News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

dweezil78

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Yeah I see this as Disney killing Star Wars. While there are a lot of fans out there, there's already been a HUGE drop from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedi. $2 billion plus vs $1.3 billion. If Disney just throws movies out there, it's possible fatigue will set in sooner than later.

Last Jedi was literally the second film in a new trilogy and you're already blaming this on fatigue? The interest in Force Awakens was off the chart insane so people came out in droves for it. The first movie is almost always going to do better with a huge event movie like that. Same thing happened with the prequels. Phantom Menace pulled in $474 million (US) / $1 Billion (Global) compared to $310 million (US) / $649 million (Global) with Attack of the Clones. It's not fatigue, it's just a natural weeding out of people who aren't interested in going along for the ride.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Fatigue of X-type movies is a myth.
  • Fatigue of Superhero Movies: Unless it's just bad (Fant4stic Four), they make over $700 million each, often cracking the billion dollar mark.
  • Fatigue of Sequels: Thor 3 - $800M; Despicable Me 3 - $1B; Guardians 2 - $830M; Fate of the Furious - $1.2B;
  • Fatigue of Live Action Remakes: BatB - $1.3B; Jungle Book - $967M
  • Fatigue of Star Wars: past 3 were each over $1B.

If they're not bad, they won't be fatiguing.
You can’t argue numbers!!
 

britain

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I get what you're saying, but for me it would be like having a show set in Metropolis that doesn't involve Superman. Surely there are "other" things and people that a story could be made from, but it would take a lot to get me interested.

I actually think WB is working on just such a series. Go figure.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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It's probably just more on a personal level.

As a filmmaker, its disheartening to see companies continue to want to play in the same sandbox over and over. Variety IS the spice of life after all.

What has saved the MCU franchise is making those movies in different genres: heist; buddy comedy; fate of the world; spy v. spy; space opera; etc...

I do see an issue with the SW franchise in that it's mostly pegged into the space opera genre. The political intrigue genre introduced in the prequels wasn't very... helpful. It was helpful that Rogue One was a different type of SW movies and hopefully, so will Solo be.
 

dweezil78

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Yeah yeah yeah I gotcha.

I'm just saying (again), it will take a LOT to get me interested in a SW film that has zero to do with anything relating to the Skywalker saga.

I getcha... I was a huge fan of Looper so I'm pretty pumped to see what Rian can do when not stuck with old storylines and characters he inherited. As for the TV series, that'll probably be a crapshoot and can go either way. Like others, I have a bad feeling about Solo but perhaps everyone's low expectations will make it not so bad.

I personally am a big fan of the Star Wars aesthetic and blend of adventure/sci-fi/humor (when they get it right). I love the sound design, the music, the locations, etc. Even though Rogue One was peripherally connected to the Skywalker saga, it gave us a sneak peek at what a Star Wars movie not about Skywalkers and Jedis could be and I thought it was great and still felt like Star Wars all the same.
 

TROR

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Not really... When you consider we live in an era where streaming TV series have become the predominant source of entertainment for many and people are happily binging 10+ hours of a season over a weekend and are chomping at the bit to get the next season. In comparison, once a year we're getting about 2.5 hrs of Star Wars. As a Star Wars fan, I'd totally be ok with more content to consume from that universe, especially if it's a fresh story not focused on the Skywalker saga.
Tbh I only care about the Skywalker saga. With the exception of the Old Republic and the formation of the Jedi and Sith, no other story besides the one of the Skywalkers is going to have such a large impact on the galaxy. Rogue One was my first introduction to a non-Skywalker story and it was miserable (yes, even the third act) to me so with that as my first impression and Solo looking as bad as it does, I have no interest in non-Skywalker stories.

I will give the benefit of the doubt to Johnson's trilogy since he's such a brilliant filmmaker, though. If he can get other great directors, namely Alex Garland and Denis Villeneuve, I'll be more on board as long as the story is intriguing. But the GOT guys are hacks and I have no interest in anything they do.

