Curious Constance
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Old Mouseketeer
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I think Disney has been trying to find a balance that works. The temptation, of course, is money. Those alcohol carts come out at night at World Showcase for that very reason. When they debuted Rainbow Rave--I mean Glowfest--at DCA they got a crash course in the problems with an outdoor dance party with alcohol sales. Even as they tried to fine-tune the concept with Electronica and Mad-T, there were still problems. I suspect that's why they didn't replace Mad-T. It's a simple equation: Alcohol (and to a lesser degree food and merch) revenues minus performer/stage tech/crowd control CM costs against reputational impact and logistical difficulties. TDA had to ask themselves if it was worth it. Disney doesn't walk away from money on the table, but even their monumental avarice has limits.
All of what you said is true, but I think it's also true that there are steps that Disney has taken for a more layered approach. It's not about hard boundaries--it's more like shaping behavior by delineating availability, cost, and boundaries, however permeable. Back in the old days at DL you had to take the monorail or the Hotel Tram to get a drink at the DL Hotel. Now you have to cross over to DCA or walk to Downtown Disney. I think alcohol inside DL is inevitable--I'm just not sure what form it will take.
Old Mouseketeer
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Yes and no. They still have the Disney Pictures and Animation labels that are G and PG. Other brands handle the more mature content. I don't think they necessarily "threw the wholesome thing out the window". Even though they are all Disney Parks, I think there's room for some variation or gradation. Of course, I don't think DL and MK necessarily needed to do away with Ticket Books when they opened Epcot.
Ismael Flores
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same here, at least sell wine. Most people wont get drunk from wine.
Old Mouseketeer
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New SW:GE security.
Well, there have been rumors that custodial will be costumed in SWGE. A friend who is a CM heard that even security might be costumed like the old days of the US Marshall in Frontierland and the Keystone Cop on Main St. There was a rumor that managers might have to be costumed. At Launch Bay even CMs in neutral or Tomorrowland costumes are banned from coming onstage. I believe custodial can come it. But a friend who works as a character host said that their lead can go out into Tomorrowland to handle any character-related issues. But CMs in Tomorrowland costume can't enter Launch Bay. Disney Parks yields to Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios on keeping the integrity of their brands. It will be interesting to see.
dweezil78
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All good points. With obnoxious rave style parties, they were really just asking for problems. Thankfully (I'd at least hope) we'd never see such an event pop at at Disneyland park. Truthfully, I really wonder if the hold out is more due to Club 33. If you introduce a nice lounge akin to Carthay at DCA, then you're instantly devaluing Club 33 as it would no longer be the only place within DL to enjoy a drink.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Pathetic drunk bozos... I'm not sure I understand. You mean people actually get drunk at DCA and then go into DL acting like pathetic bozos? What exactly do they do?
Rich T
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Stand on the railing in the ToT Boiler Room. And fall.
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Rich T
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No booze in Disneyland. That's my wish. "Wholesome" guest behavior is not a dead pipe dream. Never surrender!
Now I'm going to get silly but sincere: Ahem. Just because the Alice caterpillar is smoking opium does not mean there should be a Bong Shop in Fantasyland. Regarding a SW Cantina... well, we know there are murders happening there all the time in the SW universe. Most likely drug dealing and sex solicitation, too. Just because fictional characters behave a certain way in a fantasy locale doesn't mean guests should be mimicking that behavior in the name of "Immersion." It's Disneyland. When Tinkerbell flies off the Matterhorn to set off the night's fireworks, it's a celebration of the childlike sense of wonder in all of us. It's not Vegas. Can't this one tiny place on the planet remain an alcohol-free zone? Really, is that too much to ask?
Now I'm going to get silly but sincere: Ahem. Just because the Alice caterpillar is smoking opium does not mean there should be a Bong Shop in Fantasyland. Regarding a SW Cantina... well, we know there are murders happening there all the time in the SW universe. Most likely drug dealing and sex solicitation, too. Just because fictional characters behave a certain way in a fantasy locale doesn't mean guests should be mimicking that behavior in the name of "Immersion." It's Disneyland. When Tinkerbell flies off the Matterhorn to set off the night's fireworks, it's a celebration of the childlike sense of wonder in all of us. It's not Vegas. Can't this one tiny place on the planet remain an alcohol-free zone? Really, is that too much to ask?
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mickEblu
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I meant wholesome as in “no alcohol” at DL. Not sure why you took that as some commentary about the company as a whole. My entire post was about DLR and alcohol.
Phroobar
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<cough>Haunted Mansion<cough>
George Lucas on a Bench
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What? No...
