News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[MistaDee]

The Skywalker saga is what people really want. They just have to get over themselves and understand that people prefer pre Disney Star Wars content. Not to say nothing about the sequel trilogy or those elements in GE are good but the land needs a lot more OT presence. Mando was good but even that got old by season 3. Mandos presence shouldn’t be more than a walk around character and mission on Smugglers Run. STAR WARS is the Skywalker Saga. Everything else is fleeting.

That's honestly not what I want. I think it's the broader world of Star Wars, across comics, merchandise, video games etc. that really sets it apart. Over anchoring on the skywalker saga is precisely what led to such an unimaginative sequel trilogy and the awful Rey Palpatine angle

Make a compelling immersive world, make it feel interactive and lived in and then set em loose

 

[mickEblu]

That's honestly not what I want. I think it's the broader world of Star Wars, across comics, merchandise, video games etc. that really sets it apart. Over anchoring on the skywalker saga is precisely what led to such an unimaginative sequel trilogy and the awful Rey Palpatine angle

Make a compelling immersive world, make it feel interactive and lived in and then set em loose

You don’t more of a FORCE presence, Jedi v Sith, C-3PO, Vader, Jabba, Ewoks, Speederbike coaster, lightsaber battles, Yoda etc? Granted not all of that is confined to the OT but the OT versions of those characters/ settings that are the most timeless. I don’t need 25 year old Luke n Leia walking around or to relive the stories from the OT but I want the characters and all the elements that made the franchise what it is.

 

[D.Silentu]

For those just tuning in and wondering about the abrupt topic shift on the previous page, here are its genesis posts:

Or WDI could drop the "edge" from the name, go with Star Wars Galaxy and rejigger it to where you can visit five iconic Star Wars locales within the current 14 acre footprint. Maybe, just maybe this is the course correction that has been approved. But how would I know that.

I didn't mishear. That's all I can offer is just something I know. This land has become a marketing mess as it was completely conceived and themed around the biggest grossing movie in America. Then four years later the bottom fell out and now there is 75% apathy towards the locals and characters the land was built around. The folks that can affect change are aware of this and that it is the last of the big brands that has not found its turnaround yet.

3 new familiar areas plus two existing ones that incorporate the two rides.

Carry on!

 

[Disney Irish]

Make a compelling immersive world, make it feel interactive and lived in and then set em loose

The LARPing aspect is something that I think most in the GP aren't interested in.

 

[D.Silentu]

In terms of improving the land via interactivity I would say Toontown, especially in its early years, is a good template.

 

[MistaDee]

You don’t more of a FORCE presence, Jedi v Sith, C-3PO, Vader, Jabba, Ewoks, Speederbike coaster, lightsaber battles, Yoda etc? Granted not all of that is confined to the OT but the OT versions of those characters/ settings that are the most timeless. I don’t need 25 year old Luke n Leia walking around or to relive the stories from the OT but I want the characters and all the elements that made the franchise what it is.

I have no problem with any of that. My point is that Star Wars has always been a far larger universe than the original trilogy + prequels. The myopic view that everything has to run through the Skywalkers is the same one that led us to "somehow Palpatine returned"

I'd love to see everything you mentioned, just saying there's a whole (expanded) universe to draw on.

The LARPing aspect is something that I think most in the GP aren't interested in.

I'm not suggesting explicit LARPing, just that the living breathing elements of the land that were cut and prioritized for the Galactic Starcruiser would go a long way towards making the land feel more rich and immersive. That means more walk around entertainment, a training academy type experience, more themed show elements you can walk up to and engage with like we see in places like Zootopia, Pandora, even Moana Way of Water - not a forced, app-based RPG game.

I won't presume to arbitrate what the general public wants, but my hunch is most people would enjoy a land that offers more ways to engage with the wider Star Wars universe.

 

[Disney Irish]

I have no problem with any of that. My point is that Star Wars has always been a far larger universe than the original trilogy + prequels. The myopic view that everything has to run through the Skywalkers is the same one that led us to "somehow Palpatine returned"

I'd love to see everything you mentioned, just saying there's a whole (expanded) universe to draw on.

The problem it appears is that the GP wants to continue to stick in the Skywalker Saga, its why it continues to do well. I rather move on, but I feel I'm in the minority.

I'm not suggesting explicit LARPing, just that the living breathing elements of the land that were cut and prioritized for the Galactic Starcruiser would go a long way towards making the land feel more rich and immersive. That means more walk around entertainment, a training academy type experience, more themed show elements you can walk up to and engage with like we see in places like Zootopia, Pandora, even Moana Way of Water - not a forced, app-based RPG game.

I won't presume to arbitrate what the general public wants, but my hunch is most people would enjoy a land that offers more ways to engage with the wider Star Wars universe.

