Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Mike S]

He *did* save his son. And that should be enough, unless one is against protecting one's children.

He also distracted and kept the Emperor from interfering with the ground mission to take down the force field. His son did train Rey and then enabled the remnant of the Resistance to escape. He son then kept Rey from hiding out like he did.

That’s just Legends man

 

[networkpro]

The worst part was that the rebellion would “follow” Jyn...that was bad. Her daddy issues as well.

Knowing RLM, I’d recommend a 6 pack of Milwaukee’s finest.

Spoiler

PBR

How about a six pack of Snoke clones instead ?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

None of the many Jedi in the presence of Palpatine could sense who he was either.

I thought that was the fundamental stupidity of the prequel trilogy...to be honest...

Instead of worrying about highlighting a puppet guild of bankers...

...they needed to establish the reasons behind the evil in the movies.
Why and how he did what he did. George thought everyone read his EU garbage before going to the theater...
Disney told everyone not to and then tried to “speed explain” everything

The field goals go through the middle of the uprights much easier.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ok...so some of the troll fans are at least creative...

 

[Tony Perkis]

Ok...so some of the troll fans are at least creative...

Spoiler

 

[VaderTron]

Honestly I really did want something new from this Trilogy.

What George Lucas had in mind was something new that moved the story forward. However, everyone hated on his prequels so hard that he lost faith in his ability to please audiences and handed over the reins. A classic case of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Now we'll never know where it could have gone.

 

[Tony Perkis]

What George Lucas had in mind was something new that moved the story forward. However, everyone hated on his prequels so hard that he lost faith in his ability to please audiences and handed over the reins. A classic case of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Now we'll never know where it could have gone.

This is why I love The Last Jedi and thought this film was trash. I loved the idea that someone powerful can come from unknown and humble origins and the Force isn’t based on specific lineage.

JJ retconning her as a Palpatine to explain her power was such a foolishly short-sighted decision that it undermined a much more intriguing characterization. Just to appease idiotic angry SW nerds.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What George Lucas had in mind was something new that moved the story forward. However, everyone hated on his prequels so hard that he lost faith in his ability to please audiences and handed over the reins. A classic case of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Now we'll never know where it could have gone.

But he wrote and made bad movies...with obviously transparent profit motives
You act as though he was “wronged”. He was a bad director and they all made $500 mil...any other title and that kinda shoddy work bombs

This is why I love The Last Jedi and thought this film was trash. I loved the idea that someone powerful can come from unknown and humble origins and the Force isn’t based on specific lineage.

JJ retconning her as a Palpatine to explain her power was such a foolishly short-sided decision that it undermined a much more intriguing characterization. Just to appease idiotic angry SW nerds.

Yeah...I think that’s a bridge too far. The “force from nothing” rips at the fundamental story from 1977...

Rian Johnson could have watched any of lucas’s 38 commemorative box sets to see that.

I honestly don’t think he did. He’s not a good director and proved to be an awful writer on that movie.

That was bad...the reboot is bad...the retconning was bad.

This is a really awful trilogy. People think I’m exaggerating...but I’ve never been wrong about the longterm pull of Star Wars before...including my time here...or about any of the prequels...

Don’t think it will happen this time either

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Like Luke wasn't a whiny brat? LOL... someone was always pulling his *** out of the fire because he was so impulsive and reckless. (And he never finished his Jedi training, but decided to open a school. What could possibly go wrong?)

Yes he was in STAR WARS but you forget THAT WAS PART OF LUKE'S ARC!!!! Something Rey never has. Through the 3 films Luke radically changes as a person in maturity but still never loses his farm boy sense of hope and good.
STAR WARS- A bit whiny and cocky, and headstrong but caring and loyal. kinda dopey at times. then he taps into the force to make a one in a million shot at the end.
EMPIRE- Luke is more versed in the force and battle tested. More mature and serious But very impatient and thinks he knows everything and gives in to his anger and emotions too much. He ignores Ben and Yoda thinking he is ready to fight Vader in order to save his friends. When he confronts Vader it is of a up and commer to the force taking on the man who up that point he believes killed his father, who he saw kill Obi-Wan, who destoryed the jedi something he wants to be. Then Vader kicks the ever loving crap out of him and shows him he really knows nothing of the force yet and drops the mother of all bombs on him and totally turns Luke's world upside. Oh and he cuts off his hand.
JEDI- Luke is a fully reallized Jedi. He dresses different, has more mature confidence after being humbled by Vader. He demonstrates his training is complete by applying everything he has learned in his plan to free Han. Yoda tells him he must destroy Vader and Palpatine to become a real Jedi but instead Luke proves Yoda wrong by using his compassion instead of anger he tries to turn his dad back to the good side and even though he gave into anger at the end he tosses the saber aside in a act of defiance to Paplatine instead of killing Vader showing that he is not going to turn. and he is now dealing with a actual Jedi. When Palpatine says "So be it, Jedi." Palpatine recognizes his failure to turn Luke and instead created a Jedi after all these years so he goes in for the kill. But Vader saves Luke because Luke never gave up on him and they bond before Vader dies. Luke went from a plucky young kid, to a hot head adult to a mature and compassionate adult.
Rey has no such journey and is always good at everything. and shows powers Yoda, Luke, Vader,Obi, etc never had. and only gets more powerful at the end of the film. she never went through trials. or had a friend forzen in carbonite. or lost a limb. or got her booty kicked in a fight. she has no growth at all. and bringing back Palpatine further makes THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY less important in the overall mythology. it ruins luke's arc and vader's redemption arc, it makes Luke, Han and LEIA more failures in life than THE FORCE AWAKENS made them than ever before because they not only did not end the war but they actually did not kill the emperor afterall.

