News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

flynnibus

Premium Member
The difference is that in the descriptions of those tours its explicitly said that a ticket isn't included. All the marketing thus far for the starcruiser has said that it includes the excursion to Batuu. No note of 'theme park admission required' or anything like that. So I'd say its included in the price, but the question is how exactly it will be handled.

Those tours are also ACTIVE PRODUCTS - you're comparing against something that isn't rolled out yet... of course there isn't verbiage about what is included or not. It's literally not published yet... nothing is.

And why does it even matter?

We don't even know the price... and people are spending days arguing over what will likely be something of about 10% value?

The kind of people booking this experience are not going to change their plans one way or another if the ticket is included or not.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
I don't see Disney giving that access for "free" or included in the price when things like the VIP tours don't include a ticket either. Heck, the "World of Dreams" tour cost $12,000 and still doesn't include a park ticket.

They could have a line charge on the bill for a ticket per person or something though. But, I imagine a lot of people will stay there for 2 days, then transfer to another resort for the rest of their vacation. If you have a 6 day ticket, it would suck to have to pay a full day price for one day when you are going to purchase a cheaper per day ticket for the length of your stay. However they do it remains to be seen, I just do not see HS access during regular park hours being included. As they say "that's not Disney".
The use case is different between the tours and the Starcruiser though. In a way that directly impacts ticket management.

With any of the tours, it's an add on experience that can happen at any time. Go for 1 day only and only do a tour. Do a tour on the first day of a longer trip. Do a tour on the last day of a longer trip. Do a tour on a random day in the middle of a trip. Plus, a tour isn't an entire day thing. Except for the first one, for all the rest people are already buying longer duration tickets. They would overlap with the same time period. Trying to manage that you bought a 5 day ticket, but on day 3 of 6 you're going into a park on a tour and not using that ticket would be a huge hassle. I have never done a "resort day" in the middle of a trip, it's that even something you can still do with the new variable ticket pricing?

While it's possible to book Starcruiser in the middle of a stay, that's not really what they're expecting, based on the pitch. It'll most often be at the start or end of a trip. Exactly the same way a split parks and Disney Cruise Line trip works. Using that model, the first or last day may overlap with the rest of a trip using the parks, but the middle day is clearly targeted as a cruise day. My guess is the middle day will include park entrance to DHS. It'll obviously be easiest to travel on the cruise shuttle, but I doubt they restrict access at the front gate if you end up there for some reason. Even with a dedicated entrance, they'll have to have tap styles there. If only to validate you're a cruiser before letting you board the shuttle back.

The embark and disembark days are more interesting. Until we have details on times and expectations, it's harder to tell. If we assume the first day starts late enough, and includes onboard activities, then there's no reason for them to include a ticket for that day. On an end trip cruise, you would need your original ticket to include time for morning parks. If the last day ends early enough, you're kicked to the curb nicely. On a start of trip cruise, you would need your resort ticket to cover afternoon parks. If those are travel days, they'll just assume you're on your own to skip the parks or add a 1 day ticket. If the times are different, arrive early and check out late (which means they need an empty night between cruises), all of these thoughts are different.

Much like Castaway Cay is included in a real cruise, that would be my expectation for the middle day including DHS.
 

CraftyFox

Well-Known Member
I can’t open this thread anymore. Was it deleted or is this just an issue on the client side?
 

Hank Hill

Well-Known Member
Much like Castaway Cay is included in a real cruise, that would be my expectation for the middle day including DHS.

Sure you can go on the island and do some things without paying, but for an excursion or activity on Castaway Cay, you still need to pay. And many people do pay for those things. Like I said, I can see some exclusive time in Batuu before or after hours included with the stay, but I just do not see Disney offering an actual park day with whatever price this ends up being. Not when a 12 grand tour doesn't, even if the two things are much different.

But we are just guessing, and don't even know if there will even be an opportunity to go in during regular park hours, or really any confirmed news about details yet. I would imagine we are still months away from any real hard announcements of what will be included, or even actual price. Disney probably doesn't even know everything yet, and current plans will change by the time it opens. It's just fun to speculate.
 

