Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@Tony Perkis

He showed little to any understanding of why people loved Star Wars...

And those movies don’t translate to this type of movie...he clearly couldn’t handle it. Stick to EMO stuff

And nobody wanted to be taken out of their Star Wars comfort zone!! Do you not understand what’s a cultural phenomenon is?

People like the Jedi...and the force...and the rebellion...and the empire...and the heroes.

If Mickey Mouse started acting like Bart Simpson to “subvert expectations”...how’d that go over?

Apparently Disney didn’t want it either...they brought in the master of remakes and took it all back. I’ll remind you that Disney is VERY good at data. Nobody is better - in fact.

They obviously saw what some of us saw when we saw that piece of trash...it wasn’t working short or long term.

I’ll say it again: Star Wars was the quintessential 20th century “NATO” franchise...its strength lay in that type of story/hero.

Disney did not do their research and find out why it worked and how to replicate it.

It wasn’t storm trooper jokes and bad guys in masks...that was the window dressing. Strong characters developed and a believable conflict.

They paid a lot of people to be clueless since 2012

 

[Mike S]

Also, also it makes nooooo sense for Han to be back. Only time we see the dead come back is if they are a Force Ghost. Han does not use the force at all. Before you go " he is a memory that kylo manifested using the force" I CALL BULL CRAP on that because Han didn't have facial hair in FORCE AWAKENS which would be Kylo's last memory of him, so why would his memory suddenly grow facial hair. "Well uh Ford was too lazy to shave". you are paying him to be in the film, make him shave. not a valid excuse. it makes no sense logic wise or story wise. THE ACTUAL REASON IT IS IN THE MOVIE is JJ tried to copy ENDGAME and tried to duplicate another one of its scenes. IN INFINITY WAR we get the see where Thanos kills Gamora. THEN in ENDGAME we get the scene where Black Widow and Hawkeye fight over who is going to kill themselves to get the stone because they love each other so much they dont want the other to do it. a reverse of the thanos scene. JJ wanted that emotional reverse scene. so he had Han come back for no reason to do a reverse of the FORCE AWAKENS bridge scene between Han and Kylo so he could try to get a emotional scene in the movie even though it makes no freaking sense. Han even touches Kylo as if he is there. he is not even see through if he was a regular ghost which is not even a thing in star wars. JJ is a hack.

I don’t think that scene was a ripoff of an Avengers scene like the blatant one I pointed out earlier. It was just Jar Jar’s sad attempt at pulling the heart strings. The Force Ghost of Anakin Skywalker should’ve appeared to his grandson to give him wisdom in his time of need.

I don't care about video games. only the movies matter and its stupid. no forgiveness for me for having it in this movie and the mandalorian. and there are parts of pirates 3 i like but the movie as a whole stinks and is overly convoluted with people going from place to place and getting exposition dumps. like this movie that has the same writer as Pirates 3. he can't seem to handle trilogy conlcussions very well and goes back to his well too many times.

I wasn’t really making an excuse for it. I also said it was likely only there so the game had a way to let you gain health back and probably not meant to ever be used outside of the context of a video game.

Bunch of bull crap that excuse is. in mandlorian the dude's arm is cut to hell and baby yoda fixed it no problem. made skin grow back and all. so if this power can bring back the dead it certainly could regrow limbs. the fact they use this force healing power is beyond stupid to begin with but saying its strong to bring back the dead and heal wounds but not grow back limbs is even more stupid.

Maybe not regrow limbs but it could’ve definitely healed those burns and fixed his lungs so he wouldn’t need the suit.

Then again, it’s canon that Palpatine put him in the suit on purpose so that it would fuel Vader’s pain and anger so he’d be even stronger in the Dark Side.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Bunch of bull crap that excuse is. in mandlorian the dude's arm is cut to hell and baby yoda fixed it no problem. made skin grow back and all. so if this power can bring back the dead it certainly could regrow limbs. the fact they use this force healing power is beyond stupid to begin with but saying its strong to bring back the dead and heal wounds but not grow back limbs is even more stupid.

We’ve Already entered the phase of “obvious excuses for huge plot holes”

Seems to be a thing with Star Wars for the last 20+ years

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I don’t think that scene was a ripoff of an Avengers scene like the blatant one I pointed out earlier. It was just Jar Jar’s sad attempt at pulling the heart strings. The Force Ghost of Anakin Skywalker should’ve appeared to his grandson to give him wisdom in his time of need.

I wasn’t really making an excuse for it. I also said it was likely only there so the game had a way to let you gain health back and probably not meant to ever be used outside of the context of a video game.

Maybe not regrow limbs but it could’ve definitely healed those burns and fixed his lungs so he wouldn’t need the suit.

Then again, it’s canon that Palpatine put him in the suit on purpose so that it would fuel Vader’s pain and anger so he’d be even stronger in the Dark Side.

No that is not canon that is wookiepedia fan fiction. its obvious he put him in the suit to save his life or he would have clearly died.

 

[Mike S]

No that is not canon that is wookiepedia fan fiction. its obvious he put him in the suit to save his life or he would have clearly died.

I’m pretty sure it’s in the comics that are considered canon.

 

[Tony Perkis]

He showed little to any understanding or why people loved Star Wars...

