Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Tony Perkis]

Seeing what Trevorrow had in place for 9 (written a year before TLJ was released evidently), they did appear to have a plan. The movie flowed from 7 and 8. For whatever reason they abandoned that plan. Hence, the mess of 9.

One of the more dumbfounding criticisms I read is when people whine about old hermit Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. Quite frankly, it was the only logical route.

Think about it - in The Force Awakens, he engaged in a self-imposed exile from the rest of the Galaxy, with the only trace of his whereabouts being a map to him (which, why this exists in the first place is dumb....why not just label it as a map to the birthplace Jedi Order or a map to the ancient Jedi texts).

What did people think he was going to be like when Rey arrived?

Spoiler

 

[Tony Perkis]

How would some kid know something that just happened? Who suddenly cared enough to share it so much?

We aren’t given any specifics of time passed to know if this was 5 minutes after the battle of Crait or 2 months. This is an odd complaint.

Additionally, who cares enough to share the story of Luke Skywalker’s heroics? Probably one of the people saved on Crait by Luke Skywalker’s heroics.

 

[erasure fan1]

Think about it - in The Force Awakens, he engaged in a self-imposed exile from the rest of the Galaxy, with the only trace of his whereabouts being a map to him (which, why this exists in the first place is dumb.

In the force awakens Luke is in a, like you said, self-imposed exile. But we have no idea why except he went searching for the last jedi temple after Ben fell to the Dark Side. It was Johnson who said Luke went there "to die". So because of that, you're right, why would you leave a map if you didn't want to be found. I personally don't think JJs intention was to take Luke that direction. He even says grumpy Luke was the thing that surprised him the most about last jedi. So I have to lay that dud square in Rians lap. Now if Luke knows who Rey is and he is in exile trying to learn something new in the force to help the resistance. And the map was to help guide this awakening force user to him. Great, that tracks. But, dead horse, meet your beating. This is what happens when you relay race it instead of plan things out.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Now if Luke knows who Rey is and he is in exile trying to learn something new in the force to help the resistance. And the map was to help guide this awakening force user to him. Great, that tracks.

That’d be an absolutely atrocious story beat.

 

[erasure fan1]

That’d be an absolutely atrocious story beat.

It might not be great, but I'm not getting paid millions to come up with something. But why is Luke on the island to better himself atrocious? So that is bad but Rian taking story beats and just flat out ignoring them isn't atrocious? While I don't love either scenario, I can say I would have preferred they pick a lane and stay in it.

 

[Tony Perkis]

It might not be great, but I'm not getting paid millions to come up with something. But why is Luke on the island to better himself atrocious? So that is bad but Rian taking story beats and just flat out ignoring them isn't atrocious? While I don't love either scenario, I can say I would have preferred they pick a lane and stay in it.

To me, it makes no logical sense. Why would he recuse himself from a war the Resistance is clearly losing just to train in exile using ancient text that doesn’t necessarily advance the Force nor offer new insight? What could he possibly learn in exile, completely disconnected from the current war and what advancements are being made?

He’s exiled due to being ashamed and feels like his presence is a detriment to the greater efforts. Based on everything established in both TFA and TLJ, that is the only logical viewpoint that makes sense. Training to be Stallone until the time has come is just bad fan fiction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This entire back and forth is so prequel-esque.

We can’t agree when something sucks...so let’s dig in and debate missteps and use hypotheticals to make “the case”

 

[Tony Perkis]

This entire back and forth is so prequel-esque.

We can’t agree when something sucks...so let’s dig in and debate missteps and us hypotheticals to make “the case”

Gatekeeping, again.

 

[LSLS]

Exile because he felt he lost his way or even failed I'd completely get. Again, he didnt leave a map to himself, he was going to the jedi temple and others were trying to find that map. Heck, could have been ben turned on him, he felt he let all down, and retreated to the texts to find his way again (or even gave up and was just finding solice in the temple waiting for death). My issue will always be he retreated because he was on the verge of killing his nephew.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Gatekeeping, again.

You look a bit desperate now....if that’s gatekeeping, so be it.