TomOutEast

Active Member
As a bonus, Disney already knows how to run a cruise. Does anyone know what operations/division the Starcruiser is part of? Is it part of Resorts, Parks, Cruise Line, something else? That might give us a clue, or not. Wherever it is, hopefully they're talking with the Cruise Line operations teams.
When you sign up for email updates they tell you to be sure to opt in to "Walt Disney World Resort (from Disney Destinations)". Not 100% sure that answers your question.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
With about 100 rooms that is going to be what, 300-500 guests in the Starcruiser at any one time. I don't see them staffing all of GE just for that few people for any special access time. While I could see exclusive access in the morning or evening being included in the price, I would think only certain things would be open at those times like the rides and build a light saber or droid. To experience the whole land, you would want to be there during when the park was open. And there would be nothing to stop someone from going to ToT during that time. I don't see Disney giving that access for "free" or included in the price when things like the VIP tours don't include a ticket either. Heck, the "World of Dreams" tour cost $12,000 and still doesn't include a park ticket.

They could have a line charge on the bill for a ticket per person or something though. But, I imagine a lot of people will stay there for 2 days, then transfer to another resort for the rest of their vacation. If you have a 6 day ticket, it would suck to have to pay a full day price for one day when you are going to purchase a cheaper per day ticket for the length of your stay. However they do it remains to be seen, I just do not see HS access during regular park hours being included. As they say "that's not Disney".
It’s a 2 day experience so if Batuu is only an excursion that’s part of one day in your stay it’s 150 to 250 guests a day from the resort (spread over the 2 days). Further, if the excursion was only an hour and they evenly spread the resort guests out during each hour of a 12 hour operating day (normal hours) that’s only 15 to 20 guests per hour. They could easily bring that small number of guests into the land for a VIP experience. That could be front of the line access to the rides, exclusive character interactions in the open land, some behind the scenes access to a private area to complete some mission exclusive to resort guests or maybe some combination of all these things. The point is visiting the park for an excursion doesn’t have to mean a whole day spent there.

I don’t think this type of thing is the same as a tour. The tour assumes you are spending the day in the park. This is being described as more of a short term excursion. As I said before, my gut feeling is access to the park for your excursion will be included in the total price whether they itemize it or just charge an all-in price. From a business prospective that also means they get extra cash from AP holders.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
It’s a 2 day experience so if Batuu is only an excursion that’s part of one day in your stay it’s 150 to 250 guests a day from the resort (spread over the 2 days).
It's been described as 2 nights, not 2 days. Based on that description, I don't think there are really 2 days worth of daytime operation hours. If check in is 3:00 PM and check out is 10:00 AM, that's only 43 hours. Those are typical hotel times. The 2-Night Baja cruise is Aboard: 4:00 PM, Disembark: 8:30 AM, only 40.5 hours. If DHS is open until 9:00 PM, that's only 5 hours over overlap the first day, complicating scheduling, give or take DHS schedules. I think it's a fairly safe assumption that all of the excursions will happen on the full day only. That's still plenty of time to work 300 guests into special tours.

The point is visiting the park for an excursion doesn’t have to mean a whole day spent there.

Why not both? Or, even a bunch of different options.
  • They could include a short tour and nothing else. If you want to spend a day in DHS, buy a ticket.
  • They could include a ticket for DHS. Buy a tour if you want an enhanced experience.
  • They could include a short tour. Buy a ticket for a full day, and offer larger more complex tours for purchase.
  • Lots of combinations of different excursion tours with different content possibilities. This allows for lots of different prices. They can also change them up, which is good for repeat business. If there's 5 different excursions, it's probably not possible to do them all in a single trip. Change one every 6 months too.
I don't think we'll know any of these details until they open reservations, or just before.

I'm sure it's safe to assume that there will be entertainment items available to guests from when they check in, until they leave. Along with at least some interaction with DHS. But, the nature of those is anyone's guess.
 

Hank Hill

Well-Known Member
That could be front of the line access to the rides, exclusive character interactions in the open land, some behind the scenes access to a private area to complete some mission exclusive to resort guests or maybe some combination of all these things. The point is visiting the park for an excursion doesn’t have to mean a whole day spent there.

I don’t think this type of thing is the same as a tour. The tour assumes you are spending the day in the park. This is being described as more of a short term excursion.

From a business prospective that also means they get extra cash from AP holders.

I don't think we are disagreeing much here actually. I can see a controlled excursion in small groups to the park during the day with certain access and a set schedule of activities with a guide, set to return at a specific time. While I understand this is much different than a VIP tour and am not trying to compare the activities, I'm just saying I can't see anyway they include admission for star cruiser guests to freely enter and roam HS as they please during regular operating hours if a tour that cost 12k doesn't include park entry. And while it may seem silly to spend money on the hotel if you are spending a lot of time in the park, I could see some adults letting the kids do things while they do what they want.

I'm guessing you mean special access not available to regular guests and not "behind the scenes". Considering how much this is about immersion, I can't see anyone getting a behind the scenes look while on the star cruiser. Though I think that would be a cool option as an add on for those that want it. I am always fascinated with the operations of the parks.

