News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

larryz

larryz

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MurphyJoe said:
Since this is the Starcruiser thread, for the cost of a two-night Starcruiser experience you could have the hardware and about 4 years of Starlink service. Blue shrimp cocktail or relatively high-speed starlight internet for 4 years?
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Or you can get 10 years of T-Mobile home internet for the same $6,000.
 
MisterPenguin

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Incomudro said:
And let's not forget theming.
The more extreme the coaster, the more difficult - to impossible it is to theme it the way Disney has usually done things.
Of course, Disney itself has broken some or their former theming rules with Barnstormer, Slinky, and Tron.
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TP2000

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ChrisFL said:
2 months away
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I was just thinking the same thing. I believe there has to be genuine panic in Burbank and WDI right now over the horrendously bad reaction they got to their repeated attempts at pre-opening PR in the last 60 days. The room cancellations don't help either. The thick layer of cringe applied to all the marketing is just insult to injury.

I think they've got got about three or four options on this approaching Light Magic-New Coke-Edsel (depending how old you are) sized problem. In no particular order, and just off the top of my head, their options appear to be...

  1. Do not acknowledge the product is flawed, do nothing about it, and go full steam ahead. While there is legitimate internal panic, it is officially ignored because the bad buzz can be blamed on Marketing and/or mid management at WDI who approved the various bits to be revealed early via Marketing. Ignore the cancellations while also blame them on Marketing. Open the hotel as planned in 60 days. Try to paper over the complaints onsite with meal vouchers and free crap. This is also known as sticking your head in the sand.
  2. Acknowledge the product is flawed, but only admit internally that it needs minor tweaking. Quickly hire a few extra performers and/or add back performers who were cut three fiscal quarters ago. Stick a few extra pipes or panels on blank walls, add a few extra blinky lights to things where you can. Approve an emergency prop budget to fill out corners and shelves and backgrounds. Re-watch the DVD of Star Wars. Add some comped cocktails or freebies in advance to each reservation. Pray it works and open as planned.
  3. Acknowledge the product is flawed, and admit internally that it needs major work. In addition to doing the steps in #2 above, add in as much staffing as logistically possible. Dust off Beta tests of droids and special effects that got cut from the budget long ago and may still be in storage. More comped cocktails! 🍸 Fluff this thing up as much as possible while downplaying expectations and hope it floats instead of sinks. Regroup after 60 days and figure out how to keep it all going before an official relaunch. There might be a "hiatus" after Labor Day in that scenario. Just hope it's not like the "hiatus" that Light Magic took in September, 1997.
  4. Acknowledge the product is flawed, that it needs major work, and fess up to some of it in public. This is the most painful, and something I doubt they'd ever do. Not sure how this would play out in the public eye, but it could be along the lines of the statements Bob Iger shockingly made in 2007 about how badly flawed DCA was and how much help it needed, after six years of pretending everything was fine and those nerds on the Internet were wrong. Uncharted territory on this one, and doubtful Bob Chapek has the backbone or brains for it.
Either way, I think it's pretty safe to say there's panic and some Christmas vacations were ruined. The effective reaction to that panic will depend on how politically correct it is to admit to it out loud in a Burbank conference room.
Stay tuned! Two months 'til grand opening! :oops:
 
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MrPromey

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TP2000 said:
I was just thinking the same thing. I believe there has to be genuine panic in Burbank and WDI right now over the horrendously bad reaction they got to their repeated attempts at pre-opening PR in the last 60 days. The room cancellations don't help either. The thick layer of cringe applied to all the marketing is just insult to injury.

I think they've got got about three or four options on this approaching Light Magic-New Coke-Edsel (depending how old you are) sized problem. In no particular order, and just off the top of my head, their options appear to be...

  1. Do not acknowledge the product is flawed, do nothing about it, and go full steam ahead. While there is legitimate internal panic, it is officially ignored because the bad buzz can be blamed on Marketing and/or mid management at WDI who approved the various bits to be revealed early via Marketing. Ignore the cancellations while also blame them on Marketing. Open the hotel as planned in 60 days. Try to paper over the complaints onsite with meal vouchers and free crap. This is also known as sticking your head in the sand.
  2. Acknowledge the product is flawed, but only admit internally that it needs minor tweaking. Quickly hire a few extra performers and/or add back performers who were cut three fiscal quarters ago. Stick a few extra pipes or panels on blank walls, add a few extra blinky lights to things where you can. Approve an emergency prop budget to fill out corners and shelves and backgrounds. Re-watch the DVD of Star Wars. Add some comped cocktails or freebies in advance to each reservation. Pray it works and open as planned.
  3. Acknowledge the product is flawed, and admit internally that it needs major work. In addition to doing the steps in #2 above, add in as much staffing as logistically possible. Dust off Beta tests of droids and special effects that got cut from the budget long ago and may still be in storage. More comped cocktails! 🍸 Fluff this thing up as much as possible while downplaying expectations and hope it floats instead of sinks. Regroup after 60 days and figure out how to keep it all going before an official relaunch. There might be a "hiatus" after Labor Day in that scenario. Just hope it's not like the "hiatus" that Light Magic took in September, 1997.
  4. Acknowledge the product is flawed, that it needs major work, and fess up to some of it in public. This is the most painful, and something I doubt they'd ever do. Not sure how this would play out in the public eye, but it could be along the lines of the statements Bob Iger shockingly made in 2007 about how badly flawed DCA was and how much help it needed, after six years of pretending everything was fine and those nerds on the Internet were wrong. Uncharted territory on this one, and doubtful Bob Chapek has the backbone or brains for it.
Either way, I think it's pretty safe to say there's panic and some Christmas vacations were ruined. The effective reaction to that panic will depend on how politically correct it is to admit to it out loud in a Burbank conference room.
Stay tuned! Two months 'til grand opening! :oops:
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So how 'bout them chickens?