Except a lot of the stuff that was cut and moved to Starcruiser was the LARPing stuff. And I just don't think the GP really wants to do that. Just add more M&G with the characters from all eras of SW and I think the GP will be fine for the most part.

 

[Too Many Hats]

I’m kind of over Star Wars (despite my undying love for the original trilogy), so my hope would be that any Galaxy’s Edge retooling simply results in more water features, shade, and kinetic energy. Maybe some more John Williams as well.

 

[MistaDee]

The problem it appears is that the GP wants to continue to stick in the Skywalker Saga, its why it continues to do well. I rather move on, but I feel I'm in the minority.

I think Galaxy's Edge definitely needs to deliver on some of the "greatest hits" from Star Wars, there's clearly an appetite for that. I just don't think the skywalker saga needs to be the end all be all: Andor, Rogue One and even going back further to things like Knights of the Old Republic demonstrate that you don't need a skywalker to have successful Star Wars.

Where are you getting the sense that the GP "wants to stick in the Skywalker"

Except a lot of the stuff that was cut and moved to Starcruiser was the LARPing stuff. And I just don't think the GP really wants to do that. Just add more M&G with the characters from all eras of SW and I think the GP will be fine for the most part.

Not sure where you draw the line between LARPing stuff and just quality theme park content. Things that seem interesting for the land from Starcruiser would include:

- lightsaber training
- bridge ops training
- the performers like Gaya
- droid racing was rumored at one point (did that ever happen?)
- sabaac
- walk around droids

Plus the rumored stuff that was cancelled like the Bantha C-ticket or the flying drones to make it seem like ships were coming in overhead.

I'm less interested in having to do quests in the Disney app and all the data pad stuff that would then have cast members treat you differently in a LARPy way.

I also think just slapping some M&Gs in there won't solve the underlying problems. There needs to be more richness and depth to the land. A little Banta ride would go a long way towards adding something more

 

[mickEblu]

I have no problem with any of that. My point is that Star Wars has always been a far larger universe than the original trilogy + prequels. The myopic view that everything has to run through the Skywalkers is the same one that led us to "somehow Palpatine returned"

I'd love to see everything you mentioned, just saying there's a whole (expanded) universe to draw on.



I'm not suggesting explicit LARPing, just that the living breathing elements of the land that were cut and prioritized for the Galactic Starcruiser would go a long way towards making the land feel more rich and immersive. That means more walk around entertainment, a training academy type experience, more themed show elements you can walk up to and engage with like we see in places like Zootopia, Pandora, even Moana Way of Water - not a forced, app-based RPG game.

I won't presume to arbitrate what the general public wants, but my hunch is most people would enjoy a land that offers more ways to engage with the wider Star Wars universe.

Sounds like we’re talking about semantics at least as it pertains to the stuff we want to see in the land.

 

[MistaDee]

Sounds like we’re talking about semantics at least as it pertains to the stuff we want to see in the land.

To be clear, I'd like to see both the "greatest hits" as well as the expanded universe within Galaxy's Edge. Limiting things to the skywalker saga would be an oversight.

 

[mickEblu]

To be clear, I'd like to see both the "greatest hits" as well as the expanded universe within Galaxy's Edge. Limiting things to the skywalker saga would be an oversight.

I don’t think the land needs to be limited to the Skywalker saga. Definitely think it should lean into the OT though. There is a finite amount of square footage, buildings and attractions. The brick n mortar should lean OT IMO. Anything Expanded universe should probably stick to the entertainment, walk around characters and Easter eggs.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think Galaxy's Edge definitely needs to deliver on some of the "greatest hits" from Star Wars, there's clearly an appetite for that. I just don't think the skywalker saga needs to be the end all be all: Andor, Rogue One and even going back further to things like Knights of the Old Republic demonstrate that you don't need a skywalker to have successful Star Wars.

Where are you getting the sense that the GP "wants to stick in the Skywalker"

I think you're misunderstand what is meant by the "Skywalker Saga".

What era do you think Andor and Rogue One is part of, its still part of the Skywalker Saga. Just because its doesn't have any Skywalker or Palpatine in it doesn't mean its not a part of the Skywalker story. It builds upon the story within the Skywalker Saga. And its that era of SW that most of the GP likes. Its why anything so far that is outside of that has been met with lackluster audience engagement.

Trust me I would like a good story outside of the Skywalker Saga, and I've enjoyed what they've done so far as I even liked Acolyte, but the rest of the GP doesn't seem into it. Maybe if they did a Old Republic story it'll be more accepted.

Not sure where you draw the line between LARPing stuff and just quality theme park content. Things that seem interesting for the land from Starcruiser would include:

- lightsaber training
- bridge ops training
- the performers like Gaya
- droid racing was rumored at one point (did that ever happen?)
- sabaac
- walk around droids

Plus the rumored stuff that was cancelled like the Bantha C-ticket or the flying drones to make it seem like ships were coming in overhead.

