News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[dweezil78]

If it is common knowledge that SWL will be packed and people should stay away, will that make SWL a ghost town upon opening?

 

[Disney Irish]

People are paying $70 just to have early morning access to existing content.
Disney charged what...upwards of $200 for other limited early access parties?

I don’t think Pixar pier is comparable at all...given the fact it’s mostly a rehash. I also think they err’d on Trying to market it as a full Dca pass.

Sw:ge is multiple new rides, multiple experiences, and it’s Star Wars. I can a ticketed event at >$400-500 and aimed at a few thousand guests. For Cali I can see them offering a paid emh long term too. At wdw, I think they’ll do like they have with avatar. Just keep standing emh hours. But of course still sell a preview party

We're talking about DLR previews only here, not WDW. To be honest WDW is going to be a completely different beast of how they handle previews since those are aimed for a different crowd.

With DLR there is no extra charge for the early morning access. And these previews are aimed at the AP crowd. I still think the fact that Pixar Pier previews haven't sold out to the AP crowd is giving Disney pause. That could in my opinion will cause Disney to lowering the cost of previews back to the $150 like GotG:MB with a max of $300.

We are talking about people who will stand in line for 4+hrs just to say they were there on day one... when they can ride any other time with a fraction of the wait. They will pay... oh yes, the sick will pay...

There is a difference though. Those are DLR AP who are waiting for no extra cost. The question is, will the DLR AP crowd pay extra to avoid those lines early, and at what max price point. I really don't think DLR APs are going to pay $500 price point as you indicate.

But these are all opinions, we'll see how it goes when the time comes.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah but the difference is no one will be able to get near SWL for quite some time after it opens — especially not in a way that allows them to see everything. Pixar Pier will die down quickly relatively speaking and also really doesn’t offer anything new that is worth paying for beyond normal admission. If you arrive for rope drop after the first weekend you probably won’t even have too hard a time getting on Incredicoaster. The fact that it’s a coaster with a loop means it already scares off 2/3 of all guests anyways!!

What is the quite some time? 6 months? Or only a few weeks?

Also we're talking about a time when most APs will likely be blocked out anyways. So the crowding is not going to be as great as you believe.

 

[flynnibus]

With DLR there is no extra charge for the early morning access

For Magic Mornings it's not extra charge... I was referring to the PAID offering WDW has been doing. Touted under 'breakfast', it's really just a scheme to charge for limited access to the park for a short period. The model is not foreign, and that's kind of the point.

And these previews are aimed at the AP crowd. I still think the fact that Pixar Pier previews haven't sold out to the AP crowd is giving Disney pause. That could in my opinion will cause Disney to lowering the cost of previews back to the $150 like GotG:MB with a max of $300.

But Pixar Pier is lame and not even in the same class as SW:GE. Everyone knows they can ride anything in Pixar Pier with minimal waits shortly after opening. It's purely about the perk for being special... and for something few care as much about. Now SW:GE is none of those things

There is a difference though. Those are DLR AP who are waiting for no extra cost. The question is, will the DLR AP crowd pay extra to avoid those lines early, and at what max price point. I really don't think DLR APs are going to pay $500 price point as you indicate.

These are also the DLP APs would pay for an upgraded pass to not be excluded... they pay obscene prices for 'exclusive' merch.. and they dedicate half a day just to say they've done something. And then lets look at those D23 expo passes, etc. The money is out there... and Disney has shown they are willing to ask for it.

 

[SuddenStorm]

If it is common knowledge that SWL will be packed and people should stay away, will that make SWL a ghost town upon opening?

Didn't this happen for Harry Potter at Universal Hollywood? They raised prices, increased blockout days, etc- and the initial opening ended up being slower then expected. It's a very real concern- the same land opens on the East Coast only a little bit later, and WDW is a far more popular vacation destination so most will probably choose to go there instead of flying into Disneyland for Star Wars Land.

My current pass expires in May, and I don't see myself getting another until well after the land opens.

I don't think it will be a ghost town, but I also don't think it will be as bad at the resort as people are expecting, and I expect crowds to go back down to normal after a year of the land being open.

 

[TROR]

Happened at Disneyland Paris' opening day. Everyone was warned to stay away because of the crowds. That mixed with a lot of discontent for Disney being in France led to a pretty lackluster opening.

 

[Disney Irish]

For Magic Mornings it's not extra charge... I was referring to the PAID offering WDW has been doing. Touted under 'breakfast', it's really just a scheme to charge for limited access to the park for a short period. The model is not foreign, and that's kind of the point.

Again DLR doesn't have this, there is no paid early access at all, so it doesn't apply. As I said what they do for WDW previews is going to be a totally different beast. We've been speaking about DLR previews only.

