News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

Drdcm

Well-Known Member
People must be crazy to think that Disney would keep something losing money -- and which has no hope of ever becoming profitable (again) -- running.




Nevermind.

Conspiracy theory powers activated!!
I thought they acknowledged that he made the board uncomfortable with his positivity about Disney +. Not trying to promote a conspiracy theory if untrue. You seem to know a lot about this kind of stuff, so I’m happy to defer to you
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I thought they acknowledged that he made the board uncomfortable with his positivity about Disney +. Not trying to promote a conspiracy theory if untrue. You seem to know a lot about this kind of stuff, so I’m happy to defer to you
Yes, he was too cheery with regard to D+ having a bigger loss than expected for the quarter.

But other divisions (barring closed Asian parks) weren't throwing any such losses.

And the company as a whole profited billions.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
People must be crazy to think that Disney would keep something losing money -- and which has no hope of ever becoming profitable (again) -- running.




Nevermind.

Conspiracy theory powers activated!!
I absolutely don’t think they’d tolerate a loss…

But the stock battle right now is poor timing for really ANY problems…if it settles down…then I’d expect to see more clarity. That could be moves with this or digging in.
 
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Drdcm

Well-Known Member
Yes, he was too cheery with regard to D+ having a bigger loss than expected for the quarter.

But other divisions (barring closed Asian parks) weren't throwing any such losses.

And the company as a whole profited billions.
I really don’t see how my statement warrants a conspiracy theory label then.

Either way, thank you for clarifying. I’m in agreement with your statement that they continue to be profitable.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I really don’t see how my statement warrants a conspiracy theory label then.

Either way, thank you for clarifying. I’m in agreement with your statement that they continue to be profitable.
It was the part about keeping it a secret if it was unprofitable to soothe investors and the stock market.

Secrets like that can really bite them on the butt if a disaffected employee lets the secret out. Not worth the risk.
 

Drdcm

Well-Known Member
It was the part about keeping it a secret if it was unprofitable to soothe investors and the stock market.

Secrets like that can really bite them on the butt if a disaffected employee lets the secret out. Not worth the risk.
Sorry, really don’t want to extend this further, so I promise this is my last post about this. I take labels and accusations seriously and try to be careful when saying things because I also hate conspiracy theories.

I never said they were keeping secrets. You maybe extrapolated that from my statement. I said that the stock price falls when they announce things aren’t going well, and then provided an exception to my statement in an edit when the stock price increase again after chapeks firing and acknowledging Disney + was less profitable than expected.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Remember the Disney Institute? I think it was where Saratoga Springs Resort is now.

It was probably very good, it just was not a money maker, so they shut it down.

Was Disney Quest a money loser OR did it simply not make the margins they wanted?

I do miss Disney Quest.

Or the NBA experience, they sunk a small fortune into that place, closed it shortly thereafter due to Covid, and chose to let it sit empty for the last couple years rather than reopen it.

If something isn’t profitable Disney has no problem closing it and writing it off as a loss.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I believe you’ve seen my comment on the likelihood of sociopathy in Iger, but I’ll let that rest. Again, I have not sat down to diagnose him, so cannot say with certainty.
I tried to make small talk with him once for 10 seconds at a mixer at boardwalk once…
It was forgettable

…the diagnosis came from afar much later 😎
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Or the NBA experience, they sunk a small fortune into that place, closed it shortly thereafter due to Covid, and chose to let it sit empty for the last couple years rather than reopen it.

If something isn’t profitable Disney has no problem closing it and writing it off as a loss.
You think that was because it wasn’t profitable? Or because they knew that in the first place after they vastly overpaid ($3,000,000,000) for the last contract and needed to make a show of it?
It was a perfect out.

Riverboat Bob got taken alot in deals after 10/31/12
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Or the NBA experience, they sunk a small fortune into that place, closed it shortly thereafter due to Covid, and chose to let it sit empty for the last couple years rather than reopen it.

If something isn’t profitable Disney has no problem closing it and writing it off as a loss.
The NBA Experience was not a Disney driven project. The NBA paid Disney to operate it.
 

ehh

Member
Of the voyages they canceled, I'd be very interested in the percentage of people who rebooked for a different date. If they did that to us, we probably wouldn't rebook imminently as we plan our travel far in advance, mostly thanks to DVC.

Also think it's fascinating that they have operational/occupancy flexibility that normal hotels/cruises don't have. Hotels/cruises realistically can't shutdown like this.

Unlike a hotel, which has extremely variable check-in/check-outs from its guests, Starcruiser guests are neatly organized on the dates they 'voyage', so they can cleanly shut down for 1-3 days at a time when a hotel couldn't without impacting a larger number of booked nights. And unlike a cruise, Starcruiser probably has nearly zero cost for the days it's shutdown as it's not a high-maintenance ship with port fees, resident crew, etc.

Hypothetically, instead of staying open 100% of dates with an average of a 70% occupancy rate and gutting out the painfully slow days, they have the flexibility to be open 85% of dates with a slightly boosted average occupancy rate (say, 80%) and no painfully slow days.

Of course Disney would prefer to have overwhelming demand, but in the face of reduced demand they have an operational lever that they've never really had before. Yeah, they will have fewer heads in beds total by canceling voyages but also reduced operating costs and maybe it makes some CM scheduling easier by synchronizing days off (e.g., Jiko, Victoria & Albert's).

They're definitely going to get interesting-to-me data from this and I'd definitely geek out over it if it were ever available.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Of the voyages they canceled, I'd be very interested in the percentage of people who rebooked for a different date. If they did that to us, we probably wouldn't rebook imminently as we plan our travel far in advance, mostly thanks to DVC.

Also think it's fascinating that they have operational/occupancy flexibility that normal hotels/cruises don't have. Hotels/cruises realistically can't shutdown like this.

Unlike a hotel, which has extremely variable check-in/check-outs from its guests, Starcruiser guests are neatly organized on the dates they 'voyage', so they can cleanly shut down for 1-3 days at a time when a hotel couldn't without impacting a larger number of booked nights. And unlike a cruise, Starcruiser probably has nearly zero cost for the days it's shutdown as it's not a high-maintenance ship with port fees, resident crew, etc.

Hypothetically, instead of staying open 100% of dates with an average of a 70% occupancy rate and gutting out the painfully slow days, they have the flexibility to be open 85% of dates with a slightly boosted average occupancy rate (say, 80%) and no painfully slow days.

Of course Disney would prefer to have overwhelming demand, but in the face of reduced demand they have an operational lever that they've never really had before. Yeah, they will have fewer heads in beds total by canceling voyages but also reduced operating costs and maybe it makes some CM scheduling easier by synchronizing days off (e.g., Jiko, Victoria & Albert's).

They're definitely going to get interesting-to-me data from this and I'd definitely geek out over it if it were ever available.
Good points.

I suspect the occ numbers are much lower - however.

Despite some of the addict style praise…there never seemed to be much of a buzz/rush to this thing. The most demand was gonna be right at the beginning…based on how they set it up…and that has underwhelmed like the nondescript land next door.

The problem: you are trying to pull two fandoms who really hate non-descript. If you want them to buy it…it better walk the walk. And buy they will.
 

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