I'm less interested in having to do quests in the Disney app and all the data pad stuff that would then have cast members treat you differently in a LARPy way.

I also think just slapping some M&Gs in there won't solve the underlying problems. There needs to be more richness and depth to the land. A little Banta ride would go a long way towards adding something more

The whole idea of Starcruiser is that you are a part of the story, you pick a role and play it. It was literally suppose to be you living out a story as a character in your own Star Wars story, you're LARPing as that character. Now execution wise it didn't really live up to that, but that is what it was suppose to be. You said you wanted the elements back that they took to create Starcruiser, well that is the LARPing stuff.

As for your other stuff you mention here, to me that isn't anything really different than what others have already mentioned.

Basic stuff -

1. Bring the Jedi Academy to GE
2. Bring droids to GE (something they started to do recently)
3. Have more characters (something they started to do recently), I'm sure they could add Gaya if she was popular enough.

Not sure what bridge training would be needed on a planet like Batuu. But I'm sure some experience could be thought up that is equivalent for a planet.

 

[MistaDee]

I don’t think the land needs to be limited to the Skywalker saga. Definitely think it should lean into the OT though. There is a finite amount of square footage, buildings and attractions. The brick n mortar should lean OT IMO. Anything Expanded universe should probably stick to the entertainment, walk around characters and Easter eggs.

Agree. I'm just imagining various walk around characters, pop up shows etc. over years and years can cycle into different eras/stories from other parts of Star Wars that have had success.

I think you're misunderstand what is meant by the "Skywalker Saga".

You sure about that? "The main Star Wars film series is a trilogy of subtrilogies; as it neared completion, Lucasfilm began to refer to it as the "Skywalker Saga" To be clear, the 9 main-line Star Wars films tell the Skywalker Saga, it's not an era it's a set of films.

What era do you think Andor and Rogue One is part of, its still part of the Skywalker Saga.

Well playing by the official website, those are part of the "Reign of the Empire" era. The Saga itself takes place over 3 of the 7 official "eras" that Disney has come up with. An eighth era "Dawn of the Jedi" has been sketched out but doesn't have any content as far as I know.

Just because its doesn't have any Skywalker or Palpatine in it doesn't mean its not a part of the Skywalker story. It builds upon the story within the Skywalker Saga. And its that era of SW that most of the GP likes. Its why anything so far that is outside of that has been met with lackluster audience engagement.

If it's not one of the 9 films then it's not part of the Skywalker Saga - period. Whether or not it's part of the Skywalker "story" overall quickly becomes semantics. I'm saying Disney should use Galaxy's Edge to tell more stories from the other "eras" and preferably not about characters named Skywalker or Palpatine.

Trust me I would like a good story outside of the Skywalker Saga, and I've enjoyed what they've done so far as I even liked Acolyte, but the rest of the GP doesn't seem into it. Maybe if they did a Old Republic story it'll be more accepted.

Andor is definitely the best example of success outside Skywalker Saga. I wanted to like the Acolyte more than I eventually did but love that they took a shot at something in the High Republic. Old Republic would be even better.

The whole idea of Starcruiser is that you are a part of the story, you pick a role and play it. It was literally suppose to be you living out a story as a character in your own Star Wars story, you're LARPing as that character. Now execution wise it didn't really live up to that, but that is what it was suppose to be. You said you wanted the elements back that they took to create Starcruiser, well that is the LARPing stuff.

You really don't need to explain the Starcruiser/LARPing - I get it. I just gave a list of things from the Starcruiser that I found interesting and wouldn't consider LARPing. The idea would be that Disney put a lot of its resources into developing a lot of these "smaller than a full attraction" experiences for Star Wars that could have gone into Galaxy's Edge but were instead used for the Starcruiser. With that now shut, I'd like to see them bring some of those experiences back into the park.

As for your other stuff you mention here, to me that isn't anything really different than what others have already mentioned.

Ok? I'm just sharing my thoughts, if others agree then great

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Moving this here to continue the discussion. We've polluted the other threads long enough with the SW stuff.


Both attractions stories are based in the land. Could they be redone to have the story set elsewhere, of course. But the question is why? Rise is fine as is, and Smugglers is being expanded with more missions soon. So both attractions work within the existing land.

If the idea is that its lacking the "Star Wars" feel because its time locked or whatever that doesn't allow for guest favorite characters and what not, then all it takes is remove the time locked era. More on that below.

None of that requires changing it by splitting the land up in order to do it.


None of this requires splitting up the land. All that can be done within the existing land. Add all characters into the land, setup M&G in the "dead" areas. Re-add back the restaurant into the extension pad that was cut with an expanded cantina.