Honestly, though, the best part about Star Wars is the hype. The Force Awakens opening night was so much fun because we hadn't seen a Star Wars movie for 10.5 years. Rogue One opening weekend, just like the movie, was really dull because we just got new Star Wars already and this one had nothing truly new to offer. The Last Jedi was exciting because we hadn't gotten a good Star Wars movie since 2015 and nobody had seen Luke Skywalker do anything for over 30 years. With all the negative press surrounding Solo (firing directors, reshooting 90% of the film, bad trailer, plagiarized posters) and the fact it comes out just 6 months after an already divisive film, I'm not seeing a lot of hype for this movie. Episode IX should have a lot of excitement surrounding it as it'll be the conclusion to this nine part epic, but it's too far out to really say.

After IX, though, what's going to happen? We'll be getting hours of Star Wars on television followed by a new Star Wars movie about events, characters, and time periods that are the equivalent of a Wookieepedia article every year. I'll be able to make this argument better after Solo comes out, but TFA had a $936m domestic/2B WW box office. The box office for Rogue One dropped significantly with Rogue One with $532m domestic/1B WW box office. For The Last Jedi, the box office rose back up (although not to TFA numbers) to $619m domestic/1.3B WW. Point being with this, even with Star Wars in the title, people are less interested in content outside of the Skywalker Saga. That's not to say $1B WW isn't an absolute feat or that Rogue One is a failure, but as time goes on and people are getting these pointless stories on TV and in the movies, the box office will definitely decrease with them as they already have less interest than the saga films.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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What has saved the MCU franchise is making those movies in different genres: heist; buddy comedy; fate of the world; spy v. spy; space opera; etc...

I do see an issue with the SW franchise in that it's mostly pegged into the space opera genre. The political intrigue genre introduced in the prequels wasn't very... helpful. It was helpful that Rogue One was a different type of SW movies and hopefully, so will Solo be.
I think what the MCU did well was not just using different genres, but creating separate unique stories/worlds for each character and THEN bringing them together for a few outings/crossovers. Something the DCEU still can't quite figure out (though I'm a rare case of person who actually enjoyed BVS and JL)

With SW, you have basically all the same players in virtually every film. They become all you invest in. I wasn't watching Iron Man 2 wondering what was going on with Thor at the time. That works for me.

When SW goes post-Skywalker, I bet you that they'll still be throwing in nods and easter egg references to them to make fans feel more comfortable. .
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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I getcha... I was a huge fan of Looper so I'm pretty pumped to see what Rian can do when not stuck with old storylines and characters he inherited. As for the TV series, that'll probably be a crapshoot and can go either way. Like others, I have a bad feeling about Solo but perhaps everyone's low expectations will make it not so bad.

I personally am a big fan of the Star Wars aesthetic and blend of adventure/sci-fi/humor (when they get it right). I love the sound design, the music, the locations, etc. Even though Rogue One was peripherally connected to the Skywalker saga, it gave us a sneak peek at what a Star Wars movie not about Skywalkers and Jedis could be and I thought it was great and still felt like Star Wars all the same.
Agree on RJ. I've loved him as a filmmaker since Brick.

RO for me was a decent stand-alone film (Vader and Leia cameos aside) but when you really plug it into the timeline, it also becomes one of the most unnecessary movies in the canon.
 

cheezbat

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Last Jedi was literally the second film in a new trilogy and you're already blaming this on fatigue? The interest in Force Awakens was off the chart insane so people came out in droves for it. The first movie is almost always going to do better with a huge event movie like that. Same thing happened with the prequels. Phantom Menace pulled in $474 million (US) / $1 Billion (Global) compared to $310 million (US) / $649 million (Global) with Attack of the Clones. It's not fatigue, it's just a natural weeding out of people who aren't interested in going along for the ride.
Got quite a bit of negative feedback from the fan base. I know a number of serious Star Wars fanboys who have basically boycotted the series now because of this film. Personally, I've never been a big Star Wars fan. I mean it's alright, but I've never been super into it like so many people out there. Of the three newer movies already released, I liked Rogue One the best...but of course the 'trilogy' movies are the moneymakers. You may not think much of the numbers, and while $1.3 billion dollars is ridiculous money, I've heard that Disney expected more out of that one. Episode 9 might do just fine, but Solo looks like absolute garbage, and I'm hearing more and more negativity towards the franchise from the fan base than I did even way back when episodes 1-3 came out.fatigue may not be a thing YET, but let's see where the franchise is in ten years.
 

