LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I think it would be more accurate to say that people who actually experienced this all seem to have really enjoyed it.
I think it would be more accurate to say that people who actually experienced this all seem to have really enjoyed it.
Congratulations, you've discovered that the dining hall is empty when it's not one of the seating times.
I guess you've never been to the lounge of a cruise ship at 3 PM.
Looks like a Vegas Buffet.Really? This is your definition of "tremendous"?
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The dinning hall is empty alright. For GOOD.Congratulations, you've discovered that the dining hall is empty when it's not one of the seating times.
I guess you've never been to the lounge of a cruise ship at 3 PM.
Because it is too smart of an idea for Disney.Ugh this should have been dining in Jabbas palace with an animatronic Jabba the Hut. How is that not a winner?
You don't know that. They have said something will be done next. Disney does not announce things until they are ready. If there is work going on there (as the public work order filing suggests), then they most likely have already gone back to that drawing board. That and other grapevine indicators suggests various levels of activity under way. My guess is it will probably be sometime in 2024 before the public gets to find out what they have chosen as a new direction.They flat out gave up instead of back to drawing boards...
The point im trying to make is this. If the Starcruiser was a “success” by peoples admission again we will take them at their word that means Disney created a product that people liked yet it still was not worthy of them keeping it… ive suggested lowering the price and market more been told that probably will not work because of internal margins. So what can Disney do better if they are not willing to lower the price point on an already “successful” innovative idea? Cheapen said product/experience? I am genuinely confused to what people who are defending this see as an alternativeYou don't know that. They have said something will be done next. Disney does not announce things until they are ready. If there is work going on there (as the public work order filing suggests), then they most likely have already gone back to that drawing board. That and other grapevine indicators suggests various levels of activity under way. My guess is it will probably be sometime in 2024 before the public gets to find out what they have chosen as a new direction.
As for the personal shots against me as newer to posting on these boards, that's all fine. But I have been in business longer than most on these boards have been alive. I've learned along the way that sometimes the best products fail in the market. Disney seems to have a "build it and they will come" attitude sometimes. But it doesn't work that way. Some amazing products and many products that were higher quality than their competitors have failed over the decades because the companies didn't figure out how to win in the marketplace regardless of how good their products were. Anyone remember Betamax?
LOL. Come on now. There's an entire thread dedicated to announcements of Zootopia and Moana lands in Animal Kingdom. Go look at what they said was coming to Galaxy Edge. And that entire D23 where they cancelled almost everything. Epcot transformation. They legit announce things all the time before they are ready. I'm not saying they won't do something, but they announce they have plans all the time that lead to nothing.You don't know that. They have said something will be done next. Disney does not announce things until they are ready. If there is work going on there (as the public work order filing suggests), then they most likely have already gone back to that drawing board. That and other grapevine indicators suggests various levels of activity under way. My guess is it will probably be sometime in 2024 before the public gets to find out what they have chosen as a new direction.
As for the personal shots against me as newer to posting on these boards, that's all fine. But I have been in business longer than most on these boards have been alive. I've learned along the way that sometimes the best products fail in the market. Disney seems to have a "build it and they will come" attitude sometimes. But it doesn't work that way. Some amazing products and many products that were higher quality than their competitors have failed over the decades because the companies didn't figure out how to win in the marketplace regardless of how good their products were. Anyone remember Betamax?
He lied. Let’s move on.So ill ask this… they created a unique experience that supposedly was highly liked and yet they couldnt find a way to make it work and we are suppose to believe they will be able to do this again when they re envision this place as Josh claims?!?
I want to Clorox my eyes when I see that. There are playgrounds inside airport malls with more thought/detail put into themReally? This is your definition of "tremendous"?![]()
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You buried the lead…Congratulations, you've discovered that the dining hall is empty when it's not one of the seating times.
I guess you've never been to the lounge of a cruise ship at 3 PM.
Betamax was a disaster. Anyone remember Betamax?
It doesn’t look that much more impressive from other angles though. In all the videos and photos I’ve seen, it doesn’t scream “dining room” so much as corporate cafeteria with neo-futuristic succulents.The dining room discussion is one more example of people not understanding what this was. First, the pictures do not do it justice. But that doesn't matter because the immersion was driven by the interactions with the cast and other guests. The environments were great, but they were never intended to be the star of the show. They were just set pieces within which the immersion could be created. It is the experience itself that was immersive. Guests who had never considered any kind of LARP or cosplay, including guests in normal street clothes, found themselves completely pulled in and forgetting that it wasn't real. People who never heard of 'LARP drop' experienced it when they had to leave. The environments were meticulously consistent and believable as what they were themed to be. But they could have been almost anything. That is a key difference between passive immersion where the environment has to do all the lifting and interactive character immersion that creates connections and getting lost in story. One of the reasons I have been advocating/hoping Disney finds a way to create little mini-experiences is that there may be no possible way to convey the experience without people doing it. So adding more interaction in their attractions and having paid lower-price short duration immersion opportunities may be the only way they can build the market for the longer duration format. Pictures, no matter how good, could never convey what this was. I don't want them to just repeat the same duration/price approach with new story. As much as I believe better marketing and getting the word out to more people would have worked, I also know that marketing also carries costs and the marketing budget was probably constrained by the number of guests this was limited to. They are going to have to build awareness and market for this type of experience in ways that fit into other budgets.
It is widely recognized that Betamax was the better quality product than VHS. They had twice the image resolution. Betamax tapes were also about half the size of VHS, which they thought was an advantage, but they clearly botched the recording time issue that going with the larger capacity that the bulkier VHS tapes provided would have resolved. But VHS won the marketing wars except in the case of professional studios that stuck with Betamax for a longer period because they could not settle for the inferior quality of VHS recordings. Higher quality lost.Betamax was a disaster
Small correction. It looks like crap in pictures (which I agree, it does) but the people who have actually been there have pointed out many times that it didn't look nearly as bad in person. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been better but it likely gets called out unfairly because it just doesn't photograph well.You buried the lead…
It looked like crap
It was better in every way except one but let's face it, quality doesn't win out in most cases. People want cheap and easy first and foremost with quality being a distant third in most cases.Betamax was a disaster
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As the podcast says... someday, the Galactic Starcruiser will have been our Woodstock.
Yall are trying too hard to crap on people's good time. Go outside and touch some grass.
It is widely recognized that Betamax was the better quality product than VHS. They had twice the image resolution. Betamax tapes were also about half the size of VHS, which they thought was an advantage, but they clearly botched the recording time issue that going with the larger capacity that the bulkier VHS tapes provided would have resolved. But VHS won the marketing wars except in the case of professional studios that stuck with Betamax for a longer period because they could not settle for the inferior quality of VHS recordings. Higher quality lost.
I don't bristle at that at all. But there is huge psychological impact from "play-pretend" that Disney tapped into. LARP drop is a real phenomenon that is a subject of study by psychologists. It likely also was a huge factor in how many of us who went once thinking we could only ever spend the money to go once or perhaps every 4-5 years found ourselves back again in the same 12 month period. We had to have that experience again and it was even better on repeat visits. You can downplay the play-pretend aspect, but it is likely regardless of the financial failure of this attempt to become a bigger and bigger part of entertainment. Disney is not going to abandon the interactive immersion concept.... play-pretend* ...
*you may bristle at my wording but that is what it was, right?
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