Old Mouseketeer
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And I was comparing and contrasting the context of "wholesome" with the company as a whole. Walt's requirement of no alcohol is directly related to the overall historic Disney image and brand reputation.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Yet, the Walt Disney Company has no issue selling Walt's favorite drink (they promote it as such) at the bar across from DL, an alcoholic's drink if I ever had one.
Phroobar
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You know we did the whole alcohol thing in this thread.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/walt-forbid-alcohol-at-disneyland-is-it-true.923500/
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/walt-forbid-alcohol-at-disneyland-is-it-true.923500/
George Lucas on a Bench
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The SW thread is the anything goes thread.
nevol
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My friends and I stopped at Mad T party during the 60th and then went back to disneyland for Fantasmic! They were black out. We are 28. I barely drink. They can handle their liquor. Nobody meant to get that drunk. The bartender at Mad T Party poured really heavy for them. They each had one drink and then were belligerent walking to Fantasmic!
I think Disneyland could afford to have beer and wine at table service restaurants, and that it would be really nice in Blue Bayou, for instance. Hard alcohol, not necessary. Wine is expensive and filling, so nobody is going to go drink more than a bottle. Beer too can be priced accordingly so nobody is having more than 3. But the fact that club 33 has had alcohol forever, while Disneyland didn't have it, is kind of a classist criticism of Walt's audience of the masses. He obviously wanted the place to be clean, fun, safe, and a place where families would go spend time together, but the subtext of that is that his audiences can't handle themselves while the elite at club 33 can. Now that DCA serves, it really is inevitable that one or more table service restaurants add beer and wine to the menu. Star Wars Cantina (would likely have cocktails because those can be themed) and Blue Bayou. Do I think churro carts ought to be replaced with vendors selling mixed drinks like at Mad T Party? Please no.
I think Disneyland could afford to have beer and wine at table service restaurants, and that it would be really nice in Blue Bayou, for instance. Hard alcohol, not necessary. Wine is expensive and filling, so nobody is going to go drink more than a bottle. Beer too can be priced accordingly so nobody is having more than 3. But the fact that club 33 has had alcohol forever, while Disneyland didn't have it, is kind of a classist criticism of Walt's audience of the masses. He obviously wanted the place to be clean, fun, safe, and a place where families would go spend time together, but the subtext of that is that his audiences can't handle themselves while the elite at club 33 can. Now that DCA serves, it really is inevitable that one or more table service restaurants add beer and wine to the menu. Star Wars Cantina (would likely have cocktails because those can be themed) and Blue Bayou. Do I think churro carts ought to be replaced with vendors selling mixed drinks like at Mad T Party? Please no.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Sounds amazing. I miss Mad T Party's $11 Mad Long Island Ice Teas.
TP2000
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I'm a huge Disneyland fan and love the history of the place. That said, I think it's time to end Disneyland's Prohibition. But carefully.
I can think of three existing restaurants where a curated short list of beer and wine should be served with lunch and dinner, and they could start this summer;
The Blue Bayou
Cafe Orleans
Carnation Cafe
There would be no to-go cups, the drinks would be served in glassware to be consumed at the table with a meal.
Then next summer when Star Wars Land opens, you can add the Cantina or whatever waitress-service restaurant they have there to the alcohol service list.
If all that goes well, in 2020 you could add the French Market and the Plaza Inn to the wine/beer offering group. But that would require patrons to consume their drinks in those restaurants only. And again, no to-go cups. At the same time, you could add a couple of signature cocktails to the Blue Bayou menu, specifically a real Mint Julep made with bourbon, and some over-flavored vodka offering for the wimps at the table.
Done and done by 2020. Drinks are served, Disneyland survives, TDA makes more money, and the place hasn't devolved into the cheap seats at a Raiders game.
I can think of three existing restaurants where a curated short list of beer and wine should be served with lunch and dinner, and they could start this summer;
The Blue Bayou
Cafe Orleans
Carnation Cafe
There would be no to-go cups, the drinks would be served in glassware to be consumed at the table with a meal.
Then next summer when Star Wars Land opens, you can add the Cantina or whatever waitress-service restaurant they have there to the alcohol service list.
If all that goes well, in 2020 you could add the French Market and the Plaza Inn to the wine/beer offering group. But that would require patrons to consume their drinks in those restaurants only. And again, no to-go cups. At the same time, you could add a couple of signature cocktails to the Blue Bayou menu, specifically a real Mint Julep made with bourbon, and some over-flavored vodka offering for the wimps at the table.
Done and done by 2020. Drinks are served, Disneyland survives, TDA makes more money, and the place hasn't devolved into the cheap seats at a Raiders game.