 

[Screamface]

I don't know why people keep saying there was no plan. My take away from this film was that we saw what the plan was. Which was shelved and damaged by Rian. We know JJ wrote treatments and we know TLJ ignored them.


We ended up getting a sped-up, simplified, stripped back version of the stories for episode 8 and 9. Having to adjust to reflect the damage Rian did to the story. While I wouldn't exactly trust what he says, JJ has stated that TLJ didn't really get in the way of what they intended. Which in part would be because the film takes place over 3 days immediately after TFA. It just has some big consequences to the story. Nothing much actually happens though. There's no story set up. It's just the premise of Star Wars.

Clearly whatever was going on in the unknown regions with Palpatine and The Final Order. All the sith acolytes ect. Was the original plot of Snoke and The First Order. JJ just had to restart it. Relatively ignore the impact of the First Order.

It would seem on brand if JJ wanted to make an Indiana Jones inspired Star Wars film about the hunt for sith relics. Probably something like a Star Wars remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Just reverse engineer this plot if The Last Jedi didn't happen.

So you don't have the First Order having conquered the galaxy yet. Luke isn't dead etc.

Some time is passed, Rey is training with Luke. There's still the looming threat of Snoke and The First Order from the unknown regions. They must track down sith relics. Try and stop Snoke and the First Order from fully unleashing their darkness on the galaxy. This wouldn't trample all over the original legacy, Anikan ect. It could be something new and different. Snoke was meant to be very old.

Maybe some of this weird stuff, like Force Diads, which mostly got scrapped was all coming from his larger plans which had to be stripped back.

 

[Mike S]

What George Lucas had in mind was something new that moved the story forward. However, everyone hated on his prequels so hard that he lost faith in his ability to please audiences and handed over the reins. A classic case of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Now we'll never know where it could have gone.

I was never one of those angry people. Yes I saw the flaws and yes I made fun of certain aspects but in the end they actually felt like Star Wars. These new movies just don’t.

Thanks Disney.

This is why I love The Last Jedi and thought this film was trash. I loved the idea that someone powerful can come from unknown and humble origins and the Force isn’t based on specific lineage.

JJ retconning her as a Palpatine to explain her power was such a foolishly short-sided decision that it undermined a much more intriguing characterization. Just to appease idiotic angry SW nerds.

Even when these characters came from special lineage they still had a master that had to train them before they became great. Technically the only really special lineage is the Skywalkers due to the special occurrence of Anakin’s birth.

Rey could’ve come from humble beginnings and be a great Jedi and no one would’ve batted an eye. The Prequels already showed a few Jedi that rose to greatness with seemingly no special lineage. The problem arises when she can basically do everything right out of the gate of finding out she’s Force sensitive that all other Jedi had to train for. Pretty much the only explanation for this had to be something special about her or else it would make absolutely no sense to the overall story. I do agree with you that Rey Palpatine is extremely freaking stupid though. I feel really sorry for the woman that gave that man a son

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

It’s whats most disappointing on this and every Disney site/thread. I do not hold the site responsible - except for one - as they don’t mandate no constructive criticism.

You just can’t call a spade a spade when common sense dictates it if is made by Disney without typical backlash. Bad product is bad product...no matter who Holds the copyright.

Somehow...a boned Star Wars trilogy (fact...it happened with the prequels and that’s how you know...and why this is even more inexcusable) somehow is taken as an affront to someone’s vacation countdown or their annual pass renewal?

I’ll never get it.

But I can predict the future:
So here how it’s gonna play: movie will get two big weekends...probably $500 domestic and $1 bil or so worldwide...and then it will limp off the stage rather quickly. No legs.