You want a 3rd attraction, cool lets do it. If you want that into a different "planet" (or moon), cool lets do it. Take the area with Pooh, and make a 3rd attraction based on Endor or some other forest planet (or moon) since its already a forest area. But none of that requires touching the existing land.

I don't really care what they do with it as I'm not likely to hang out there even if they do improve it. I just think it could easily be better than it is simply by removing the timelock, and adding more characters, music and entertainment.

I still think the park was better with Big Thunder Ranch BBQ and a longer river and that Marvel, Star Wars & Avatar should all have been together in a third "fantastic adventures park". But, whatever, nobody asked me!

Thanks for pulling the discussion out of the Campus thread though!

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

The LARPing aspect is something that I think most in the GP aren't interested in.

GP and tourists, no. Local passholders - a small contingent of them would be all over that. I have friends who would live there lol if they'd actually delivered on the reputation and smugglers and missions stuff originally promised. These are ones who still miss the Frontierland LARP test and Adventureland juju quest they did a few years before GE opened.

I'm not that die hard personally. I prefer Avengers Campus where I can lightly LARP without it feeling like a long term D&D campaign. lol Campus is like Ren Faire for me - I can join in the fun with the characters when I see them as I choose but I don't need to build my own backstory as a super hero or sidekick in training.

 

[Disney Irish]

Agree. I'm just imagining various walk around characters, pop up shows etc. over years and years can cycle into different eras/stories from other parts of Star Wars that have had success.


You sure about that? "The main Star Wars film series is a trilogy of subtrilogies; as it neared completion, Lucasfilm began to refer to it as the "Skywalker Saga" To be clear, the 9 main-line Star Wars films tell the Skywalker Saga, it's not an era it's a set of films.


Well playing by the official website, those are part of the "Reign of the Empire" era. The Saga itself takes place over 3 of the 7 official "eras" that Disney has come up with. An eighth era "Dawn of the Jedi" has been sketched out but doesn't have any content as far as I know.



If it's not one of the 9 films then it's not part of the Skywalker Saga - period. Whether or not it's part of the Skywalker "story" overall quickly becomes semantics. I'm saying Disney should use Galaxy's Edge to tell more stories from the other "eras" and preferably not about characters named Skywalker or Palpatine.


Andor is definitely the best example of success outside Skywalker Saga. I wanted to like the Acolyte more than I eventually did but love that they took a shot at something in the High Republic. Old Republic would be even better.

I think you're really playing with semantics here. Yes according to the "official" timeline the eras are separated out. But the stories told whether directly or not between Ep1 and Ep9 are all Skywalker related. For example Andor as you know tells the story of Cassian Andor and what lead him to join the rebellion and the events of Rogue One that destroyed the first Death Star. That is indirectly, and in some cases directly, related to the Skywalker Saga. They all help tell the story within the Skywalker Saga, and I think you know that.

If you don't want a "Skywalker" or "Palpatine" and similar characters in the land, cool. But others do.

You really don't need to explain the Starcruiser/LARPing - I get it. I just gave a list of things from the Starcruiser that I found interesting and wouldn't consider LARPing. The idea would be that Disney put a lot of its resources into developing a lot of these "smaller than a full attraction" experiences for Star Wars that could have gone into Galaxy's Edge but were instead used for the Starcruiser. With that now shut, I'd like to see them bring some of those experiences back into the park.

I think I did because I think you might have not realized what they really took from GE and put into Starcruiser. But we can move on from that.

Ok? I'm just sharing my thoughts, if others agree then great

It wasn't meant to offend, just that your overall ideas are basically the same as others and not really anything to do with the stuff from Starcruiser, in my opinion.

 

[Disney Irish]

GP and tourists, no. Local passholders - a small contingent of them would be all over that. I have friends who would live there lol if they'd actually delivered on the reputation and smugglers and missions stuff originally promised. These are ones who still miss the Frontierland LARP test and Adventureland juju quest they did a few years before GE opened.

I'm not that die hard personally. I prefer Avengers Campus where I can lightly LARP without it feeling like a long term D&D campaign. lol Campus is like Ren Faire for me - I can join in the fun with the characters when I see them as I choose but I don't need to build my own backstory as a super hero or sidekick in training.

I know there are some that do, but I don't think there are/were enough to make it worth wild to Disney to completely change GE to bring that back.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I know there are some that do, but I don't think there are/were enough to make it worth wild to Disney to completely change GE to bring that back.

I don't think it's worth the investment in that either. But I have friends who'd love it. lol

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't think it's worth the investment in that either. But I have friends who'd love it. lol

There is a bar on Hollywood Blvd out in Hollywood they should visit then, if they haven't already.