the street”

They got $2 billion out of that.

But it’s the substance of the movie that would or would not carry it forward to further riches and franchise strengthening. And the narrative (bland reboot) and characters are what has pulled it down since.

What was the “thing” about the OT? People could watch them over and over and over again. Still do.
The market for merchandise was growing leading into the prequels. 16 years.

This isn’t really a debate...it’s just what has happened.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think it's a rational explanation. You don't think it's plausible that a good chunk of people are withholding $5,000-$10,000 vacations until ROTR is open in a couple months? I definitely think it is. WDW isn't on our vacation planner until next summer, but we certainly wouldn't be going now when one of the biggest rides Disney has ever built is opening a few months from now. I find it hard to believe we'd be the only ones thinking this.
Some Would have...

But this ROTR excuse only gained traction after the lukewarm opening in Disneyland.

Again...it’s a dark ride...the billows of “wait till ROTR” only filled after tepid and “not fantastic” millennium falcon reviews.

Disney even threw some red meat to the crowd didn’t they by labeling the one “signature” in like April?

They know their ticket sales and bookings...just remember that.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
And the narrative (bland reboot) and characters are what has pulled it down since.

I don't think the reboot is to blame. It did as intended. It was a way to introduce a new generation to the galaxy, while giving the fandom enough of the past to reacquaint themselves. It set up the new characters well enough to evolve.......then, they blew it up. Think what you want about TLJ - and Disney possibly wanting to "kill off the past". I don't think they wanted to "kill off half of the fandom" along with it. There were better ways through storytelling to shift the narrative to the new characters without totally destroying the OT characters. Which is what they ended up accomplishing.
 

winstongator

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I was there last year at this time and it was the absolute slowest I have seen WDW in years visiting at all different times of year. I ate lunch alone on the second floor of Columbia Harbour House - there was quite literally no one else up there other than CMs closing off other sections with rope.

I think we’re seeing a combo of maybe this being the one slow time left due to school starting, etc plus the approaching hurricane.

I have no idea if the land will ultimately be successful or not but I think they picked a pretty lousy time to open it. Plus didn’t they only announce this opening date back in March? Unless you were a huge Star Wars fan, it was awfully late in the game to shift around or plan a vacation just for this. I think the crazy prices are probably also not helping. Again, unless you were a huge Star Wars fan you are probably not going to make two trips within 4 months to see both new attractions in the land - it would cost you a fortune. So why not wait until everything is open?

I also do not care one iota about Star Wars either the old or newer versions so I have found it difficult to get excited about the land at all (which may be another issue for Disney - are there really as many Star Wars superfans as they think there are?) but I do think it is too early to judge whether it will be successful.
There's a group of people less sensitive to ticket prices - pass holders. The people blacked out at Disney Land. We went to DL because we were in Orange County. I held my nose when I paid for a 1-day ticket. Fast forward months to this weekend. I was going to go this weekend because I have a pass. The only pass holders that got previews were the platinum. The gold and silver are Floridians and DVC. Lots of Floridians were impacted by Dorian, like me. So the group that would adjust to make a last-minute trip is the same group impacted by a huge weather event. You likely had a lot of Orlando pass holders going, but I don't think that could make up for it.

My pass holder cost is considerably higher than our first year having them (2015). I know they make up a much smaller percentage of guests in WDW vs. DL, but I think they are the most elastic in terms of visiting. We stay at hotels, eat and buy merchandise too. I wonder if they'll decelerate all the price increases including the passes.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
I don't think the reboot is to blame. It did as intended. It was a way to introduce a new generation to the galaxy, while giving the fandom enough of the past to reacquaint themselves. It set up the new characters well enough to evolve.......then, they blew it up. Think what you want about TLJ - and Disney possibly wanting to "kill off the past". I don't think they wanted to "kill off half of the fandom" along with it. There were better ways through storytelling to shift the narrative to the new characters without totally destroying the OT characters. Which is what they ended up accomplishing.
We'll see how Episode 9 does. I have a feeling we'll have a plot that might make some of episode 8's decisions make sense. Though undoubtably, the execution of those decisions will never be redeemed in my opinion.

A Rey, Kylo, and Force ghost Luke vs Force ghost Palpatine and his apprentice (rumored to be played my Matt Smith) plot is something I can get behind.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There's a group of people less sensitive to ticket prices - pass holders. The people blacked out at Disney Land. We went to DL because we were in Orange County. I held my nose when I paid for a 1-day ticket. Fast forward months to this weekend. I was going to go this weekend because I have a pass. The only pass holders that got previews were the platinum. The gold and silver are Floridians and DVC. Lots of Floridians were impacted by Dorian, like me. So the group that would adjust to make a last-minute trip is the same group impacted by a huge weather event. You likely had a lot of Orlando pass holders going, but I don't think that could make up for it.

My pass holder cost is considerably higher than our first year having them (2015). I know they make up a much smaller percentage of guests in WDW vs. DL, but I think they are the most elastic in terms of visiting. We stay at hotels, eat and buy merchandise too. I wonder if they'll decelerate all the price increases including the passes.
Is this where I propagate my personal desire for a nice AP discount...you know - “for the 50th”?
 

Stripes

Premium Member
The thing is, both attractions are based on the Disney versions. They’re trying to rewrite history. Everything else notwithstanding that’s the problem I have (I know. Poor little old me.)

I still expect Rise to be fantastic. Personally it’d be even better if Vader was chasing me and not some young upstart wannabe version.
Btw, I believe it was you that commented that guest surveys regarding MFSR are mixed. Was there anymore specificity given like what unhappy guests are complaining about?
 

mikejs78

Well-Known Member
Again, I don't know where you are getting your information. Flight of Passage has had a longer line than Smuggler's Run all afternoon. Others have even posted screen shots to prove it. Maybe you should add some counter-proofs to back up your narrative that the line is longer for MF:SR?
Simple Math. Wait time has less to do with things than hourly capacity does.

Currently FoP has a 125 min wait and MF has a 105 min wait. Let's assume those waits hold through the rest of the day.

FoP hourly capacity is 1440 people per hour. MF is 1800, although I've heard people here say it's really more like 1650, so for the sake of argument we will use the 1650 number.

DHS opened at 6 AM and closes at 10 PM. That's a 16 hour day. During that time, 26,400 people will ride (16 x 1650). AK opened at 7 AM and closes at 9:30 PM - a 14.5 hour day. So during that time, 20,800 people will ride (14.5 x 1440). This assumes both rides are running with all theaters/simulators.

Now, as we said above, we will assume the current wait times will be the same wait time at end of day. This means that at park close, no more people will enter the line. MF will have 105 min of people to process. This means another 2,887 people will ride MF after park close (1.75 the capacity, as 105 min is 1.75 hours). FoP will have an additional 2,995 people ride (2.08 x 1440). So the totals for the day will be:

FoP: 23,895
MF: 29,287

So yes, about 5500 more people will ride MF today than FoP.

@marni1971 please correct my numbers if I'm wrong about any of the above.

@marn
 
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