So the hateful pro-all things Disney faction is gonna start the pseudo-patronizing “gee...it only made a billion...sorry, 5 angry fan boys”

Mark that down...it’s gonna happen.

it is going to have a major 2nd weekend drop. it already bombed badly in china more than solo did.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Yeah...I think that’s a bridge too far. The “force from nothing” rips at the fundamental story from 1977...

Rian Johnson could have watched any of lucas’s 38 commemorative box sets to see that.

If you don’t Rian Johnson didn’t do his research, you’re largely mistaken.

I honestly don’t think he did. He’s not a good director and proved to be an awful writer on that movie.

He’s an excellent director.

Brick, Looper, and Knives Out are all outstanding films, particularly the last one. All of which he wrote.

God forbid he try to take SW fans out of their comfort zone instead of giving them what they think they want.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Rey could’ve come from humble beginnings and be a great Jedi and no one would’ve batted an eye. The Prequels already showed a few Jedi that rose to greatness with seemingly no special lineage. The problem arises when she can basically do everything right out of the gate of finding out she’s Force sensitive that all other Jedi had to train for. Pretty much the only explanation for this had to be something special about her or else it would make absolutely no sense to the overall story. I do agree with you that Rey Palpatine is extremely freaking stupid though.

I think Rey being a great at everything is largely Abrams’s fault. He wrote her an an expert at flying, being a Jedi, navigating l, everything.

TLJ showed how alone she is. It showed her struggling to maintain her poise when training with Luke. It showed she had no clue what the Force was. It actually made her a flawed character.

Abrams ignores this in TROS, and now she can force heal and transport physical items from point A to B, with no explanation as to why. That’s ridiculous.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Gonna say it: Having a FORCE healing power is the stupdiest deus ex machina ever. I didn't like when I saw it in the last episode of the Mandalorian and I LOVE THAT SHOW and I DON'T LIKE IT HERE! No one in the prequels or OT ever used/had that power. Boy should would have come in handy when QUI-GON was dying with a lightsaber hole through his torso. Bet Anakin would have like to used it when he was on mustafar being BBQ'd. Bet Palpy wished it was around after Mace Windu deflected his force lighting back at him and disfigured his face. Bet Luke wish Yoda would have taught it to him so he could grow a new hand back. If only Yoda and Obi could have used it save Padme in child birth. But Mary Sue and Kylo Stupid can use a power no one has ever had before to stop death. So no one can die now . Rey should bring back Leia since she has this power now. death is no longer a problem in the star wars universe due to this stupid idea. JJ is a hack. He had 'KHAN'S MAGIC BLOOD" IN "INTO DARKNESS" to cure death and here he introduces "force healing" a power not even Yoda or Palpatine had. Funny how Kylo could suddenly use it in this movie but he can't use it when fighting Rey in FORCE AWAKENS after Chewie shot him with the bowcaster.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Probably been covered but here’s all my questions:

1. How did Palpatine come back to life?
2. Did he create Rey like Anakin was born and her parents were just random people who had her?
3. Where did the yellow sabre come from?

I did enjoy the movie but what I didn’t like was millions of ships ready to fight the Last order and it doesn’t actually happen? I was expecting the battle of all battles. Rogue one still has the best space battle

The writer of this wrote PIRATES 3 where you had all these pirate ships for a big battle and only the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchmen duke it out, what were you expecting from him?

 

[Mike S]

I think Rey being a great at everything is largely Abrams’s fault. He wrote her an an expert at flying, being a Jedi, navigating l, everything.

TLJ showed how alone she is. It showed her struggling to maintain her poise when training with Luke. It showed she had no clue what the Force was. It actually made her a flawed character.

Abrams ignores this in TROS, and now she can force heal and transport physical items from point A to B, with no explanation as to why. That’s ridiculous.

“Force Diad” or some crap. Thanks Jar Jar Abrams. He really did take it too far.

All we knew Luke was good at in ANH was flying and shooting which was all we needed to know he could probably have a chance at making that trench run on the Death Star. Using the Force only gave him an extra nudge in what we already knew he could do. Everything else about the Force and being a Jedi he was completely clueless about as we saw in ESB. Jar Jar loves his mystery boxes though and I bet he thought the strangely powerful Rey was such a good one. TLJ isn’t completely innocent though with the infamous “lifting rocks” scene.