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... I learned from Jurassic Park, they may be related to velociraptors...
 
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Cesar R M

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LovePop said:
If the Starcruiser fails guest expectations, it will be the first hotel or cruise ship or building that has ever failed during my time going to Disney, and I've been going for 12 years. I haven't always liked everything Disney builds, but guests have always been impressed, such as the Art of Animation resort, the Riviera Resort, the Disney Dream cruise ship. The NBA Experience failed, but not because there's something intrinsically wrong with it: it is a beautiful indoor basketball court.

So far, the Starcruiser doesn't look near as nice as its concept art illustrates, and if it turns out to be some kind of boring building in which people are stuck for 2 days, it will be a huge problem, being that it doesn't have regular Disney hotel or cruise ship amenities such as a pool, a promenade deck, outside landscaping, or balcony with ocean view. It doesn't even have a parking lot for the guests, so there's basically no way of converting it into regular hotel without a ton of extra work and expense.

I just noticed today about the hotel hallway:

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Look at how cool the hallway looks in the concept art, compared to how plain the promo seems. I can't understand why Disney didn't make a video from the hallway in the concept art. You can't say they don't want to spoil it, it's already in the concept art, so it's already spoiled. I'm just curious if the hotel is as nice as the concept art promises, or it's not realistically possible so that people won't be getting that cool hallway.

Although some people are cancelling, most dates for the first 4 months are still fully booked. That means the fans are trusting that Disney would deliver. it doesn't seem unreasonable to show what things look like in real life vs concept art so that people know what they are getting into. For example, the hotel rooms are definitely worse than the concept art:

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Look at how much bigger the windows are, and how much space there is in the theoretical room, compared to what it ends up looking like. What if everything else also got scaled back accordingly? Disney really needs to make another promo video to replace the one they removed, a video that shows what the concept art looks like in reality.

In case you don't recognize the concept art hallway, I got it out of the middle of the following concept art:

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I wonder if the rooms shown in the promo.. are actually the suits.
The standard rooms looks as tiny as a cruiser ship basic cabin.. if not smaller.

As for hallways, I agree.

I imagine the "hotel" section will barely have theming and everything will be in the hallways connecting the main hall, with the dinning hall and the "bridge".
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I have to say, for all the corners Jurassic Park backed Disney into when building their own Dinosaur ride, Universal never really hit a home run with the property.

The creative potential for a ride based off the Jurassic Park premise is off the charts; you'd think a big, epic Jurassic Park ride could easily land in the Top 10 themed attractions worldwide if they'd just commit. Instead they're all kind of weird and surprisingly lame given the subject matter. Imperfect though it is, I'd take Disney's "Dinosaur!" over them any day.

Probably worth noting that I haven't ridden Velocicoaster, so it's excluded from this - but that's also very clearly trying to do something different from what I'm talking about here.
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I guess for each their own. Because I actually HATED the Disney's dinosaurs in AK.
ITs a jeep that shakes you with some voice and you BARELY can see the dinosaurs. The time I went it was so dark it was darker than the dark rooms in Haunted Mansion.

So yeah no.. I wanted to see more, not just being shaken everywhere with some screams and voice work there and here.
 
Cesar R M

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Movielover said:
They were going to add a second big ride to the Jurassic Park Island after opening. It was to be a indoor Jeep ride.

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Plus there were plans for a motion simulator themed after a Helicopter tour, which was referenced in concept art and is still present in the model of the island, Isla Adventura, in the River Adventure line.

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However the underperformance of the park after opening due to confusion over the resort's name and poor marketing lead to all these being shelved. Eventually Hogwarts Castle was built in the Jeep Safari spot.
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In the end it played well for us. Hogwarts is an impressive ride.

MisterPenguin said:
So, at this point, I think we can all agree: the starcruiser needs space dinosaurs with friggin' light sabers attached to their heads.
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And ewoks that fire lasers from the eyes!

lewisc said:
And laser beams shooting out from their eyes
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great minds..
 
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ChrisFL said:
It looked like in the promo video that was removed, that the same place they're playing the card game is the bar and the singer....so it's that and the dining area too...so all of it is in the same room? Ok I guess
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A filming technique used to make things look larger, more expansive or elaborate than they are. Sad that the Sci Fi tech decor is so generic / basic even clever filming / photography do not make it particularly interesting or appealing.
 

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