TeddyinMO
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Star Wars Galaxy's Edge Creatives Panel
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The removal of the original and prequel trilogy heroes (minus a Wookie) because those movies were viewed as fundamentally flawed.
Heppenheimer
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The only "fundamental flaw" of those films in Disney's eyes is probably that there's a limited amount of money to be made cross-promoting films that are 40+ years old.
Just understand there's a difference in "Disney" and "Lucasfilm Story Group" of 2014-2018 which has now largely been dismantled.
ImperfectPixie
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Thank heavens for small favors.
That fascism, enourmous wealth gaps, animal cruelty, and child labor aren't as bad as one would think. Presenting them in a negative light is an extreme left wing liberal agenda.
Ravenclaw78
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From the dozens of threads about Galaxy's Edge where the same group of people keep posting the same complaints (as if saying it enough times will convince anyone who doesn't already agree that they're valid) about a "feminist agenda" in the Sequel trilogy, Disney's handling of diversity in the IP in general, and Kathleen Kennedy's gender, I'd say that there is a group of so-called "fans" who are A) unable to separate the land itself from the content of the films in the way that you have been able to, and B) need to check their own agenda at the door.
EricsBiscuit
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So because he’s not an extremist, he doesn’t support diversity?
Ravenclaw78
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He is an extremist, just on the other side.
TalkingHead
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It’s interesting how people will say things like “I reject your narrative” without acknowledging that they have a biased narrative of their own that they’re advancing.
tirian
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Edit: Bottom line, regardless of political stances, if the SWGE development really was stunted because the story exec was more interested in her personal agenda rather than SW, she should be replaced. But that doesn’t excuse Bob or Kathleen from sleeping on the billion-dollar job.
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I wasn’t going to touch this with a ten-foot pole, but if I may, I’d like to push past the squabbling and point out one single reason all this matters, especially since Kerrison and Beck (K&B) have indeed been slowly removed from power at Lucasfilm.
SWGE has lots of issues that aren’t related to SJWs. But look at the big picture — the picture of corporate synergy — and you’ll see why the Lucasfilm story issues do affect SWGE.
Point 1.
If K&B really did despise SW but saw the IP as an opportunity for a personal political agenda, as @WDW Pro claims, a traditional “Hollywood lib” like Kennedy would be concerned about the extremism. This has become an industry problem for many Hollywood elites such as Jerry Seinfeld, who refuses to do standup at American universities, and Sarah Silverman, who’s having her own problems. Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion about those two comedians, the point is that the Offense Culture attached to extremists is causing problems in the entertainment industry. Nobody is safe from it — political affiliations are meaningless because the far left and far right both demand complete agreement about everything, “or else.” Old tweets are unearthed, old comedic bits are found, and people are lynched.
It’s easy for the extreme left and right to point fingers and holler at each other, but the reality is that they’re equally closed-minded, selfish, and demanding.
That’s why they’re labeled “far ——-“; they don’t represent the majority of humanity, even though they are very loud online.
Point 2.
NOW, if this was really going on, it would trickle over to SWGE if the heads of story decided their SW is the only one to be represented, and not anything from the OT that they personally despise. And that decision defies the fact that the new movies make a lot of money, but are not universally beloved, which leads to point #3.
Point 3.
It’s a fact that the new movies aren’t as popular as the old ones. The toys don’t sell as well and the majority of characters aren’t as beloved. Media and marketing experts have tracked this since the Force Awakens toys sat on toy shelves while the OT merch was still popular.
But that’s not necessarily because of neck beards and SJWs...
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tirian
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...One could argue the new movie simply doesn’t have as many beloved characters to merchandise in the first place. BB-8 was the only runaway success, and the Porgs have been forced as toys despite barely appearing in the movies.
R2-D2, C3PO, Ewoks, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca, et. al. enjoy decades of recognition, popularity, and places in people’s hearts. Of course their merch is going to continue flying off shelves.
Point 4.
But somebody decided the obvious popularity and nostalgia of the OT be damned; SWGE would only feature content from the new movies.
And that’s the million-dollar mistake. Maybe it trickled down from K&B’s story decisions at Lucasfilm. That’s what @WDW Pro claims, and he’s merely repeating the industry rumor mill/buzz.
That doesn’t mean the decision was a battle between SJWs and basement-dwelling neckbeards. It does mean somebody was disconnected from reality and pushed a personal decision anyway.
Of course, that decision could be as simple as saying, “Iger only wants his content represented.” But the reality is, he didn’t buy Lucasfilm to systematically replace its valuable IP with new creations. That’s a crazy conspiracy theory. Otherwise, Disney could’ve made its own movies in the first place.
Kathleen Kennedy and her crew are now in full CYA mode, and we may never know who was really making the decisions.
R2-D2, C3PO, Ewoks, Darth Vader, Han Solo, Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca, et. al. enjoy decades of recognition, popularity, and places in people’s hearts. Of course their merch is going to continue flying off shelves.
Point 4.
But somebody decided the obvious popularity and nostalgia of the OT be damned; SWGE would only feature content from the new movies.
And that’s the million-dollar mistake. Maybe it trickled down from K&B’s story decisions at Lucasfilm. That’s what @WDW Pro claims, and he’s merely repeating the industry rumor mill/buzz.
That doesn’t mean the decision was a battle between SJWs and basement-dwelling neckbeards. It does mean somebody was disconnected from reality and pushed a personal decision anyway.
Of course, that decision could be as simple as saying, “Iger only wants his content represented.” But the reality is, he didn’t buy Lucasfilm to systematically replace its valuable IP with new creations. That’s a crazy conspiracy theory. Otherwise, Disney could’ve made its own movies in the first place.
Kathleen Kennedy and her crew are now in full CYA mode, and we may never know who was really making the decisions.
The_Jobu
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You should read the excerpts from his memoirs. He was apparently "surprised" that George was upset when he told him they were tossing his sequel outlines and going their own way.
The_Jobu
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Are you arguing that he is or isn't an extremist? I'm not sure what's going on anymore.
The_Jobu
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I am genuinely confused. You agree with the OP that the sequels have nowhere near the emotional (or cultural) connections that the originals have? Why do you disagree when he says the lack of OT content is part of the reason for SWL's slow start?
Joesixtoe
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TLJ was a high grossing film because of all the narratives building up to it.. everyone had to know what happened to Rey, Luke and Snoke. To say we are blind to the greatness of it is.. inaccurate. Many upon many people dislike it.. TFA I can agree with u because many liked it and only really stopped liking it after TLJ.
Stripes
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According to her LinkedIn, she’s only worked at WDI since April 2018. Is that accurate?
RobWDW1971
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And out of all of those iconic Star Wars characters, only Chewie is in the billion dollars Star Wars land - hard to believe, isn't it?
And even seeing him living alone in the bombed out, deserted Battu with just Hondo and Rey makes me sad for him - what did you do to deserve this, Chewie?!
#freechewie
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erasure fan1
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But without the starwars name, a Disney sci-fi series would immediately be labeled a star wars rip off and fail hard. I have no idea if Iger was to blame for the slight on the OT and prequels. But it's not out of the relm of possibilities that Disney would want a focus on "their" star wars.