News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

UNCgolf

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Europe has different standards than the US

As I mentioned, there are luxury hotels in NYC (and other large cities like Toronto) that don't have pools either.

I don't think I'd expect a luxury hotel in a large city to have a pool (maybe places like Miami and LA excepted, although even there I wouldn't expect boutique hotels to have one) -- when they do, it's often a small pool that's part of the spa.

I think some people are conflating luxury resorts and luxury hotels. I'd expect a resort to have a pool (even though I wouldn't care if it didn't), but not so much a hotel, especially high-end boutique hotels.

Regardless, this Starcruiser is something different entirely. If it turned out that not having a pool was actually causing them to lose business, they could add one. I really doubt it's a factor for most of their target audience, though.
 

NearTheEars

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Really? Then why did everyone on youtube bash the crap out of the hotel if they all liked and wanted what Disney showed them? Why did Disney take down the video meant for major advertising for this 'experience' if I am alone in my 'projecting'? I'll wait for your answer because now I want one.

So much tension over something no one is being forced to pay for or experience.
But I can understand being disappointed in the offering. Just doesn't seem like something to have such an emotional reaction over.
But hey, free country and whatnot...
 

WDW Pro

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What are they considering would be "a fix"?

Is that a rethink of performance programming and amenities? A change in price point?

Or are we talking more drastic measures like redesigning guest-facing areas, or reconcieving the hotel as less of a Boutique Experience?
It's not fully determined yet, but the leading change option will involve bringing Baby Yoda (Grogu) into the experience. They will wait for Book of Boba Fett ratings before locking that in. I don't want to spoil what that would entail (because it spoils what currently happens on the last night of the experience), but it would bring in characters that are more popular than sequel trilogy ones.

So, they had some tests and just gave up? They're not working right now to fix it? Is that how internal testing works? If it turns out not to go well, you just say "Oh, well, there's nothing we can do for the next three months!!"

Don't worry, once they fire Kathleen Kennedy, they'll make it all right!
You may not have noticed that I've been reporting Kathleen Kennedy was being rehired since July. In fact, I broke the story, then re-confirmed it again before anyone else (Grace Randolph I think came in a close second... within minutes perhaps).

They're working on some modifications for the Galactic Starcruiser experience that they hope will get them to winter 2022. These are just band-aids though... they can't fix all the parts that came in subpar in a three month window. What they have been working on is stuff with performers adjusting their interactions with guests and tightening potential downtime so that activities flow better.

Just curious, what is the likelihood this ends up a "regular" hotel soon? With more moderate prices?

Think Lloyd Christmas with Mary Swanson probabilities. In other words, as close to zero as you can get.
 

Casper Gutman

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There seems to be some confusion as to why people who don't intend to stay at this hotel might wish to discuss it. Let me help to clarify some of the reasons for this odd phenomenon:

1) "Will attend" and "won't attend" aren't hard and fast categories. A lot of the people who won't be paying $6000 for two nights might have done so if the promotional materials looked better or the price point was lower. If only people who have looked at the previews and the cost and decided to attend are allowed to comment, you will have a very one-sided discussion.

2) This hotel is based on Star Wars. Many people like Star Wars a great deal. This is why Disney bought the IP and is spending huge amounts of money to build themed experiences featuring Star Wars.

3) This is a Walt Disney World message board. People here care about Disney World a lot. This is one of two major attractions (along with GotG) opening at Disney World in the next year.

4) Some posters would argue that the apparent problems the Starcruiser is experiencing are extensions of problems plaguing the resort in general. As such, the Starcruiser helps illuminate those larger problems and is a natural topic of conversation. More specifically, the Starcruiser reflects on Disney's overall handling of the Star Wars IP, which, as 2 and 3 would indicate, is a topic of interest here.

5) Many of the elements featured in the Starcruiser were meant to be part of Star Wars Land and thus intended for a much larger audience at a much lower price point. In this way, an understanding of the Starcruiser is directly relevant to a discussion of the planning, implementation, and ongoing operation of Star Wars Land.

6) The success or failure of the Starcruiser will effect the resort as a whole, either by encouraging or discouraging further upcharge experiences, boutique hotels, and the replication of other elements of the Starcruiser. It may also effect future investment in the parks themselves.