As an AP holder, that would suck, I expect a discount. I guess if they add something I don't need then take it off with the discount I might fall for it! It's like when I am shopping at Kohl's and buy stuff because it's "on sale". That freaking place is always having a sale, yet I fall for the buy one get one 1/2 off too much..... Well, I didn't need 24 pairs of socks but here we are.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
It's been described as 2 nights, not 2 days.

The latest video put out by Disney says "2 days and 2 nights".

 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
The latest video put out by Disney says "2 days and 2 nights".


Depends how you define "day":
  1. exactly 24 hours
  2. the major part of a 24 hour cycle
  3. the daylight hours of a 24 hour cycle
  4. the major part of the daylight hours of a 24 hour cycle

But it's likely to be most of the afternoon and into the night of one calendar day, the totality of the next calendar day, and most of the morning of the third calendar day.

That, in common tourism parlance is: 2 days and 2 nights.
 

Hank Hill

Well-Known Member
But it's likely to be most of the afternoon and into the night of one calendar day, the totality of the next calendar day, and most of the morning of the third calendar day.

That, in common tourism parlance is: 2 days and 2 nights.

If they keep the cruise analogy, it would mean you come in the afternoon that is day/night 1, then the next is day/night 2, then you would leave by 9-11 in the morning like a cruise.

Makes me wonder if this will be all guest come and leave the same day like a cruise, or if they stagger each day depending on guest wants.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm guessing you mean special access not available to regular guests and not "behind the scenes". Considering how much this is about immersion, I can't see anyone getting a behind the scenes look while on the star cruiser. Though I think that would be a cool option as an add on for those that want it. I am always fascinated with the operations of the parks.
I didn’t mean a behind the scenes tour (though I agree that would be cool too but likely an up sell). What I was referring to is having a designated area off limits to regular guests of DHS where hotel guests visiting in small groups can either have an exclusive meet and greet or do some type of role playing with characters or both. If they keep the hotel guest groups small enough it wouldn’t need to be more than a room somewhere in the land that you are escorted to.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It's been described as 2 nights, not 2 days. Based on that description, I don't think there are really 2 days worth of daytime operation hours. If check in is 3:00 PM and check out is 10:00 AM, that's only 43 hours. Those are typical hotel times. The 2-Night Baja cruise is Aboard: 4:00 PM, Disembark: 8:30 AM, only 40.5 hours. If DHS is open until 9:00 PM, that's only 5 hours over overlap the first day, complicating scheduling, give or take DHS schedules. I think it's a fairly safe assumption that all of the excursions will happen on the full day only. That's still plenty of time to work 300 guests into special tours.
There’s really no reason to assume that the excursion could only be on the full day. If check-in was 3 or even 4 they could have 5 or 6 hours of potential excursions. I agree they probably won’t do them on check-out day because of timing. This is just pure speculation, but I am thinking you will probably sign up for various activities on board which will have limited time slots. It’s possible you may get an after dinner on day 1 slot for a Batuu excursion or maybe sometime during day 2.
Why not both? Or, even a bunch of different options.
  • They could include a short tour and nothing else. If you want to spend a day in DHS, buy a ticket.
  • They could include a ticket for DHS. Buy a tour if you want an enhanced experience.
  • They could include a short tour. Buy a ticket for a full day, and offer larger more complex tours for purchase.
  • Lots of combinations of different excursion tours with different content possibilities. This allows for lots of different prices. They can also change them up, which is good for repeat business. If there's 5 different excursions, it's probably not possible to do them all in a single trip. Change one every 6 months too.
I don't think we'll know any of these details until they open reservations, or just before.

I'm sure it's safe to assume that there will be entertainment items available to guests from when they check in, until they leave. Along with at least some interaction with DHS. But, the nature of those is anyone's guess.
I agree we won’t know anything. I’m just speculating based on available info. I could be dead wrong...wouldn’t be the first time ;). I don’t bother to say in every post that what I’m saying is pure speculation because it goes without saying.

My gut feeling is that most people visiting and paying top dollar for a Star Wars experience have little interest in spending their limited time in the rest of DHS. I also don’t think they will stop you if that’s what you really want to do. The “shuttle“ will probably go back and further from the park to the resort and they will only be checking to make sure you are a resort guest before letting you on. Most guests won’t want to spend all day even in Batuu because they will have other activities on board the ship scheduled.

I agree that they will likely make it difficult to experience everything in one stay. This place will need repeat visitors to stay in business.
 

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