And those movies don’t translate to this type of movie...he clearly couldn’t handle it. Stick to EMO stuff

Understand that I don’t care about why people like Star Wars. I love Star Wars, but I equally love when a film gives me something I didn’t think I wanted to see. Which is TLJ in my eyes.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I’m pretty sure it’s in the comics that are considered canon.

fan fiction. in the film palpy is releaved he is still alive and tells the clone troopers to get a medical capsule immediatley so they can save him. then he walks to anakin and puts his hand on him in mourning.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Only what’s explained on film matters with Star Wars.

It’s a mass audience that has to be served.

Again...Disney didnt understand. Write the story out first...rewrite it till it makes sense...again and again if you have too.

Screw release schedules. Get it right...they have already cost themselves billions by boning these stories and it will cost them 10s of billions more.

Can’t miss on Star Wars. Nothing else matters.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

it is going to have a major 2nd weekend drop. it already bombed badly in china more than solo did.

I saw that and posted it in the other Star Wars thread...

Very soft in Western Europe so far.

The analysts were predicting a $450 worldwide weekend two days ago...

That’s mathematically impossible...it’s not pulling in enough of an audience when the diehard fanatics are out in force...

I think they made a mistake releasing this on 12/19...everyone’s busy and they won’t take time if the Buzz wasn’t universally good.

It’s not close.

Should released last week...no good reason unless it was to bleed frozen one more week?

 

[Mike S]

The Mandalorian Actor Jake Cannavale Trashes Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

While there have been a lot of criticisms of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, most of the [...]

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Guessing the only reason he can talk is because his contract was obviously just for the one episode but daaaaaaaaaaamn

This is definitely becoming the polar opposite of TLJ.
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I really don’t understand it. On different sites like meta critic it’s the same on both sides.

 

[BrianLo]

People want the OT because it's what they remember as GOOD, while the new has NOT been. No one is running around going 'man, the mandalorian would be so much better if it was bobba fett...'. People are hating on the new characters because they didn't work for them..

Maybe so. But people also asked for a Pod Racer ride preferentially and those movies objectively weren’t good.

Overlaying RoTR just sounds like a waste of time and resources.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just looked, and wow, this is definitely becoming the polar opposite of TLJ.
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That doesn’t predict box office and we’re now in that phase: the watching zone.

Really, the future of Star Wars May be in the next 7 days...that’s what happened when you make a series of mistakes and get to “survival” mode.

Star Wars is in survival mode...it’s now a streaming franchise with 1 episode remaining of the mandalorian...

Like Star Trek. Maybe less impactful for the next year or so?


I’ll leave you with this...it’s amusing

The Mandalorian Actor Jake Cannavale Trashes Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

While there have been a lot of criticisms of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, most of the [...]

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe so. But people also asked for a Pod Racer ride preferentially and those movies objectively weren’t good.

Overlaying RoTR just sounds like a waste of time and resources.

Realistically...it’s never gonna happen...

But people are not gonna be buying Kylo ten and Rey merch...they’re not gonna buy “premium experiences”

There’s a cloud over Star Wars that will filter down to the parks...my hunch.

 

[BrianLo]

Realistically...it’s never gonna happen...

But people are not gonna be buying Kylo ten and Rey merch...they’re not gonna buy “premium experiences”

There’s a cloud over Star Wars that will filter down to the parks...my hunch.

I’m actually not overly worried. There are enough well received elements this year to overcome the trilogy negativity.

The movies need to take a break, I think we can all agree. But RoTR response is good, Mando has been great (and would be moving merch if they weren’t caught so unprepared) and the Fallen Order video game was also well received.

The real low point felt like Solo.

 

[Mike S]

Realistically...it’s never gonna happen...

But people are not gonna be buying Kylo ten and Rey merch...they’re not gonna buy “premium experiences”

There’s a cloud over Star Wars that will filter down to the parks...my hunch.

If this movie disappoints financially I could see the Bobs pulling the trigger on it and adding more things from all eras across the land as a move to make the land more “timeless.” Easier than actually building a new ride and the Falcon could receive even easier changes like Star Tours does.

 

[TROR]

This movie has the same energy as The Phantom Menace and that's what makes it so good.

 

[Tony Perkis]

This is definitely becoming the polar opposite of TLJ.
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This film is going to have a bad legacy, audience reviews notwithstanding.

 

[Tony Perkis]

This movie has the same energy as The Phantom Menace and that's what makes it so good.

Is this serious?

 

[TROR]

Is this serious?

I may have gone too far in a few places.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Random thoughts after just getting back:

Going to have to take time to properly "rank" it but oh my god they pulled SO much ridiculous BS out of thin air.

The Emperor stuff was totally unexplained and stupid, felt unnecessary. Why is the Emperor suddenly alive and what's more can summon thousands upon thousands of "ghost" Star Destroyers? And then why did the Resistance suddenly get a bazillion reinforcements out of nowhere to beat all of them?

There were just so many instances of them wishing plot resolutions into existence. It feels like they had no idea how to end things so they just gave up.

They really the bed with this trilogy. They had no idea where it was going or where it should go.

Three things that genuinely surprised me:
- Hux being a double agent
- Han showing up again
- The Anakin/Vader ghost rumor not being real (I had heard that for years so assumed it was true)

One of the biggest fundamental problems with this trilogy was they never spent the time effort to effectively world build. After three movies the actual balance of power in the galaxy is still extremely unclear. Why is the First Order so powerful? Aren't they supposed to be the rebels? Why does the New Republic not have an official army? Why are the good guys still rebels even though they're technically in power? Doesn't make any sense beyond just that they couldn't imagine Star Wars without "good guys = rebels, bad guys = empire"