This is not an exhaustive list, but I hope it begins to help posters understand why people who may not intend to stay on the Starcruiser may still wish to discuss it.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
I am actually well off and can afford this and there is noo way I would ever pay for what they are shoveling.
Then you are not the market. Those who are have or can get the money, and WILL pay for whatever experience they get. They are clearly uncritical of Disney to even consider forking over $6K for a 2-night experience.

I think yours is the smart position from both a value and content perspective. There are many lifelong Star Wars fans who are not happy with what Disney has done with the franchise, and this experience appears to align more closely with post-Lucas Star Wars than pre-Disney Star Wars.

But that doesn't mean we should rate the Halcyon in comparison with other Disney or off-property hotels. That wasn't why this was built.

It may be how it winds up.
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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Then you are not the market. Those who are have or can get the money, and WILL pay for whatever experience they get. They are clearly uncritical of Disney to even consider forking over $6K for a 2-night experience.

I think yours is the smart position from both a value and content perspective. There are many lifelong Star Wars fans who are not happy with what Disney has done with the franchise, and this experience appears to align more closely with post-Lucas Star Wars than pre-Disney Star Wars.

But that doesn't mean we should rate the Halcyon in comparison with other Disney or off-property hotels. That wasn't why this was built.

It may be how it winds up.
A Star Wars fan with money to burn like myself is the market. I won't burn it because a fool and their money are soon...well you know.
 

durangojim

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Here’s why I’m bummed: I’ve got the money, I’m a lifelong die hard SW fan, my family are SW fans, and I was really looking forward to sharing a really unique and fun experience with them. I was willing to pay pretty much whatever it cost to do so. Sadly, absolutely nothing I or my family has seen looks even remotely interesting or fun to me, my wife, our two teen kids. It seems like such a wasted opportunity.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Is it a lot though? Or just the same few bringing it up repeatedly.
Based on this forum you could say there were tens of thousands outraged over not walking up the ramp to the Falcon, when in reality it was one person with a whole lot of time on their hands.
Oh I didn’t say it was a lot, just that I was surprised how many.

If you think there should be 0 of something, seeing 2 of them might surprise you.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Am I missing something? Have people seen sneak previews I’ve missed?

I keep seeing title of YouTube videos about the Star Wars hotel “failure” and this thread seems to mirror that. I was under the impression no one’s actually stayed here yet and won’t for a few more months.

How can something that no one’s actually experienced be considered anything yet?
 

Casper Gutman

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Am I missing something? Have people seen sneak previews I’ve missed?

I keep seeing title of YouTube videos about the Star Wars hotel “failure” and this thread seems to mirror that. I was under the impression no one’s actually stayed here yet and won’t for a few more months.

How can something that no one’s actually experienced be considered anything yet?
People form opinions based on available evidence. At this point, most of the evidence is Disney's own PR material, which should depict the experience in an absurdly positive light, but which many feel is shockingly lackluster.
 

Cesar R M

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It surprises me how many people are upset by the lack of pool on the Star Cruiser.

I'm plenty critical of the job Disney has done on this project, but not having a pool doesn't even register with me as one of the problems. It seems really clear to me that Disney isn't aiming for the kind of traditional hotel experience that would have one. They're trying to do something far more out there (even if promo material suggests they are falling WAAAY short). I feel like not including one is actually pretty well justified.

When trying to create an illusion (or a themed experience) you have to be really discerning what elements you choose to include, since the physical reality of those elements will either support or hinder the illusion you're trying to create. A Hotel that's meant to give the illusion of a Not-Hotel is tricky, because it techically is a hotel in that people will be staying there, but that's not the impression guests are intended to walk away with. Since you HAVE to provide the accomodations that are necessary for guests to be able to stay overnight, you then have to remove anything that will feed into those and accidentally suggest that where they're staying is a "normal" hotel instead of the illusory place you're trying to make. Practically every criticism I've seen over not having a pool falls back on the argument that people "expect a hotel to have a pool". Which means people identify Having a Pool with the idea of Staying at a Hotel. Well, Disney doesn't WANT you to feel like you ARE at a hotel . . . so, scratch the pool.