The choices made fell flat...you can’t “pick them back up”

Might want to ease off a bit...even I’m trying to

 

[Tony Perkis]

Exile because he felt he lost his way or even failed I'd completely get. Again, he didnt leave a map to himself, he was going to the jedi temple and others were trying to find that map. Heck, could have been ben turned on him, he felt he let all down, and retreated to the texts to find his way again (or even gave up and was just finding solice in the temple waiting for death). My issue will always be he retreated because he was on the verge of killing his nephew.

And that’s an legitimate opinion to have, but there are people who are actively against anything that isn’t Luke the last action hero when none of the films logically should go that route.

 

[Tony Perkis]

You look a bit desperate now....if that’s gatekeeping, so be it.

The choices made fell flat...you can’t “pick them back up”

Might want to ease off a bit...even I’m trying to

I’m not desperate. I have made my opinions known and have owned them. I don’t care for your overly judgmental assertion that I’m attempting anything crazy, gatekeeper.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not desperate. I have made my opinions known and have owned them. I don’t care for your overly judgmental assertion that I’m attempting anything crazy, gatekeeper.

...desperation. Want to make another 7 responses to try and re-invent the wheel again, keymaster?

 

[Tony Perkis]

...desperation. Want to make another 7 responses to try and re-invent the wheel again, keymaster?

These two should definitely meet.

 

[sedati]

A Farmboy, a Princess, and a Pirate. Brought together by a common enemy. To think once that enemy was removed, there would be nothing but group harmony and fun times on the Falcon blasting new bad guys seems lazy to me. Honestly, I went into the sequel trilogy convinced one would become an enemy. That may not have happened, but I prefer the tough times ahead approach over the happily ever after. One is mature storytelling, the other is simply closing a book.

 

[erasure fan1]

Gatekeeping, again.

You seem to say this to him, but you seem to be doing the same gatekeeping, but for Rian and the last jedi.

And that’s an legitimate opinion to have, but there are people who are actively against anything that isn’t Luke the last action hero when none of the films logically should go that route.

Yea I'm sure there are some that only want all powerful Luke. There are also people who like to eat dirt. But they aren't the majority. Yes, people wanted one last glimpse of their hero being a jedi master. And there is nothing wrong or illogical about wanting that.

Training to be Stallone until the time has come is just bad fan fiction.

Lets be fair, if it didn't come from Lucas, it's all fan fiction. I'd say a slow speed ship chase through space because you're low on gas is pretty bad fan fiction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

These two should definitely meet.

...I think may be an incredibly bad idea

(The great Harold Ramis)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You seem to say this to him, but you seem to be doing the same gatekeeping, but for Rian and the last jedi.

Yea I'm sure there are some that only want all powerful Luke. There are also people who like to eat dirt. But they aren't the majority. Yes, people wanted one last glimpse of their hero being a jedi master. And there is nothing wrong or illogical about wanting that.

Lets be fair, if it didn't come from Lucas, it's all fan fiction. I'd say a slow speed ship chase through space because you're low on gas is pretty bad fan fiction.

Bingo! I’m just trying to ramp it down so I wasn’t gonna say it.


Officially: I didn’t necessarily want all powerful luke...though I agree with hamill it would have played better.

I just think the character - and the fans - deserved some type of blaze of glory ending...or at least a “wise” send off. What they got was neither...corny and “faux clever”

They just butchered the ending of all the characters. Made it a point of emphasis but pooched then.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

BO update.

A big fat $5 mil weekend. Per screen average will fall below frozen 2 this week.

Inching towards rogue one...$10 mil down still.

Will finish #8 overall for the year....in the high 80’s all time adjusted gross...and the 9 best Star Wars out of 11

What a home run for the master of the reboot and his leash handlers

 

[Mike S]

A Farmboy, a Princess, and a Pirate. Brought together by a common enemy. To think once that enemy was removed, there would be nothing but group harmony and fun times on the Falcon blasting new bad guys seems lazy to me. Honestly, I went into the sequel trilogy convinced one would become an enemy. That may not have happened, but I prefer the tough times ahead approach over the happily ever after. One is mature storytelling, the other is simply closing a book.

New enemies are tough times ahead. Doesn’t mean the heroes can’t still act like heroes.