Gonna say it: Having a FORCE healing power is the stupdiest deus ex machina ever. I didn't like when I saw it in the last episode of the Mandalorian and I LOVE THAT SHOW and I DON'T LIKE IT HERE! No one in the prequels or OT ever used/had that power. Boy should would have come in handy when QUI-GON was dying with a lightsaber hole through his torso. Bet Anakin would have like to used it when he was on mustafar being BBQ'd. Bet Palpy wished it was around after Mace Windu deflected his force lighting back at him and disfigured his face. Bet Luke wish Yoda would have taught it to him so he could grow a new hand back. If only Yoda and Obi could have used it save Padme in child birth. But Mary Sue and Kylo Stupid can use a power no one has ever had before to stop death. So no one can die now . Rey should bring back Leia since she has this power now. death is no longer a problem in the star wars universe due to this stupid idea. JJ is a hack. He had 'KHAN'S MAGIC BLOOD" IN "INTO DARKNESS" to cure death and here he introduces "force healing" a power not even Yoda or Palpatine had. Funny how Kylo could suddenly use it in this movie but he can't use it when fighting Rey in FORCE AWAKENS after Chewie shot him with the bowcaster.

It has been seen in video games but that’s likely because they’re video games. Need to have a healing mechanic. It is a bit of a smudge but I can forgive it as The Mandalorian is otherwise great. It’s also fairly obvious this was likely forced on them, pun intended.

The writer of this wrote PIRATES 3 where you had all these pirate ships for a big battle and only the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchmen duke it out, what were you expecting from him?

At least for me that movie is still enjoyable unlike the dreck I sat through last night.

There was definitely a different plan to wrap up this trilogy. Shortly after TFAs release, there was an interview with Andy Serkis surrounding who Supreme Leader Snoke is and where he came from. While Andy couldn't reveal too much detail, he did mention the character has been through quite a lot, is ancient, and knows of the events of Ep. 4-6. There was no indication that he was just some puppet built by Palpatine.

I was so ready for Snoke to be the new villain. He seemed very interesting and then just... dead. Then he was also just a puppet and while that was explained we now also have no idea how the hell Palpatine was still alive which is a pretty freaking important detail to just skip over.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Also, also it makes nooooo sense for Han to be back. Only time we see the dead come back is if they are a Force Ghost. Han does not use the force at all. Before you go " he is a memory that kylo manifested using the force" I CALL BULL CRAP on that because Han didn't have facial hair in FORCE AWAKENS which would be Kylo's last memory of him, so why would his memory suddenly grow facial hair. "Well uh Ford was too lazy to shave". you are paying him to be in the film, make him shave. not a valid excuse. it makes no sense logic wise or story wise. THE ACTUAL REASON IT IS IN THE MOVIE is JJ tried to copy ENDGAME and tried to duplicate another one of its scenes. IN INFINITY WAR we get the see where Thanos kills Gamora. THEN in ENDGAME we get the scene where Black Widow and Hawkeye fight over who is going to kill themselves to get the stone because they love each other so much they dont want the other to do it. a reverse of the thanos scene. JJ wanted that emotional reverse scene. so he had Han come back for no reason to do a reverse of the FORCE AWAKENS bridge scene between Han and Kylo so he could try to get a emotional scene in the movie even though it makes no freaking sense. Han even touches Kylo as if he is there. he is not even see through if he was a regular ghost which is not even a thing in star wars. JJ is a hack.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

“Force Diad” or some crap. Thanks Jar Jar Abrams. He really did take it too far.

All we knew Luke was good at in ANH was flying and shooting which was all we needed to know he could probably have a chance at making that trench run on the Death Star. Using the Force only gave him an extra nudge in what we already knew he could do. Everything else about the Force and being a Jedi he was completely clueless about as we saw in ESB. Jar Jar loves his mystery boxes though and I bet he thought the strangely powerful Rey was such a good one. TLJ isn’t completely innocent though with the infamous “lifting rocks” scene.

It has been seen in video games but that’s likely because they’re video games. Need to have a healing mechanic. It is a bit of a smudge but I can forgive it as The Mandalorian is otherwise great. It’s also fairly obvious this was likely forced on them, pun intended.

At least for me that movie is still enjoyable unlike the dreck I sat through last night.

I was so ready for Snoke to be the new villain. He seemed very interesting and then just... dead. Then he was also just a puppet and while that was explained we now also have no idea how the hell Palpatine was still alive which is a pretty freaking important detail to just skip over.

I don't care about video games. only the movies matter and its stupid. no forgiveness for me for having it in this movie and the mandalorian. and there are parts of pirates 3 i like but the movie as a whole stinks and is overly convoluted with people going from place to place and getting exposition dumps. like this movie that has the same writer as Pirates 3. he can't seem to handle trilogy conlcussions very well and goes back to his well too many times.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Anakin lost his limbs. Can't force heal that. Rey wasn't next to Luke when he died so can't heal him either.

Bunch of bull crap that excuse is. in mandlorian the dude's arm is cut to hell and baby yoda fixed it no problem. made skin grow back and all. so if this power can bring back the dead it certainly could regrow limbs. the fact they use this force healing power is beyond stupid to begin with but saying its strong to bring back the dead and heal wounds but not grow back limbs is even more stupid.