But Pixar Pier is lame and not even in the same class as SW:GE. Everyone knows they can ride anything in Pixar Pier with minimal waits shortly after opening. It's purely about the perk for being special... and for something few care as much about. Now SW:GE is none of those things

These are also the DLP APs would pay for an upgraded pass to not be excluded... they pay obscene prices for 'exclusive' merch.. and they dedicate half a day just to say they've done something. And then lets look at those D23 expo passes, etc. The money is out there... and Disney has shown they are willing to ask for it.

Again we're talking about different things. The previews at DLR is targeted to the AP crowd. Are APs going to pay $500-1000 to see SW:GE first? A couple months ago I would have said yes and anyone that thought otherwise was just uninformed. However now I'm doubting they would. There is only so much that APs are willing to shell out more for an experience they already get for the price of their AP. For example I'm willing to bet that more APs that are currently blocked out for SW:GE opening will be willing to upgrade then to shell out for a preview.

So my opinion is that the price point for the SW:GE at DLR will be between $150-300. Now I wouldn't put it pass Disney to have multiple preview days instead of a single day. This would do the same thing as having a single day at a higher price.

But again as I've said before this is just my opinion and we'll all see in less than 12 months.

 

[flynnibus]

Again DLR doesn't have this, there is no paid early access at all, so it doesn't apply. As I said what they do for WDW previews is going to be a totally different beast. We've been speaking about DLR previews only.

The point (again) is Disney has already crossed this line... It will be on the table. DLR vs WDW doesn't matter here... Disney has already tested the concept and will make a judgement if the locals and tourists will pay. Is the appetite at DLR different? Of course, but just because it hasn't been done YET don't discredit it. You really think Disney wants to stare down those MONTHS of pent up demand like they had for CarsLand and say "nah, we'll just keep giving that away and eventually everyone will get their fill" - Hell no, in the land of upcharges... how can they NOT offer a paid access option?

Again we're talking about different things. The previews at DLR is targeted to the AP crowd

It's not really different... and why I pointed at D23 as another example of what these people are willing to do and pay. The DLR AP base is even more rabid than the WDW scene. They are the ones who spend all day just to be at a movie premier they can pay $10 to go see at their connivence, etc. That pay hundreds to goto D23 and hundreds more to bypass lines. That wait STUPID crazy lines at places like ComicCon, etc.

So my opinion is that the price point for the SW:GE at DLR will be between $150-300. Now I wouldn't put it pass Disney to have multiple preview days instead of a single day. This would do the same thing as having a single day at a higher price.

But again as I've said before this is just my opinion and we'll all see in less than 12 months.

My wager - you see a super high priced 'exclusive' type of event with big dollars at opening (over $300)... and a recurring paid limited access ticketed event at a price point that is more like $100-150 for the first year aimed at the regular AP and 'skip the lines' tourist audiences.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Skip the lines? They can be better than the rides!

 

[Disney Irish]

The point (again) is Disney has already crossed this line... It will be on the table. DLR vs WDW doesn't matter here... Disney has already tested the concept and will make a judgement if the locals and tourists will pay. Is the appetite at DLR different? Of course, but just because it hasn't been done YET don't discredit it. You really think Disney wants to stare down those MONTHS of pent up demand like they had for CarsLand and say "nah, we'll just keep giving that away and eventually everyone will get their fill" - Hell no, in the land of upcharges... how can they NOT offer a paid access option?



It's not really different... and why I pointed at D23 as another example of what these people are willing to do and pay. The DLR AP base is even more rabid than the WDW scene. They are the ones who spend all day just to be at a movie premier they can pay $10 to go see at their connivence, etc. That pay hundreds to goto D23 and hundreds more to bypass lines. That wait STUPID crazy lines at places like ComicCon, etc.



My wager - you see a super high priced 'exclusive' type of event with big dollars at opening (over $300)... and a recurring paid limited access ticketed event at a price point that is more like $100-150 for the first year aimed at the regular AP and 'skip the lines' tourist audiences.

WDW vs DLR does matter because it targets different audiences. For example there was no "paid" preview for Pandora or for Toy Story Land, why not again different audiences. So really I think WDW SW:GE will likely not have a "paid" preview, but rather just the normal AP preview like they've had previously.

D23 and Comic-Con are completely different things than the SW:GE previews. That is getting exclusive access to something that others aren't getting. Its not like D23 and Comic-Con are offered a week after the "exclusive" access like SW:GE will be. So then really we are talking about just saying "I was there first". Is a DLR AP going to be willing to spend "big dollars (over $300)" for just saying "I was there first"? Again months ago I would have said yes, now I don't know.

