News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
Why can’t one be a fan but also express concern and dismay at the objectively stratospheric prices for a type of project Disney wants to do more of going forward, pricing out 98% of the country in the process? Or when some of its projects appear to not be rising to the same standards that made us fans in the first place?
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I'm very critical of a lot (most?) of what Disney has been doing lately, but, to be fair, the poster was responding to someone who's entire reason for being on the site seems to be to convince people any amusement or theme park is better than Disney and everyone should stop visiting Disney. The reasoning changes from thread to thread, sometimes being that thrill parks are just better and unthemed roller coasters are far superior to themed dark rides, other times it is because original dark rides like Maelstrom have been replaced by IP like Frozen. Then, if Disney vloggers come up, the contribution is that we should all be watching vloggers who focus on non-Disney parks.

Each to their own, but I must admit this gets tiring as no-one is forcing anyone to be on a Disney theme park forum.
 
danlb_2000

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kingdead said:
I'm sure that the appearance of the box truck (at least from the outside) isn't going to be THE dealbreaker for this hotel. But most of the experiences on board this "ship" are regular old theme park experiences--the card game, the lightsaber training, the droid racing are the equivalents of getting a wand at Olivander's at Universal or that Jedi training show that used to be available to kids. The Twilek singer is like going to Space 220, and the big "fight" that you get at the end of the hotel is the Spiderman stunt show or the live-action Beauty and the Beast.

You're paying $6k for stuff that you usually could do for a $100 upcharge at most. People were expecting real lightsabers and actual landspeeders for those prices.
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For 99% of guests that appearance of the outside of the truck won't even factor in since they will never know about it. There are plenty of things about this experience to be critical of, the outside of a transport vehicle you will never see isn't really one of them.
 
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flynnibus

flynnibus

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I think people forget that disney WANTS the outside of the truck to be incognito and not look standout at all. The trucks will be driving around a part of the property that is open to guests, not all back stage.

Last thing Disney wants is something looking like an X-wing hoopdie on wheels trying to drive around the parking lots while guests drive by.

You want the truck movement to be discrete and blend in.
 
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kingdead

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flynnibus said:
I think people forget that disney WANTS the outside of the truck to be incognito and not look standout at all. The trucks will be driving around a part of the property that is open to guests, not all back stage.

Last thing Disney wants is something looking like an X-wing hoopdie on wheels trying to drive around the parking lots while guests drive by.

You want the truck movement to be discrete and blend in.
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Why not? That would be so cool--imagine pulling into the lot and you see an x-wing "flying" by! That's what tells you you're in a magical place, not just the regular world!

(Ok, I get it, you don't want people getting distracted while driving, but still... that kind of "wow" moment is why people don't just go to Six Flags.)
 
larryz

larryz

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matt9112 said:
Funny how this is probably the only fan site with different opinions....any of the bigger name sites are so sanitized....because to love Disney you cant critique them right? Theres no way i can think the tower of terrror is one of the greatest attractions on earth unless i foam at the mouth for star cruiser?
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They live by Doc's Rule: If you can't say anything nice, I'll ban you.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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kingdead said:
(Ok, I get it, you don't want people getting distracted while driving, but still... that kind of "wow" moment is why people don't just go to Six Flags.)
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No, you don't want to draw unnecessary attention to the fact the experience is really just a car ride. Preserving the magic. Same way Disney tries to hide showbuildings... well, at least they used to.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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danlb_2000 said:
Do you have a problem with the back side of the Hogwarts express?

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Good thing that's not a 6,000 dollar train ride. The entire premise of the hogwarts Express is amazing. Its a stroke of brilliance. But i have no issue with half of it being unthemed just like i have no issues seeing a litany of bad sight lines for a brief minute or so on splash mountain.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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flynnibus said:
I think people forget that disney WANTS the outside of the truck to be incognito and not look standout at all. The trucks will be driving around a part of the property that is open to guests, not all back stage.

Last thing Disney wants is something looking like an X-wing hoopdie on wheels trying to drive around the parking lots while guests drive by.

You want the truck movement to be discrete and blend in.
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The 'transport' only travels once all the guests are checked in. None of the guests coming or going to the 'port' will see the transport.

Then, the transport only goes through cast driveways and cast parking lot and BoH. No one parking their car at DHS will see the transport.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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sedati said:
I'd say it's where the baseline lies. A fan at least wants things to be good, and yes, has every right to be critical. But if you're here primarily for jabs and takedowns, like the person I was responding to, then you're not a fan. If you're starting at an assumed negative, how is that any definition of a fan? What's more, that's not how entertainment works. The audience plays a cooperative role in entertainment- it's a literal give and take. Cross your arms and grumble and you're guaranteed to not have a good time.

A few Statler and Waldorf types can be fun and keep things from getting overly pixie-dusty, but ours aren't nearly so clever and have proven so obnoxiously persistent that they drown out anything actually happening on stage. These diaper-flooders with their panicked what-if scenarios and default setting of utter doom and gloom are tiresome and the furthest thing from "fans." The hate has become the entertainment.
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Disney is shoving their big spending guests into the back of a windowless moving van. That’s funny. Disney’s logic is understandable, sure. But they’re still piling guests of their $3000 a night hotel into a u-haul. If poking fun at that makes you insultingly defensive, perhaps consider why.