You already have to make the huge leap of convincing guests that the building they're in is floating in space and not grounded on earth - that's a BIIIG leap. Putting projection domes outside the windows isn't enough, the programming has to support that. The more hotel-like amenities you have, the less likely it is to feel like you're NOT at a hotel. I'm already dubious of the "weather-controlled" area the "ship" has that "replicates the climate of the destination planet" . . . unfortunately, I think most guests will see a much shorter distance between "we're obviously still on Earth and just went outside" than the convoluted story they created . . . but that's one of the liabilities you HAVE to offer as a place where people are staying overnight. You've literally got to give them space to breathe, even if it goes against your illusion. Which is all the more reason to cut anything else that works against that illusion.

Now, the REAL kicker here is that you have to offer some sort of experience that is at least as satisfying to guests, so that they don't look and say "It was fine, but I would have liked it better with a pool". You have to give them a fantastical, Star-Warsy alternative that makes them look at their next hotel pool and say "man, what they had on the Star Cruiser was WAY better than THIS old thing". But so far we haven't seen any evidence that they've done that. So, for me, THAT'S where MY criticism lies, rather than "where's the pool?"

You can skip building a pool, but for $6,000 you had better give us something better.
I wonder if the restaurant will actually have a 3d view similar to the space restaurant at Epcot.

Having only limited "windows" to see "space" will be a bummer.
 

Cesar R M

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But, does it include access to a pool?
Are you ok with an inflatable one? I heard he got a Yoda themed one. :hilarious: :hilarious:


wait... forget the pool... does it have day spa? Don't all luxury hotels have day spas?

What if my wife really wants a spa treatment? HOW COULD DISNEY OVERLOOK THIS??

Now I'm gonna keep posting for the next 6 months about spas most people won't have any time to use while on the starcruiser because it's something you'd expect at a hotel... when you booked a interactive experience... but keep talking about what we want in a hotel...
Can you imagine getting the bugs bunny head massage from an EWOK and a feet treatment by a Hut? XD
 
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Cesar R M

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So then what about the Star Cruiser, which, by design, is not a "hotel"?

That's the whole point. Disney isn't trying to build a "hotel". Even if Marketing is doing a lousy job making that clear.
It has accomodations aka rooms, it has a restaurant, it has a lobby.. its a GODDARN hotel with advanced themed.
Not need to run loops and make gymnastics over this.
 

Cesar R M

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A huge number of luxury hotels in Europe. I've stayed at incredibly nice hotels in Madrid, London, Paris, and Rome that didn't have pools.

Pretty sure the Plaza Hotel in NYC doesn't have a pool, although I could be mistaken. I know the Central Park Ritz-Carlton doesn't have one.
Don't these replace the "pools" with huge bathtubs in the rooms or a gigantic SPAs with sweating rooms and/or hottubs?


*edit*
Someone else also mentioned this before me hmm..
 

Casper Gutman

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No pool. Small rooms. No real outside area. I don't think it would work as a regular hotel.
This, from a few pages back, bears repeating. This isn't the Disney Institute. If this fails, it fails - it can't function as a hotel. Disney really boxed themselves in here - imagine if they had built a larger SW themed hotel with a connected but separate, slightly differently themed area presenting an RPG experience, with many of its own facilities. The resort would scoop up a much broader audience, the proximity to a general hotel audience would help entice guests to partake in the upcharge experience and, should it fail, the rooms could simply be added to the inventory of the overall resort. But once again, Disney has gone cheap up front and in the process opened themselves up to the risk of significantly greater losses down the road - sort of like they've done with decades of crowd management and data mining systems.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Am I missing something? Have people seen sneak previews I’ve missed?

I keep seeing title of YouTube videos about the Star Wars hotel “failure” and this thread seems to mirror that. I was under the impression no one’s actually stayed here yet and won’t for a few more months.

How can something that no one’s actually experienced be considered anything yet?
It's the FUD Coalition versus the FOMO Confederation.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
wait... forget the pool... does it have day spa? Don't all luxury hotels have day spas?

What if my wife really wants a spa treatment? HOW COULD DISNEY OVERLOOK THIS??

Now I'm gonna keep posting for the next 6 months about spas most people won't have any time to use while on the starcruiser because it's something you'd expect at a hotel... when you booked a interactive experience... but keep talking about what we want in a hotel...

Since many parents are going to feel sucked into this it is a little eh that theres nothing to do but LARP around. The concept just seems eh.
 

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