Also just because Disney has crossed the line already, doesn't mean they will rush to cross another. Otherwise you're saying they'll just continue to increase the pricing of these previews with no upper limit. The market will not be able to bear that. Pricing of upcharge events is very difficult. You have to find the "sweet spot" of what people are willing to pay. I think they found it with the $300 for Pixar Pier. You may think its just because of the "crap" that is Pixar Pier, I think its AP are only willing to pay a certain amount for a preview.

In the end we'll see how to turns out.

 

[flynnibus]

D23 and Comic-Con are completely different things than the SW:GE previews. That is getting exclusive access to something that others aren't getting. Its not like D23 and Comic-Con are offered a week after the "exclusive" access like SW:GE will be

You are aware that they sell different tiered passes to these events... where the single largest driver of 'value' is the garunteed access and front of the line vs the general passes right?

Sounding familiar at all....????

 

[Disney Irish]

You are aware that they sell different tiered passes to these events... where the single largest driver of 'value' is the garunteed access and front of the line vs the general passes right?

Sounding familiar at all....????

Yes I'm aware, but again different things because its getting exclusive access to a one time event. Its apples and oranges.

 

[flynnibus]

Yes I'm aware, but again different things because its getting exclusive access to a one time event. Its apples and oranges.

And waiting in line for 4-6hrs to ride something you can ride anytime you want in the future is not rationalizing something like opening day or special event as a 'one time' event how??

If DLR AP holders actually were as a thrifty as you think they are... Disney would be in a world of hurt. Instead, it's a target rich environment, held back only by the need to ease people into it.

 

[Disney Irish]

And waiting in line for 4-6hrs to ride something you can ride anytime you want in the future is not rationalizing something like opening day or special event as a 'one time' event how??

One is paying for the ability to see something that no one else is going to see, unless someone sneaks a camera in and records it. The other is you're just standing in line to experience it with the rest of the public, no extra cost. If you can't see the difference than I don't know what to say.

Also some of us are thinking its not going to be as crazy as some think.

If DLR AP holders actually were as a thrifty as you think they are... Disney would be in a world of hurt. Instead, it's a target rich environment, held back only by the need to ease people into it.

I never said thrifty, what I said was there is an upper limit to what AP will pay for the previews. And I think Disney found it.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree and see how it plays out.

 

[mickEblu]

So what would DLR APs here pay for SWL previews? Max Id pay is probably $200 because everything I do is x2 (wife) of course. I would only do it if it was limited to the point where attraction lines were no more than an hour long and you could explore the land in a pleasant environment.

With that said, I’m not 100% sure I’d even want to spend that when I have an AP. The problem is avoiding spoilers when you spend so much time on sites like this.

 

[Disney Irish]

So what would DLR APs here pay for SWL previews? Max Id pay is probably $200 because everything I do is x2 (wife) of course. I would only do it if it was limited to the point where attraction lines were no more than an hour long and you could explore the land in a pleasant environment.

Yep, which is what I hope Disney realized when they tested the Pixar Pier preview. I hope they saw that APs aren't going to spend more than, like you said, $200-300 for SW:GE preview.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

That said, the concept and user interface behind the My Disney Experience approach to vacation planning is already creeping into many of the other resorts.

To your point...

Bus Times at Walt Disney World Resort Now Available in Newly Redesigned My Disney Experience App

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

So what would DLR APs here pay for SWL previews? Max Id pay is probably $200 because everything I do is x2 (wife) of course. I would only do it if it was limited to the point where attraction lines were no more than an hour long and you could explore the land in a pleasant environment.

With that said, I’m not 100% sure I’d even want to spend that when I have an AP. The problem is avoiding spoilers when you spend so much time on sites like this.

Nada for me. I have zero interest in paying for something I can get for free if I simply wait.

 

[D.Silentu]

I almost feel bad for admitting it, but I might attend if the price isn't beyond absurd. What 'beyond absurd' actually translates to I'll have to judge at the time. Having a Star Wars land is a bit of childhood wish fulfillment for me and while I've never had any interest in these events before, this seems like it may actually be worth my while, seeing as I'll probably only ever attend one. I can't think of any other impending attraction premier that catches my interest, despite Disneyland's promise of significant investment in the park. Whatever happened to that?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I almost feel bad for admitting it, but I might attend if the price isn't beyond absurd. What 'beyond absurd' actually translates to I'll have to judge at the time. Having a Star Wars land is a bit of childhood wish fulfillment for me and while I've never had any interest in these events before, this seems like it may actually be worth my while, seeing as I'll probably only ever attend one. I can't think of any other impending attraction premier that catches my interest, despite Disneyland's promise of significant investment in the park. Whatever happened to that?

I would consider paying extra if it could be guaranteed a VIP experience. No lines, free food, celebrities, and copious alcohol.