Everybody here wants WDW to be good. Everyone here thinks it was once great and believes it still has elements of greatness and the potential to be great again. Being a fan does not only mean that you uncritically consume any garbage an entity spews out (although it can mean that). If you showed these boards 15 or so years ago (I’m not sure when they started) what Disney would be today, almost every single poster would be apoplectic or dumbfounded. But because the decline has been relatively gradual, some people have decided to ignore it. Others haven’t.

Theme parks, like all entertainment, IS cooperative. WDW always had seams showing - it’s impossible not to. But the burden isn’t solely on the guest. The park has to meet people half way. Disney is placing the burden overwhelmingly on the guest. That’s why folks mock the “magic is you” slogan - because it inadvertently reflects this attitude.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Sir_Cliff said:
I'm very critical of a lot (most?) of what Disney has been doing lately, but, to be fair, the poster was responding to someone who's entire reason for being on the site seems to be to convince people any amusement or theme park is better than Disney and everyone should stop visiting Disney. The reasoning changes from thread to thread, sometimes being that thrill parks are just better and unthemed roller coasters are far superior to themed dark rides, other times it is because original dark rides like Maelstrom have been replaced by IP like Frozen. Then, if Disney vloggers come up, the contribution is that we should all be watching vloggers who focus on non-Disney parks.

Each to their own, but I must admit this gets tiring as no-one is forcing anyone to be on a Disney theme park forum.
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Who on these boards thinks unthemed thrill rides are better then dark rides? Who thinks Six Flags or Cedar Point is better then Disney?
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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Casper Gutman said:
Disney is shoving their big spending guests into the back of a windowless moving van. That’s funny. Disney’s logic is understandable, sure. But they’re still piling guests of their $3000 a night hotel into a u-haul. If poking fun at that makes you insultingly defensive, perhaps consider why.

Everybody here wants WDW to be good. Everyone here thinks it was once great and believes it still has elements of greatness and the potential to be great again. Being a fan does not only mean that you uncritically consume any garbage an entity spews out (although it can mean that). If you showed these boards 15 or so years ago (I’m not sure when they started) what Disney would be today, almost every single poster would be apoplectic or dumbfounded. But because the decline has been relatively gradual, some people have decided to ignore it. Others haven’t.

Theme parks, like all entertainment, IS cooperative. WDW always had seams showing - it’s impossible not to. But the burden isn’t solely on the guest. The park has to meet people half way. Disney is placing the burden overwhelmingly on the guest. That’s why folks mock the “magic is you” slogan - because it inadvertently reflects this attitude.
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Your first paragraph is why this transport bothers me.
There's just something so low effort about that.
We all know that they didn't build a real train for Hogwart's, and I certainly understand guests aren't seeing the outside of the Halcyon transport, so no need to theme it.
But it's a darned straight truck.
When we first speculated as to how guests would get from the ship to the park, I figured Disney would lay down a rail or a track - something like that.
Something built for the purpose, and yes - it could have been pulled by cables.
It wouldn't bother me if I were a guest at those prices, and that's what the transport was.
But, an off the shelf truck?
That bothers me.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
sedati said:
I'd say it's where the baseline lies. A fan at least wants things to be good, and yes, has every right to be critical. But if you're here primarily for jabs and takedowns, like the person I was responding to, then you're not a fan. If you're starting at an assumed negative, how is that any definition of a fan? What's more, that's not how entertainment works. The audience plays a cooperative role in entertainment- it's a literal give and take. Cross your arms and grumble and you're guaranteed to not have a good time.

A few Statler and Waldorf types can be fun and keep things from getting overly pixie-dusty, but ours aren't nearly so clever and have proven so obnoxiously persistent that they drown out anything actually happening on stage. These diaper-flooders with their panicked what-if scenarios and default setting of utter doom and gloom are tiresome and the furthest thing from "fans." The hate has become the entertainment.
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The upfront presentation and PR for this has been abysmal which is all anyone knows right now…talk of “immersion” is just talk on 1/29/22

now…If the thing is great…we won’t have any problem finding praise here…rest assured.

it’s got to be more than a gate into the Star Wars land..which let’s face if leaves a lot of room to grow…and games that sound like the stuff Rec does at the dvc pools…then judgement will be rendered.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Incomudro said:
Your first paragraph is why this transport bothers me.
There's just something so low effort about that.
We all know that they didn't build a real train for Hogwart's, and I certainly understand guests aren't seeing the outside of the Halcyon transport, so no need to theme it.
But it's a darned straight truck.
When we first speculated as to how guests would get from the ship to the park, I figured Disney would lay down a rail or a track - something like that.
Something built for the purpose, and yes - it could have been pulled by cables.
It wouldn't bother me if I were a guest at those prices, and that's what the transport was.
But, an off the shelf truck?
That bothers me.
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What’s funny is the comparison of a truck - even a custom one you don’t see - to the hogwarts express.

has anyone actually been on the train ride? It is a ride…not a bus.
 

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