Phroobar

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Agree on RJ. I've loved him as a filmmaker since Brick.

RO for me was a decent stand-alone film (Vader and Leia cameos aside) but when you really plug it into the timeline, it also becomes one of the most unnecessary movies in the canon.
RO wasn't necessary but it was fun example of showing us something that wasn't Jedi/Sith/Skywalker stuff. I actually prefer the anthology movies over the trilogy stuff. I like to see stuff going on elsewhere. Give me something with Thrawn or Mara Jade. The Old Republic timeline could be lots of fun. Star Wars like Marvel has lots of story lines that would make great movies.
 

dweezil78

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Got quite a bit of negative feedback from the fan base. I know a number of serious Star Wars fanboys who have basically boycotted the series now because of this film. Personally, I've never been a big Star Wars fan. I mean it's alright, but I've never been super into it like so many people out there. Of the three newer movies already released, I liked Rogue One the best...but of course the 'trilogy' movies are the moneymakers. You may not think much of the numbers, and while $1.3 billion dollars is ridiculous money, I've heard that Disney expected more out of that one. Episode 9 might do just fine, but Solo looks like absolute garbage, and I'm hearing more and more negativity towards the franchise from the fan base than I did even way back when episodes 1-3 came out.fatigue may not be a thing YET, but let's see where the franchise is in ten years.

Oh c'mon, no one other than a handful of uber nerds are actually going to boycott Star Wars over Last Jedi anger. I am among those who did not love the movie, but that's not going to keep me from going to see the next one. Star Wars scratches a certain itch that not many other franchises do and because of that people will continue coming out to see the movies, watch the shows, and ride the rides. Some will outperform, some will underperform, it's the nature of the business. When the profits start dying off, it'll take a breather and go dark until it's ready to come back out of its hole again.
 

TROR

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I'm shocked by the amount of people that say Rogue One is their favorite of the new three. In regards to theatrically released Star Wars films it's only beaten out by The Clone Wars and Attack of the Clones for being the worst one imo. While the film has wonderful cinematography and beautiful art direction, the entire 2/3rds of the movie drag as you're stuck with characters you feel nothing for and the third act of the movie is completely pointless. Then you get the completely out of place and tone-deaf Vader scene as well as the awful CGI Leia at the end to make things worse.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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RO wasn't necessary but it was fun example of showing us something that wasn't Jedi/Sith/Skywalker stuff. I actually prefer the anthology movies over the trilogy stuff. I like to see stuff going on elsewhere. Give me something with Thrawn or Mara Jade. The Old Republic timeline could be lots of fun. Star Wars like Marvel has lots of story lines that would make great movies.
Including Vader and Leia do kind of make it Skywalker-stuff though :)

I am curious if the new post-Skywalker stuff will include Jedi/First Order/Republic/Force etc. Because if not, what distinguishes something as a "Star Wars" film and not just some random sci-fi?
 

TROR

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Including Vader and Leia do kind of make it Skywalker-stuff though :)

I am curious if the new post-Skywalker stuff will include Jedi/First Order/Republic/Force etc. Because if not, what distinguishes something as a "Star Wars" film and not just some random sci-fi?
Astromeches, Twi'leks, and the title card.
 

Phroobar

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Including Vader and Leia do kind of make it Skywalker-stuff though :)

I am curious if the new post-Skywalker stuff will include Jedi/First Order/Republic/Force etc. Because if not, what distinguishes something as a "Star Wars" film and not just some random sci-fi?
I think you would still have the Force and some fights between good and bad guys. Lots of the EU had stories that didn't have anything to do with Skywalkers.
 

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